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Torment: Tides of Numenera Kickstarter by InXile [Complete; $4.3 million funded]
- Thread starter Perkel
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Oh, didnt realize you posted here. Congrats. Anyway any thoughts as to the graphic style being used. You mention graphics (2d or not). I know its Unity but are you considering a 2d isometric artstyle?
Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you or making an argument
It's getting late and my English worsens by the minute, so sorry for the confusion.Brother None
Member
Would love to, and it's doable. Obsidian is using Unity for PE and they're doing great work adapting it to 2D's unique needs, I'm sure they won't mind if we "borrow" some of their notes.
That said, it's a significant cost and time investment, 2D of that specific painterly style is more expensive to produce than 3D. Our first goal is to look at 3D emulating a painterly style, with an isometric camera. As funding goes up, we'll look at solidifying towards 2D, perhaps as a stretch goal (it'd be a pretty high stretch goal though).
Would love to, and it's doable. Obsidian is using Unity for PE and they're doing great work adapting it to 2D's unique needs, I'm sure they won't mind if we "borrow" some of their notes.
That said, it's a significant cost and time investment, 2D of that specific painterly style is more expensive to produce than 3D. Our first goal is to look at 3D emulating a painterly style, with an isometric camera. As funding goes up, we'll look at solidifying towards 2D, perhaps as a stretch goal (it'd be a pretty high stretch goal though).
Well you should shoot for it. Wonderful potential Torment would present over other games to introduce intricate and different worlds. I can see why that would be more difficult to achieve with strictly pre-rendering high detail. A hybrid with a creative pipeline might pull some stuff off though. Kinda like PE taking 3d models and doing a paintover for detail.
Guess this is the biggest benefit to having already done a kickstarter, being prepared to scale the game based off funding instead of throwing together last minute stretch goals.
And making a solid pitch of course.
5 million dollar stretch goal for 2D environments! LETS DO THIS!
superdeluxe
Member
Lots of cross over between codex and gaf
Tell your artists that we love them, and give them a raise.
Seconded.
Tell your artists that we love them, and give them a raise.
Yeah the concept art is wonderful.
Wasteland 2's concepts kicked ass as well.
Very backed, pending. So happy to see this thrive. The stretch goals better be solid and updated as needed considering the overwhelming success. I think that's one of the reasons Project Eternity pledges were still rolling in consistently after the momentum died down, from what I observed. Then of course there was that final push to reach 4m at the end. I can easily see this surpassing that point which is pretty amazing.
Brother None
Member
Yeah, Brian and Matt assembled a pretty amazing team of artists, and we're not even that far into showing you guys their work. Really glad we don't have to break up that creative team, both on the concept art and the writing ends.
3D models painted over is actually how PS:T and Baldur's Gate did it too. It's a pretty expensive process, though it's cheaper now compared to then, but it still basically adds another layer of work when you have to "handpaint" over.
3D models painted over is actually how PS:T and Baldur's Gate did it too. It's a pretty expensive process, though it's cheaper now compared to then, but it still basically adds another layer of work when you have to "handpaint" over.
For people who like the art, there's more from the general setting here: http://www.numenera.com/numenera-art/
The concept art is the best I've seen in a long time. Both Wasteland 2 and Torment.
@Brian: you might want to tell Chris Avellone & co. to take note
I think he is Thomas Beekers.
Their Wasteland 2 stuff is great too:
Yeah i had a brainfart there, pretty much every pre-rendered game ever does post work in photoshop and adds another layer to the process.
Can't be. He didn't say "Meep meep moo" once.
trab pu kcip
Member
let brian receive a kiss on the mouth in the name of neoGAF
I find the production model being implemented to be pretty interesting btw. Assuming everything goes according to plan, essentially the "pre-production" team will likely be done be with Torment early next year, so I wonder if at that point they will pursue another Kickstarter. Wasteland 2 will likely be out by then as well, and if that pans out they will certainly have the full support of backers to continue running this sort of production setup. The cycle would be pretty impressive if managed well, a kickstarter at some point during the year while whatever game they were already working on releases at the end of that respective year to fuel support for the next kickstarter in the next year, and so on. Obviously it all hinges on the quality of the games being put out, and I'm sure dev times cannot be so consistent, but it seems like a smart way to prevent waste while continuing to iterate and build on the tools being created for Wasteland 2 and in turn Torment.
Its just like what Ubisoft does with their massive 8 teams working on annual Assassin's Creed games. They are all moving parts moving from one thing to the next and not always in sync with each other.
Yeah. Some of the stuff from the Numenera team is incredible. Still kind of regretting that I went for a Numenera PDF instead of hardback.
Exactly. Obviously in their case there are less variables when it comes to funding and future work, but presumably this kind of setup should work on a modest scale built around kickstarter funding.
Jasper Avenue
Member
Pretty excited for this. Now we need some nice stretch goals and surprises.
trab pu kcip
Member
same here.
it's beautiful
Jeepers
trab pu kcip
Member
I think the hardest part will be to find people to play with haha.
Brother None
Member
Oh no D:
't is inevitable
(it's pronounced "Bakers" in my native Dutch! True story!)
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I love how, on my Kicktraq app, Torment has made so much money and is trending so high that the initial goal has been pushed to the very bottom of the chart.
Wiktor
Member
Plus it was existing game, which needed money. It lacked that kind of wild "OMG! Without our support it will never be made" vibe, even if in reality that's exactly what is was.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
AVELLONE IS LEAD!
Not on this game, he was lead on the older one.
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
He was Lead Designer of Planescape, not this game. All of those positions were what they did on PS:T.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Aww
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
I imagine the issue is that he is busy with Eternity and their unannounced game. He has to prioritize Obsidian's work first after all. Even a single character can be a substantial amount of work, unless it is some throw away NPC. In which case they really don't need him in the first place.
LOL. I made the same mistake upon first eye scan.
holy shit, you're here.