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[RedSparrows]

So does mean immigration is no longer an issue?

Nope. It'll make it an even bigger one. Good luck reducing immigration and keeping the standard of living. Good luck fixing the capitalist system one deprived Lincolnshire town at a time.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...his-victory-for-the-exit-fantasists-zzfpxsc66

 

[geordiemp]

But that's not really true, is it, otherwise you wouldn't have 9 out of 10 economists in agreement that Brexit will be bad for the UK's future economic prospects.

Nobody can predict the future, most people asked had a stake in Leave or remain anyway.

Everybody making a prediction had something to gain or loose themselves....way of the world.

Even IMF and the like want Britain to keep the 3rd leg on the wobbly EU table, can France and Germany really keep the rest of EU afloat ? And more to the point, should they have to.

Its time for free trade and countries to stand on their own to feet. Butter mountains should be things of the past.

 

[Auctopus]

So does mean immigration is no longer an issue?

Yeah, it's solved.

They were interviewing immigrants in Calais this morning...

"Oh, you're not in the EU anymore? Our mistake, we'll go somewhere else."

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

*looks at responses*
Nope I'm still laughing, what else can you do?

 

[D4Danger]

lol at all the shitting on older people as if they're all dumb and don't know anything

They're definitely not dumb.

 

[chadskin]

As expected:

Hearing suggestions in Brussels the EU cd regard the referendum itself as the request to leave, triggering Article 50 over heads of Br Govt

https://twitter.com/jamesmatesitv/status/746303149934317568

 

[ExtremePopcorn]

So does mean immigration is no longer an issue?

Yup, just how racism was solved in America when Obama was elected.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

People will only start to get angry and protest in England when their house prices and pensions plummet.

 

[FyreWulff]

That seems like it would bias the vote towards 'remain', right? Neither side winning would be a 'remain' win.

yes, but votes like this, you'd usually prefer a convincing win rather than putting your country's future in the hands of the small swing vote much like we do with amendments over here.

 

[Arnie7]

At least we getting dank memes out of it. Right? RIGHT?

 

[SuperSah]

she actually said "should be" lol

I'm sure you can tell I purposely exaggerated my post.

 

[Tethur]

Wow, did not see this coming. So, what next?

1 - Multinationals will backtrack for their threats to leave and announce their negotiations
2 - UK will manage to negotiate essentially equal deals directly
3 - Stock and property market will be turbulent for a while
4 - EU will be under even more pressure, federalisation is done for now
5 - In the end, both UK and world economy will be fine

Those are my bets.

Agree with 3, 4, 5

1 Some will leave, In the next two years a lot of jobs will be moved abroad, most will not publicize it.
2 In the end leaving will not be the catastrophic but it is going to hurt. While they won't jeopardise trade with Britain the EU will play it pretty hard in the end, even if it hurts their own wallets (Politics beats math)

 

[Dangerblade]

Cornwall voted 57-43 to leave

Fucking hell. Not helping the stereotype of them being simple folk.

 

[RedSparrows]

Nobody can predict the future, most people asked had a stake in Leave or remain anyway.

Even IMF and the like want Britain to keep the 3rd leg on the wobbly EU table, can France and Germany really keep the rest of EU afloat ? And more to the point, should they have to.

Its time for free trade and countries to stand on their own to feet. Butter mountains should be things of the past.

It's kinda hard to an economist to not have a 'stake in Remain' (or Leave) because their expertise dictates their response. Most said this would be a terrible idea.

As for 'free trade', wait wut

 

[Carn82]

If this is so bad for everyone, why the fuck did people vote like this?

'national' referendums are often a complete mess. They often cover topics that are much too complex for the average joe; so you end up having a lot of misinformed voters.

 

[StayDead]

If this is so bad for everyone, why the fuck did people vote like this?

The uneducated, poor, and old who didn't really understand the outcome and how this would effect us voted to leave. You also have reports of people voting leave thinking it wouldn't matter. Complete morons. Anecdotally I know this to be true. In my work (which is about 20 people), one person voted to leave and she admitted she didn't fully understand the gravity and voted to stop immigration.

 

[Lime]

lol at all the shitting on older people as if they're all dumb and don't know anything

I'd be shitting on anyone regardless of age if they actually voted for what Donald Trump, Marie Le Pen, Gert Wilders, and Farage think are the best course of action.

 

[Majukun]

Posted?

https://twitter.com/TheCryptarch/status/746298857903001600

ok,this got me.

 

[kharma45]

As expected:

https://twitter.com/jamesmatesitv/status/746303149934317568

They might need to look again at the Lisbon Treaty, as they're very much wrong.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

If this is so bad for everyone, why the fuck did people vote like this?

The U.K. equivalent of Trump voters

 

[jellies_two]

Show me any proof that Uk isn't payer netto to EU if it's so easy to demonstrate it's not true.

Online in various fact check sites it says uk gets back about half its fees in rebates so strictly money wise (not intangibles) it's a nett payer and it's a lot of money too.

 

[boswell22]

People who refused to learn about the UN and the EU during History class. They disrupted other students learning and talked back to teachers.

We gave those people a vote on this.

Here, here...

Only the educated can vote.......

People want democracy until they are the minority.

 

[Fakeknowledge]

Cornwall voted 57-43 to leave

Hope they get dry fucked tbh. Backward cunts.

 

[SirRattleBalls]

Posted?

https://twitter.com/TheCryptarch/status/746298857903001600

 

[Moobabe]

Look at Cornwall. Those are the kind of people who voted.

Bingo.

 

[D4Danger]

People will only start to get angry and protest in England when their house prices and pensions plummet.

last time that happened we magically found the money to fix it. funny that.

 

[Led_Zeppelin]

probably because this thread (and social media at large) are young(er) and liberal and there's way more uncertainty about 10 years from now than 10 minutes.

look at the stats. "Fuck you, got mine" won.

My main problem with the arguments is the lack of understanding of how the financial markets and exchange market works. Anyone that expected Britain to leave expected something like this happening, it was not out of the realm of possibilities it was just tied down to the result of the referendum and the reading of the market movements of the last few weeks.

I wonder what they will say once the pound bounces back to 1.4 or over or the stock markets gets on another buying rally.

 

[FATALITY]

I'm sure you can tell I purposely exaggerated my post.

oh okay.
but that doesnt change the fact that shes pretty ignorant

 

[RBH]

 

[*Splinter]

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I'm confused on your position here. They voted Leave and want things to improve, didn't you do the same?

 

[Vagabundo]

I'd say the majority of people voting out were votes based on emotion, fuelled by racism.

The ironic thing is it won't suddenly make the UK "white". Skin colour alone has no relevance on whether somone is English. The same way you don't have to be white to be American.

Many of the immigrants that originally came to the UK years ago have several generations in the country, many of which are technically British. This won't effect those people.

I'll wonder how funny they find their vote when the Jeremy Kyle special guests get their JSA reduced.

But it's ok because all the jobs the coloured people took will be free.....So maybe they can find work now.

Ironically many came during the good old imperial days from the empire itself.

 

[SKINNER!]

At least we getting dank memes out of it. Right? RIGHT?

UK Memes are the most cringiest worst kinda memes. C'mon man.

 

[Moobabe]

last time that happened we magically borrowed the money to fix it. funny that.

Fixed

 

[SomTervo]

If this is so bad for everyone, why the fuck did people vote like this?

Several-fold reasons

1. It's human nature to focus on outlier/minority cases. It's literally how the brain works. You need to be taught not to think 'the one in the million is likely to happen to me'. It's a survival mechanism, to keep you worrying about the worst-case scenario so you avoid it.

So the narrative 'immigrants are stealing our jobs' is easy to believe in because they are the 'deadly minority case', even though the numbers say otherwise. Same with how much money we lose to the EU. Same with how much legislative control we lose to the EU. Out loud it sounds substantial but on paper, on the figures, it's really not.

2. News Corp (Rupert Murdoch's news empire: Sky, The Sun, the Daily Mail (think I meant the Record), etc) have unfathomably huge sway on voting outcomes. Their support has literally dictated who wins or loses any vote for the past 30-35 years, 1:1. They come out with support for a party/figure/outcome, and that party/figure/outcome will win, because they have such a wide readership. One time The Sun even ran a headline 'it was The Sun wot won it' when they span/swayed a whole election.

3. Focus on a particular 'language', and do so forcefully enough, and you will capture people's minds, with or without reason and logic. So combine factors #1 and #2 above and basically you have a massive ubiquitous campaign PR that played to people's fringe fears and forcefully rammed the false logic down their throats

Plus many, many more.

lol at all the shitting on older people as if they're all dumb and don't know anything

The argument is meant to be that they don't have to live with their decision. I'm 26 and when I'm 60 I'll still be living with the ramifications of this after they're long gone.

 

[Lime]

People will only start to get angry and protest in England when their house prices and pensions plummet.

And the media and government will blame the brown/eastern-european people

Protests won't happen if the anger can be direct at some easy scapegoat narrative.

Or you can just start a war - that worked for Thatcher.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

English banks down 20%+ currently

 

[Magic Mushroom]

I'd be shitting on anyone regardless of age if they actually voted for what Donald Trump, Marie Le Pen, Gert Wilders, and Farage think are the best course of action.

Aye. The fact that I share a country with Geert Widlers disgusts me, the fact that I live in a country where he's the most popular politician frightens me.

 

[31GhostsIV]

Everything is burning and I'm loving it.
From the Uk

Careful where you point that edge.

 

[AxelFoley]

If this is so bad for everyone, why the fuck did people vote like this?

Good question.

 

[DrMungo]

All of this because Cameron gambled and lost.
Cameron gambled with the future of an entire nation and lost.

Think about that for a second.

reading too much kipling
"If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:"

 

[twobear]

Nobody can predict the future, most people asked had a stake in Leave or remain anyway.

Even IMF and the like want Britain to keep the 3rd leg on the wobbly EU table, can France and Germany really keep the rest of EU afloat ? And more to the point, should they have to.

Its time for free trade and countries to stand on their own to feet. Butter mountains should be things of the past.

Nobody can predict the future with perfect accuracy, but in general I prefer to listen to people who are experts in relevant fields when making decisions, rather than ignoring them and crossing my fingers. 9 out of 10 economists in agreement is an almost unprecedented level.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

last time that happened we magically found the money to fix it. funny that.

I'm such a generous forward thinking person oh wait my house price dropped instead of rising every year. Burn the poor, kill all the foreigners.

 

[SuperSah]

oh okay.
but that doesnt change the fact that shes pretty ignorant

Yeah, I guess so.

She literally straight up defended being lied to.

 

[boswell22]

I simply cannot fathom the bigotry in this thread. People looking down on others who they deem less worthy of a vote. This democracy we hold so highly is wonderful.

 

[TyrantII]

If this is so bad for everyone, why the fuck did people vote like this?

Propaganda. Tribalism. Fear.

Right wing parties that pushed inequitable globalization that screwed the middle class have rebranded themselves to insure no accountability for stealing all that wealth. They're going after the textbook "other", "Dem brown people and eastern euros took ur jerbs!".

And it works. Because people don't want to stop rooting for their team, they don't understand economics or globalization, and they have deep seated fear and mistrust being manipulated by the very architects that structured globalization thus way.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Destroy the economy because you hate polish people.

Fucking hell.

 

[RedSparrows]

Several-fold reasons

1. It's human nature to focus on outlier/minority cases. It's literally how the brain works. You need to be taught not to think 'the one in the million is likely to happen to me'.

So the narrative 'immigrants are stealing our jobs' is easy to believe in because they are the 'dearly minority', even though the numbers say otherwise. Same with how much money we lose to the EU. Same with how much legislative control we lose to the EU. Out loud it sounds substantial but on paper, on the figures, it's really not.

2. News Corp (Rupert Murdoch's news empire: Sky, The Sun, the Daily Mail, etc) have unfathmably huge sway on voting outcomes. Their support has literally dictated who wins or loses any vote for the past 30-35 years, 1:1. They come out with support for a party/figure/outcome, and that party/figure/outcome will win, because they have such a wide readership. One time The Sun even ran a headline 'it was The Sun wot won it' when they span/swayed a whole election.

3. Focus on a particular 'language', and do so forcefully enough, and you will capture people's minds, with or without reason and logic. So combine factors #1 and #2 above and basically you have a massive ubiquitous campaign PR that played to people's fringe fears and forcefully rammed the false logic down their throats

Plus many, many more.



The argument is meant to be that they don't have to live with their decision. I'm 26 and when I'm 60 I'll still be living with the ramifications of this after they're long gone.

The Mail isn't News Corp. It's still a satanic shit rag of the most revolting hypocrisy, so it could be, but it's not...

 

[Angel_DvA]

I'm sad you're leaving my UK bro, hope you won't suffer too much from this, now I'm sure Far-right nationalist movements across Europe are expected to capitalize on it...

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

No, because the groups who are interested in getting us out of the EU generally have a broader anti-immigration policy in general. Farage himself presumably won't be happy until he gets to stand at an armed immigration point in Calais personally deciding whether any potential migrants look like the 'good' or the 'bad' kind.

 

[GHG]

'national' referendums are often a complete mess. They often cover topics that are much too complex for the average joe; so you end up having a lot of misinformed voters.

So it's not possible for an intelligent and rational individual to vote leave?

Is that what you're implying?