Its racism, just another form then hate.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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metareferential
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It's fascinating seeing all these "right" people calling other idiots and questioning democracy.
No wonder they like the Union so much xD
It's a sad day for Europe. But it was a sad Europe anyway. The EU only cares about economy (and not in a sustainable way either, just look at Greece).
GamingKaiju
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Kinda harsh calling people rascisit because they voted leave is uncalled for.
I know people who voted leave for genuine reasons which had nothing to do with immigrants.
I think Cameron made a huge mistake allowing this to happen. Hopefully there is a 2nd vote and remain wins or politications don't enact the vote either way I hope things work themselves out.
I know people who voted leave for genuine reasons which had nothing to do with immigrants.
I think Cameron made a huge mistake allowing this to happen. Hopefully there is a 2nd vote and remain wins or politications don't enact the vote either way I hope things work themselves out.
Yeah, get out, we dont need your money! Oh wait, you contribute 1/3 of our GDP.....shit
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Kai Dracon
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I wouldn't support older people being disallowed to vote. The problem is with complete and educated engagement among the population.
For example, in the US it's easy to poll the public and find they disapprove of congress. Yet when congress is up for election the disapproval rating isn't reflected in how many people actually go vote. So a supposedly disapproved congress can stay the same.
Heckler456
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Wasn't there a low turnout for younger people? And isn't leave skewed predominantly to the elderly?
So am I. I'm just trying to rationalise what people would want to leave. Everything points to people being scared of immigrants coming over and turning extreme. That's what the news reports every week. It's understandable why they choose to leave. They just don't understand markets etc. Fucking idiots to say the least.
Fucking walking dead.
All them defensive posts and you still haven't bothered to try to explain your view on immigration and how this will supposedly help.
You're a leave voter alright.
The voters did not understand and comprehend what leaving meant. This should never have been left up to them in the first place. Democracy has failed if it allows a country to burn itself to the ground.
Maybe young people should have turned out to vote then! I hear it was more like 60% turnout for 18-29 voters.
Veritigo_X
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What the fuck do you propose as a solution in that case?
Honestly, I want to know. The problematic truth of this language is sort of becoming more evident year-on-year.
Good possibility
Is this true...do they (the voters) have money? This chart another person posted....
Makes me think it's the poor and the uneducated that voted for this. The US has a major problem with poor and uneducated voters.
Wealth and education are in DIRE need of being spread out and cleaned up in the US. Things have become massively lopsided. You have a massive majority of poor uneducated people here. I don't know if that's true for the UK.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
It's not that easy. You can't just be like "Welp, I thought we would do better if we ditch you but we didn't. Let's go back to how things were before"
Im coming around to Plato more and more today
Chairmanchuck
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The same happened in Germany. Then when you ask the people, they are mostly uneducated and wouldnt want to go to the fields, become a cleaning worker etc, because its "too low" for them.
Polish people arent taking cheap labor away from other people. They are taking jobs no one else did or wanted to do.
Its not fear. Its stupid racism. The same we happen in Germany when uneducated people from eastern germany mostly think polish people are "teeking our jebs", while they actually dont wanna get asparagus out of fields..
Agreed on the first point, disagreed with the severity of the second. The second point doesn't mean that you abandon the project and your partners, but instead try to come up with solutions to the challenges you face with EU migration (both internal and external).
Europe is one of the most richest and powerful continents and UKIP and its followers mean to tell me it can't handle a bunch of immigrant workers?
It's hysteria and fear, nothing else.
Indirect democracy. You know, the type of thing where people elect qualified leaders to make these types of decisions for them.
You vote in experts who pledge to sort out whatever issue you dont like. They can then spend months poring over data models and agree the best option.
They are called MPs
PeskyToaster
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Did anyone ask the Queen what she wanted?
Like what for instance?
Bots are better than you
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I think it should be possible ... BUT ... UK until now had some special things going via EU for them.
If negotiations happen for a possible rejoin, EU is probably going to make UK suck the whole package of rules, deals without any special treatment.
TatteredHat
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I propose a representative democracy where the qualified and informed elected officials act upon issues with compromise and tact rather than dealing with unprecedented economical secessions with yes/no votes.
There was a poll posted earlier showing that multiculturalism and immigration were the top "forces of ill" according to Leave voters. By, like, 80+ percent margins. How is that not evidence of massive racism and xenophobia?
Maybe the people you know don't fall into that category, but the people you know don't necessarily represent the whole movement at large either.
The Remain campaign has treated most of the Leave voters with contempt after their parties ignored them for decades. If you watched the debates you would have seen Remain campaigners calling the Leave campaigners stupid liars etc. If you are a Leave supporter I can see how the implication is that they are stupid for believing them.
I agree we could have handled it in the EU . It's just that we didn't and now we are living with the consequences. I favoured Remain but I just want people to try to understand why so many chose Leave. The Leave campaign did prey on fear and resentment, but those things came from lives that many people in this country are leading which have gotten worse and worse since the 1980s.
He was absolutely right, and yet being uneducated and stupid is seen as more in vogue today than ever. Donald Trump loves the uneducated. People on GAF were getting righteously indignant merely at polls showing 80% of the educated favor remain.
This goes to show who actually got out and voted.
I don't get the people who say racism spearheaded this. It's not racism, it's people of a country who want control of who comes and goes. I'm an American, if the UK said I can't come to their country because I'm an American, so what? It's their country, I'd respect that decision.
IT depends.
If, during the 2 year period activated by article 50 of the Lisbon treaty, the U.K. Decides not to leave, you can absolutely guarantee it would happen. No questions asked, Europe would be overjoyed.
If the UK wants to rejoin *after* the two year period, once we have actually separated? Will be incredibly painful, tedious and difficult. Every other member state would have to agree for us joining, we would have to adopt the Euro, we wouldn't have any of the current opt-outs and special agreements we have in place including the rebate, etc etc. Would take many, many years and lots of pain.
It's like Gamergate supports - you have neo-nazis, misogynists, and far right personas and news sites proclaiming their support of you, and GG supporters still don't reflect on their compatriots.
Basically:
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Yeah, there is a reason why a LOT of people in geriatric care (at least here in Austria, I would assume in Germany too) are Polish. Because it's a fucking horrible, soul-crushing and often disgusting job and nobody here wants to do it.
I know. I'm just trying to understand the general train of thought of leave voters. I leaned toward leave earlier this year but when I realised how much it'll effect the UK I voted remain.
...but they did lie. Right out of their arses. Sounds like fair comment.
"We've got skulls on our hats and uniform"It's like Gamergate supports - you have neo-nazis, misogynists, and far right personas and news sites proclaiming their support of you, and GG supporters still don't reflect on their compatriots.
Basically:
You misread. They were mocking them for saying they believed in trickle down wealth, not saying they had wealth that had trickled down.
This the EU's fault? my older brother who has learning difficulties voted leave and he was regretting it. And I asked why? He said cause he had an argument last week with an Italian guy. Then he looks at me and says I didn't think we'd win. Labour didn't say anything.
He lives in Barking and Dagenham and works zero hours contract. ;/
GHG
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The result would be very different if people could also vote via social media.
mcz117chief
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Parliamentary democracy of course, let the people elect their representatives, the smartest and most educated among them and let THEM rule, pretty much like it has been since the French Revolution. But referendums are atrocious, you let people who have no idea what is going on have the same say as the people who spend years and years researching and working in the political and economical environment. Doesn't that sound incredibly bad?
Allow experts who actually know what the fuck is at stake to vote on behalf of the people.
If Trump wins the U.S. Presidency, 2016 will be the year that democracy officially failed. No one would be able to deny that. No one.
Freeman
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Isn't the UK like that? Wasn't the PM that pushed for the referendum?
Scottish Sin
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Honestly not surprised but seriously, fuck this cunt. Unbelievable.
MrS
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It's like Gamergate supports - you have neo-nazis, misogynists, and far right personas and news sites proclaiming their support of you, and GG supporters still don't reflect on their compatriots.
Basically:
"Are we the baddies?"
Red Arremer
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Just don't trust Aristotle.
It's why I'm a proponent of democratic Technocracy. Have people who actually worked or studied the field they're in as heads of departments (e.g. a doctor as health minister, a scientist as science minister), and have people who have some sort of political expertise handle the paperwork. Done. No commodity brokers, wanker bankers or analysts in power except maybe for the financial/economic sector.
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