He looks like what donald trump would be if he were a brit.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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He looks like what donald trump would be if he were a brit.
-duskdoll-
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You can't prove that though. The only way i think this could be done is by voting if they want to vote again. I don't know how realistic that is though.
I guess I didn't consider them because the bipartisan and First Past The Post systems so completely and utterly fuck democracy already, so it's not really a solution ATM.
In Scotland things are better on that front due to the Single Transferable Vote and Proportional Representation.
I'm not clued up here, but can we do this? i.e. decide after two years not to leave AFTER invoking Article 50? I do wonder if after two years the mood might change and that it becomes clear from public opinion that remaining in the EU is the best course of action.
Though at this point I'm just grasping at anything that means that we wouldn't have to leave the EU. lol.
Considering that the momento leave won leave campaigners promptly revealed that they were lying all along... Seems like the Remain campaign eas completely right.
SoRuffShoNuff
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Yeah, I don't know much about UK politicians but I wouldn't call the ones we have here in the States experts at anything other than getting elected.
Yes he did, in an attempt to stave off the UKIP voters and secure the General Election last year. And now he gets to jump ship so he doesn't have to deal with the consequences.
Wonderful.
The mistake was obviously thinking something like this should be a direct democratic matter, yes, and Cameron will have to live with that albatross.
Putyouinmyoven
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I feel terrible and ashamed to be part of a country that voted to leave the EU.
Please don't hate us Europe, so many of us did not want this.
Please don't hate us Europe, so many of us did not want this.
GamingKaiju
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Crazy regulations for one.
I know in my region where it's quite deprived and work is very hard to find. China stole our industry and then EU regulations on fuel consumption finished the rest off.
The regeneration money promised by the EU stopped years ago and our region has been left to rot. I know leave had a majority here.
Gurgelhals
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As a Swiss citizen and, thus, a strong believer in the merits of direct democracy, I have to respectfully disagree
Elements of direct democracy can work very well, *if* (and that's a pretty significant if) there are appropriate institutional safeguards in place and there is an actual lived culture of regular direct democratic political participation (as in Switzerland where we vote four times a year on numerous important and less important issues both on the communal, the state and the federal level).However, calling one-off referendums on momentous issues that severely affect the course of an entire nation in a representative democracy is, indeed, bullshit if you ask me. I mean, we're seeing the results right now.
It would have to happen before we formally leave, and I'm guessing could only happen if there was a change in our national government. E.g. A new Labour leader gets elected with a mandate of not leaving Europe. So it is possible, but extremely unlikely.
Most important issues for white van man.
thomasmahler
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A republic?
Carl2291
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All this talk of xenophobia is hilarious.
Government has actively ignored everywhere outside of London for 2 generations and you're all surprised when the communities hit hardest by mass immigration bite back and vote out.
Labour and the Tories have ignored the calls from your working class Brit to get a grasp on things and they've been ignored. Towns have been gutted, families have been hit hard by low wages, communities have been decimated by different cultures that don't try to integrate, the NHS and schooling have been hit hard by increased demand (and bad policy), affordable homes can't be built to compensate for the massive growth. People have genuine problems and they've been failed by both Labour and the Tories.
Get out and actually talk to the people who vote. Talk to the people who have genuine concerns and complaints. When you simply shrug concerns off as xenophobic or bigoted (see Gordon Brown's classic blunder with the old woman) then you're actively shunning away real people with real concerns.
Look at what problems this 52% has and actually try to help them, don't just attack them. This notion from the far left that anyone who voted leave is either racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic or straight up an idiot has to stop because you're only going to add fuel to the fire.
Government has actively ignored everywhere outside of London for 2 generations and you're all surprised when the communities hit hardest by mass immigration bite back and vote out.
Labour and the Tories have ignored the calls from your working class Brit to get a grasp on things and they've been ignored. Towns have been gutted, families have been hit hard by low wages, communities have been decimated by different cultures that don't try to integrate, the NHS and schooling have been hit hard by increased demand (and bad policy), affordable homes can't be built to compensate for the massive growth. People have genuine problems and they've been failed by both Labour and the Tories.
Get out and actually talk to the people who vote. Talk to the people who have genuine concerns and complaints. When you simply shrug concerns off as xenophobic or bigoted (see Gordon Brown's classic blunder with the old woman) then you're actively shunning away real people with real concerns.
Look at what problems this 52% has and actually try to help them, don't just attack them. This notion from the far left that anyone who voted leave is either racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic or straight up an idiot has to stop because you're only going to add fuel to the fire.
I know they lied. I'd recommend you watched the debate if you hadn't, my issue is more the tone of the Remain campaign than anything. I feel like Remain could have won if they weren't so smug and condescending.
Maybe they should reflect on why they were trusted less than Boris Johnson and Nigel fucking Farage.
I agree but the disjoint in your post is 'qualified and informed elected officials'
I can't think of any representative-based system today which ensures that officials are qualified and/or informed.
How do you ensure that?
I'd agree with the second sentence there but I think the first needs some more work
I bet they're all leave voters
SporeCrawler
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EU will not allow that
Racism is still racism regardless of whether its taught or original thought.
GloriousBagel
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How does that make any sense? The people go out to vote and if he wins, that's democracy.
Just because you didn't receive your desired outcome doesn't mean democracy is broken.
dragonbane
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Absolutely unbelievable wow
Whereabouts?
HazySaiyan
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Representative democracy, you know, like we have now.
Ether_Snake
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"No we lied, don't get your panties in a bunch or we'll have another referendum on eating babies." - Nigel Farage
How About No
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Just woke up to this, was expecting the opposite result. Umm holy fuck.
MassiveNights
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None of this has anything to do with immigration.
EU immigration brings a net benefit to the country. An undisputed fact.
You say there is no xenophobia then rant about different cultures. Who are you trying to kid?
Basically:
Perfect. Sadly, most Leave campaigners think Trump's "just talking common sense".
"Not racist, but #1 with racists"
Globalisation killed the region, not the EU. But fuck them for not doling out cash to prop up an unsustainable industry.
Smh
This is factually incorrect. The places that voted due to fear of immigration were the places least affected by immigration
There have already been murmurings of voter regret - http://theweek.com/speedreads/632139/some-brexit-supporters-now-say-already-regret-voting-leave-eu
MSNBC was talking about how they voted with their heart, not facts. Voting Leave as a form of "protest". They weren't voting for what's logically best for the country, they were voting for what they felt in the moment was best for the country based on fear spread by the likes of Johnson.
Souldriver
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We don't. We just want you back.
Do you understand that this will not solve things since no car manufacturer is going to make a car with adjusted fuel consumption just for the UK? Do you understand that it was majority vote that put those regulations in place? That the UK government also voted and participated in this political process? That things would not be different if it was a purely UK domestic law?
As someone working in Brussels and involved in these processes, I am just incredibly pissed off to see people blame EU regulation when that regulation is made, supported and is the result of a democratic process which due to its scale is often more fair and less prone to regulatory capture than if it was a purely domestic rule where a single company can easily lobby and bribe elected officials.
I wouldn't even be surprised if something like this fuel consumption and environmental protection rule is coming from international fora (like the Paris Convention) against global warming rather than something cooked up in the dark backroom offices of invisible technocrats. And the EU structural funds to help regions cope with these things are often funded by the budget contributions of other countries, which the UK now will have zero access to.
mavericktopgun
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This man!!!!!
I'm perplexed by how the conservatives, who have basically lost London over the last two decades to the point where it's a labour stronghold and overwhelmingly red, are somehow only concerned with London. I mean, they don't get votes there, they don't get MPS, but somehow it's all about London? Also worth noting that the inner city metropolitan areas, the places with significant immigration - voted to Remain. In fact, it's the places in England with the LEAST immigration that voted to leave.
And you know who was helping the 52%? Europe. Regeneration funding in Cornwall, Wales, the North East. All now gone. Turkeys and Christmas etc etc,.
Mass immigration what? London is mass immigration central. And we voted remain.
ClosingADoor
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Nice, you just posted things that are 90% the responsibility of the own national government and not the EU. The EU doesn't manage your healthcare, stop you from building affordable housing, it actually invests in poor areas instead of ignoring them, and they don't bring in those different cultures, since I take it you are talking about Muslims with that.
I get people are angry. But the Leave campaign aimed their hatred at the wrong institutions. And it will screw over those same people even more now.
GHG
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Top post. Well said.
Led_Zeppelin
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Some people just like democracy when the majority is on their side, if not they seem to want an aristocracy and have no problems showing their authoritarian nature.
PdotMichael
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Yeah, we will never forget tCameron's many pro-EU speeches.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
This has most likely already been posted but I haven't seen it yet, so....
EU leaders call for UK to leave as soon as possible
EU leaders call for UK to leave as soon as possible
Shake Appeal
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Never seen a country blow its own brains out to spite the foreigners. How curious.
Subpar Spatula
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The bolded is very key to your overall point and how you actually feel.
Proud that Liverpool voted Remain. I visited there last week for the first time in years. It was the European capital of culture a few years ago and the regeneration has really turned the city around.
I think most people here aren't saying Leave was the right choice, it's just that saying Leave voters are all racists is absurdly reductive. It's about economics, class resentment etc as much as anything else. The referendum became a referendum on whether or not you approve of Britain today unfortunately.
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