HazySaiyan
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Well you can't rely on experts!
There's a reason the Kremlin finances Eurosceptic movements, and pushes propaganda supporting their agenda. It's strongly in Russia's strategic interest to sow division in Europe.
What kind of clauses?
As another Swede it would be interesting to know how a SWEXIT vote would go even if I see it as pretty unlikely at the moment. If the European project falls apart though it's their own damn fault with how aggressively they pushed the whole United states of Europe thing for years despite how unpopular it was. I don't think anyone dislike the economical aspect/trade of the EU or travelling without passport. It's just they still want to remain independent nations with the right to self-rule and EU at times acted like a bully when it comes to that.
People don't like having their own parliaments are irrelevant and if they vote for something the EU don't like it will just be challenged in a EU court. The last Swedish government for example pushed for limited wolf hunting and every year we would have headlines about how the EU disliked it and tried to push them to reverse their decisions.
A lot of european citizens don't want to be ruled from Brussels.
RoadHazard
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These days even the relatively poor can get information if they really want it, no? Or maybe it's not that simple. But it just doesn't seem rational to let EVERYONE, even those who don't know a fucking thing about what they're voting for, be part of making massively important decisions like this. Like all the people who voted Leave ONLY because they're anti-immigration and don't give a single fuck (nor know anything) about any of the other consequences this will have.
Or pencils. This referendum really has brought out the tinfoil hat brigade
I refuse to believe anybody with the IQ of that above a fucking cabbage is still using the 350m number to justify why they voted to leave.
What on earth have you and people like you done?
jacob armitage
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I was born in England though i haven't lived there in 14 years. So disappointed with this.
MrS
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Can you point me in the direction of some evidence for these claims?
Also, bring on the memes!
Nobody gives a fuck about him, but he's right that Labour have completely lost their appeal to people in the centre. Post-Miliband the way to compete with Cameron was to move to the centre, not further to the left.
RedSparrows
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BBC - centrist, accused by everybody of being biased the 'other way', take that as you will
Guardian - left liberal
Telegraph - old man right wing
I would say Times over Telegraph, but it's paywalled.
This began in the '80s when Rupert Murdoch's empire started backing specific parties and spouting propaganda about them.
Literally every vote since Thatcher got power has been won/lost by Rupert Murdoch + team, not any electorate
You know that there are other countries outside the European union that are perfectly fine right???
The_Hitcher89
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BBC reporters have their biases I guess, but the corporation is duty-bound to report things like this impartially. Gonna be plenty of fact and opinion pieces in the fallout from this.
sankt-Antonio
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That's why I said somewhat. If Brits prosper financially now other countries may leave by poplar vote too. Opening the gates to EU crumbling. People forget that 20yeas ago wars where still happening in Europe. Peace is worth more then the hardship of Brits more or less.
BBC.com is legally bound to be "unbiased."
Red Arremer
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Chû Totoro;208206118 said:
I think the governments of NI, Scotland and Gibraltar are going to be under a lot of pressure, and likely will try to reach out to the EU in order to possibly negotiate an entry into the EU should they leave the UK.
If these negotiations are successful - and it's in the EU's best interest that they are - I definitely can see these 3 territories achieve independence, and in NI's case, potentially unify with Ireland.
RedSparrows
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http://imrussia.org/en/analysis/world/2500-putinism-and-the-european-far-right for starters. Anti-Putin think-tank, but I hardly think that's a bad thing.
Yeah, but they didn't just transition from one paradigm to an unknown other.
THAT'S. THE. WHOLE. POINT.
Kill Your Masters
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"Lets just fuck shit up for teh lulz" - Brexiters in a nutshell
Endorphineforeverybody
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Just woke up; first reaction Nooooo
This will cost us a lot of money, wth
Should have bought some gold before...
This will cost us a lot of money, wth
Should have bought some gold before...
TheLegendOfMart
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Yeah I'm sure people who lose their jobs, homes, savings, health service, will agree with you.
Flintty
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I was aware that they see themselves as their own entity but always thought it was a non-starter politically. Will be interesting to see what happens there.
Led_Zeppelin
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Great news! I bet on the market going crazy if Brexit won, sad to hear that this will cause suffering for people but that is how capitalism works yo! I also talk with family in the UK and they voted leave so glad that they got what they wanted even if the road ahead is uncertain. In the meantime time to buy the dip or just wait out for more panic, gotta love this kind of markets.
HazySaiyan
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MI5 are fucking useless, they can't even rig a referendum!
Gurgelhals
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As a foreigner with a great interest in British politics I tend to stick to The Guardian and the BBC. The former is left-leaning but not hard left and usually presents a pretty diverse set of views. The BBC is bound the remain politically neutral in its reporting.
How can you expect young people to care about politics these days? It breaks my heart.
- Betrayed by the Lib Dems in 2010
- Failed by Labour in 2015
- Forced to bear Tory austerity
- Increased tuition fees
- Lack of job opportunities
- Vote overwhelimgly to remain and are dragged out of the EU...
...it just goes on.
- Betrayed by the Lib Dems in 2010
- Failed by Labour in 2015
- Forced to bear Tory austerity
- Increased tuition fees
- Lack of job opportunities
- Vote overwhelimgly to remain and are dragged out of the EU...
...it just goes on.
They really are the Donald Trump fans across the Atlantic.
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I do wonder if we would have remained under a credible Labour leadership.
Frankfurter
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This is terrible...
hobblygobbly
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You think that losing insured economic co-dependence on the European continent is going "back to normal"? It wasn't normal. It won't be normal if the EU disintegrates.
Yes, absolutely. This will debated for years, though.
Shouldnt that make them care much more? If everything would be going smoothly, then there wouldnt be any reason to care about politics.
Nice to hear you're liking it. Always much easier to drop empathy if you don't have to be on the receiving end of something.
Disgusting as is anybody wanting that man in power.
Dirtyshubb
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I think the most frustrating part of all this is that is a clear example of how illogical most people are.
There are things that the people can be angry about, yet time and time again the majority of people fall for bullshit propaganda and end up voting against their self-interest.
A large swath of leave voters no doubt voted on the ideas that we will have more money for the NHS and to reduce immigration and to 'gain back control', yet less than an hour after the results those first 2 ideas have already been backtracked on and this magical control we apparently didnt have will end up meaning less rights and opportunities for the common person.
And once it becomes clear for them that what they wanted is never coming, who are they going to blame? It won't be the leave campaigners or the EU, it will most likely be the group that are fighting to solve these issues. Seems to happen every fucking time, believe the bullshit and not able to see the forest for the trees.
There are things that the people can be angry about, yet time and time again the majority of people fall for bullshit propaganda and end up voting against their self-interest.
A large swath of leave voters no doubt voted on the ideas that we will have more money for the NHS and to reduce immigration and to 'gain back control', yet less than an hour after the results those first 2 ideas have already been backtracked on and this magical control we apparently didnt have will end up meaning less rights and opportunities for the common person.
And once it becomes clear for them that what they wanted is never coming, who are they going to blame? It won't be the leave campaigners or the EU, it will most likely be the group that are fighting to solve these issues. Seems to happen every fucking time, believe the bullshit and not able to see the forest for the trees.
geordiemp
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You reckon ? You think Germany who now has to fund the rest of Europe will want to pay UK import duty for their massive exports to the UK.
I think EU is sweating more than us, and their markets are down more.
Insured what - Eu is an economic wreck - Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy.
Most EU markets dropped 2 % more than UK. Eu was always going to fall apart - Germany UK and France getting tired of funding everything as if its our duty, and when we ask EU for some measures they say fuck off.
I cant believe people are surprised.
EmpressInYellow
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I still don't get how people can look at actual fascists cheering this vote and think, "Yeah, this seems like a good outcome."
It's like a Mitchell and Webb sketch come to life.
It's like a Mitchell and Webb sketch come to life.
Orniletter
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It has been the single most vital tool to get an entire continent that has been at war with each other for centuries to fucking finally settle down.
We gained the power to impose draconian sanctions against a threatening Russia, have some bargaining power against gigantic nations that eclipse our GDP several times.
This doesn't even get into how much of a boost to culture and travel the EU brought to the table on top of the exporting nations benefiting from the weaker Euro.
You fucking don't get to call the EU a mess.
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