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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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geordiemp
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Rumours and reality.
I think EU and UK will move quickly to form a relationship, its in both interests.
doesn't that depend on the negotiations britain will now be undertaking with an EU council that doesn't like them very much?
I didn't mean to say the young hold all the power, I wanted to say their opinions are at least heard and usually agreed upon. Whether the government acts accordingly or not is an entirely different matter. On the other hand, the destitute have their voices universally ignored by everyone and voting against something well regarded by what they consider the "establishment" is the only chance to be heard. It's stupid human nature, but it is what it is.
If anything, these people are misguided by others preying on their disenfranchisement and as such need more help and understanding, not threats of removing their basic democratic rights like voting. Pointing fingers and calling them too stupid to vote will push them even deeper into that siege mentality.
Oh he does. Resigning know is an [IMO] futile attempt to limit the damage to his precious reputation. His legacy will be worse than Blairs, and I don't say that lightly.
nature boy
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What's with this nonsense that the EU might end?
Ever heard of the Euro?
Ever heard of the Euro?
Source on this?
Rumours?
I know someone who works as a manager at JP Morgan as a senior manager here in the south.
Spuck-uk
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We've a long history of migratin into the city (for instance, oldest chinatown in Europe).
In addition, the rest of the country and media tending to demonise the city, has led people to band together in a way you don't really see in other cities.
Barkley's Justice
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I look forward to The Verge article, "I Never Knew What a Referendum Was Until Today."
I know. It's just a different reality.
As Zizek says: First as tragedy, then as farce. It really is farcical in its tragedy.
It's no longer his mess to clean up. Whoever takes over as PM has this hung around their necks as well.
MisterFalcon
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http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout15.htm
I'd be extremely suprised if the figures for this referendum were much different. Young people not voting are the ones to blame if you wanted to Remain, not old people exercising their democratic rights.
And, imho, don't take it to hearts uk-gaf, but apart from london, which is bursting with work to brim (thus excessive housing cost), the rest of the uk is not *so* well off in terms of employment and median wage
What the fuck are you talking about?
Brighton, Reading, Swindon, Cambridge, Aberdeen, Warrington are booming right now.
Led_Zeppelin
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Again it isn't normal but it can be explained which is far more important. That is why the markets have recover. FTSE is basically on levels as last monday. This isn't a SELL EVERYTHING PANIC, if you ever saw one you would know it immediately and the devaluation of the pound was is now on a low point but not much different that the point when the market started the rally a WEEK AGO.
Selling that fear is exactly what cause people to lose money on the stock market from their 401k or mutual founds or private investments or their own currency.
ClosingADoor
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"The facts are coming in now." Compared to when? The thousands of people warning this would happen over the past weeks if you'd vote to Leave.
Ever heard of the greek debt ?
The likelihood of it happening has nothing to do with oil? These are two unrelated lines of thinking.
There's a very slim chance we would get another referendum, but say it happened, and we got independence, then we'd be sitting in a potential economic bog
One doesn't impact the other, they are just disparate sequential events
Relaxed Muscle
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He certainly got way more thah he should had, even raising more than a few eyebrows in several EU members and setting very alarming precedents in the EU.
The fact is that EU made an incredible effort the meet Cameron demands assuring them the Remain would win. UK was already a privilaged state inside the union and still they decide to leave.
EU won't allow Cameron backing off from calling the article 50.
Not to give them any excuse, yes they are at fault for not voting, but 15 hours being enough is bullshit for many people. My boss, who would vote remain, happen to have meetings regarding so many projects during those 15 hours, and London itself was hard to navigate due to flooding some areas, such as Wimbledon, had.
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The EU isn't binded to what the UK makes of its own referendums. The EU can consider the results as it pleases and write legislation that is vague enough to allow them to proceed to vote to invoke article 50.
entremet
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This is same story in almost every modern nation.
Young people are generally unconcerned dumbasses regarding their futures politically.
dealer-
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The lost friendships etc is particularly poignant as a couple of friends married Polish nationals and now that will be lost for future generations.
Chairmanchuck
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Not really. If you want to work in Germany e.g. your employer just have to prove you are needed in the company as a foreigner and a German couldnt do the same job.
Before that they didnt need to offer the proof.
The hard thing now is to prove, that you need a British person, lets say, for an engineering job that a German couldnt do with the same qualifications.
But is it really?
If the EU could court these companies to move to the mainland why would they even need the UK?
The UK has a different currency and they aren't the most helpful partners anyway. They never were.
Also, it would be for the best interest of the union if the UK fails because that would make the other countries think twice if they ever think of leaving.
Gnome Scat
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Holy shit, it actually happened. Welp, this won't end well.
Screaming Meat
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Archduke Franz Ferdidand was shot in Sarajevo
Spuck-uk
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The net issue with housing is the right wing government stopped building council housing, not immigration. Do some research.
Again, waiting until October makes no sense at all. This is just Cameron being Cameron.
Im in Canada , listen to CBC news in my car every day, and it feels like overnight i learned about this even happening and the vote result.
How long has this campaign been going on? I know it was discussed to prior ellection, which was also when?
SlickShoes
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Well getting rid of the abomination that is Trident will free up some money at least.
Sure the whole world will be lining up to attack Scotland once we are no longer armed with nukes....
SuperHans for PM
nature boy
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And?
gutter_trash
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The EU needs major changes and reforms to better represent all members states, especially the smaller ones
the EU shouldn't be about freakin' Germany bullying the smaller countries into submission
it should be Federative with each member state as a equal partner, regardless of size
the EU shouldn't be about freakin' Germany bullying the smaller countries into submission
it should be Federative with each member state as a equal partner, regardless of size
that means the affirmative right to live and work in those countries no longer exists
you seem to be trying to play this off as a minor change but reverting to standard immigration law will massively limit movement
Phantast2k
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nvm
Screaming Meat
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Is it in the EU's best interests to make better deals with people that renounce their membership, or is it in their best interests to make worse ones so as to make an example of the country that did...?
nightmare-slain
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today has been incredibly depressing. i feel the same way...wondering when i'll wake up. i don't have any faith in the UK anymore and dread to find out who our next PM will be. our currency has tanked and our lives will be much worse off for years to come. the only glimmer of hope is that us in scotland get another independence referendum. i just don't want to be part of the UK anymore.
Relaxed Muscle
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While telling the rest of the EU that they can leave EU and still have access to the common market?
The current EU message is very different. They need to make UK an example.
Because he's an opportunistic little shit.
Margaret Thatcher allowed everyone to buy their house. Then she didn't build any new houses.
To this day we still barely build any new houses.
That is why there's a housing bubble.
It is fucking nothing to do with immigration. IT IS BRITISH PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT ALL OF OUR HOUSES AND THERE WERE NONE LEFT
Holy fuck, wow. I'm definitely going to point to this next time someone asks if their vote matters. Turns out if you don't vote seriously, you ruin your country's economy. Jesus Christ.
Rather go down the pan ourselves than anchored to your right wingers. We're having to face pain either way. Oh and continue to belittle us please it will help the yes vote to hear the arrogant right wing English.
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