gigantor21
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I was going to post something like this, but you already did--and far better than I would have.
Ubisoft is REALLY taking the piss on this one. "Wrong words" indeed, LOL.
Ubisoft issues totally convincing response to Assassin's Creed Unity's resolution
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I was going to post something like this, but you already did--and far better than I would have.
Ubisoft is REALLY taking the piss on this one. "Wrong words" indeed, LOL.
Well, I know I always vote with my dollar. I am but one pitiable gamer trying to fight the rush of self-gratification that haunts the industry
RedAssedApe
Banned
bringing the heat
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I think the fact that we have video footage of the mod being glitchy and that the modder himself had to release several versions of it in order to fix it is proof enough of their explanation.
I'll repeat what I said in the other thread.
Sony is the market leader, they have the largest user base in part because of their competitive pricing and better tech. Ubisoft needs Sony more then Sony needs Ubisoft but both need each other to an extent and in Ubisofts case it would be smart to stay on the good side of the console leader.
At this point Ubisoft, either deliberately or not, is holding back the market leaders version of their game in order to create parity with the console with a lower user base and lower specs.
If I were Sony I would make it known pretty clearly that alienating and possibly engaging in deals that may include agreements to keep parity with their competitor is a direct violation of goodwill toward Sony and that they need to think long and hard about pissing off Sony's user base and Sony itself. Because as the market leader you stand to lose quite a lot if you damage your relationship with us.
Sony is the market leader, they have the largest user base in part because of their competitive pricing and better tech. Ubisoft needs Sony more then Sony needs Ubisoft but both need each other to an extent and in Ubisofts case it would be smart to stay on the good side of the console leader.
At this point Ubisoft, either deliberately or not, is holding back the market leaders version of their game in order to create parity with the console with a lower user base and lower specs.
If I were Sony I would make it known pretty clearly that alienating and possibly engaging in deals that may include agreements to keep parity with their competitor is a direct violation of goodwill toward Sony and that they need to think long and hard about pissing off Sony's user base and Sony itself. Because as the market leader you stand to lose quite a lot if you damage your relationship with us.
The PS4's GPU is roughly 30-50% faster than the XB1's, depending on what exactly you're talking about. Thats hardly a negligible difference. So... you're just completely wrong.
biglittleps
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How about some exclusive content or something else (In this case, its parity for them)? As we saw Sony saying Destiny is best on PS4 in E3 even though both systems have the game at 1080p.
Methamatics101
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Container Name=''Bullshit'' fParity=''1''
No, you see, in the case of Watch_Dogs, those tricksy modders (more like HACKERS) accessed a mode that was never meant for human consumption. The also unoptimized vanilla game version is the only proper way to play.
KINGofCRA5H
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Business
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Definitely, but it always cracks me up so I won't complain.
Seems like a pretty reasonable response. Seems like Unity is pushing a whole lot more than AC4, so it's not surprising in the least that the resolution would have to take a hit to compensate, even on the PS4.
Not surprised in the least this thread is going this way though. Forum posters would much rather be indignant than reasonable.
Not surprised in the least this thread is going this way though. Forum posters would much rather be indignant than reasonable.
Ingueferroque
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Well, I know I always vote with my dollar. I am but one pitiable gamer trying to fight the rush of self-gratification that haunts the industry
You're doing great! I appreciate seeing your sensible and positive thoughts in some of the more cynical threads.
Doctor_Thomas
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MvmntInGrn
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So am I getting this right? We have two branches of discussion.
1. Their previous statement doesn't relate to this one at all. We went from the mindset of:
We don't want people to compare version of our games, or at least debate about them.
to
This is the way it has to be from a technical standpoint.
2. How can it be that way from a technical standpoint when the systems are obviously not the same. On one hand if every developer played to a platforms strengths PC version would look a lot better than they already do (because they can do so much more) but at the same time the unchanging nature of a game console does lend itself to specific optimization and I don't think it is unreasonable for consumers to expect the most is being made of their system.
That leaves us with motive. Like
Maybe some upset gamers doesn't bother them but if this finds its way into reviews and impressions from here on out it could hurt their product selling on PS4; just eating away at any profit they would have otherwise enjoyed. Of course to review the game in a timely manner maybe reviewers won't be allowed to talk about such things.
They'll probably get what they want in the end...
1. Their previous statement doesn't relate to this one at all. We went from the mindset of:
We don't want people to compare version of our games, or at least debate about them.
to
This is the way it has to be from a technical standpoint.
2. How can it be that way from a technical standpoint when the systems are obviously not the same. On one hand if every developer played to a platforms strengths PC version would look a lot better than they already do (because they can do so much more) but at the same time the unchanging nature of a game console does lend itself to specific optimization and I don't think it is unreasonable for consumers to expect the most is being made of their system.
That leaves us with motive. Like
This maybe, which is rather rude to the consumer. Instead of making the game a proper exclusive they make it multiplatform (we get it, they want to make money) but then deny platform optimization and a potentially better product to one party or another to, again, make or save money.
Maybe some upset gamers doesn't bother them but if this finds its way into reviews and impressions from here on out it could hurt their product selling on PS4; just eating away at any profit they would have otherwise enjoyed. Of course to review the game in a timely manner maybe reviewers won't be allowed to talk about such things.
They'll probably get what they want in the end...
Ein Bear
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With Rogue coming out on last-gen, they decided to keep the crowd sizes the same in both games. Y'know, to stop debates and stuff.
You won't have to unlock anything in Unity, out of the box the PC version includes many graphical enhancements but unsurprisingly you will need powerful hardware to take advantage of all of them.
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/far-cry-4-assassins-creed-unity-exclusive-pc-graphical-features-unveiled/
technically, that is the same as interacting with every single one of them
you know, you can kill a civilian and the game will say 'you will desynchronize if you kill any more civilians' or how if you run really fast into them they'll be pushed aside or fall over
that's interaction! technicalities bro!
Omnipunctual Godot
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LegendofLex
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Well, I know I always vote with my dollar. I am but one pitiable gamer trying to fight the rush of self-gratification that haunts the industry
Personally, I don't see any way out but for the masses to outright reject the sum of the offer--that is, most of the baggage-laden stuff put out by today's games industry. Someone is either going to have to come up with a dedicated focus on better value propositions, backed by a solid business model (something like Nintendo's kickoff to last-gen, except with actually worthwhile follow-through), or the industry's just going to have to decline over time.
Too many $$$ involved in the culture we see at play here for things to go down any other way at this point.
Reluctant-Hero
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This is exactly what I was looking for. GAF, you never disappoint me.
Impeccable
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I bet you can even pick pocket them ALL!
It's almost as if Ubisoft are being deceptive about their product to push pre-orders...
Aiden is like a mascot for douchebag game protagonists. I almost forgot that I played as this human pitstain.
Barack Lesnar
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I'm a total sheep. I just went from no hype whatsoever to a solid 7.5 out of 10 after reading that description of the game. From 100-150 NPCs on screen at once in the previous AC games to "thousands"? That's insane.
Edit:
Edit:
Hmm now I'm skeptical. >.<
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Deleted member 80556
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"Look, guys, we didn't mean to say that. LOOK AT ALL THE AWESOME STUFF IN OUR GAME. S'ya."
That's your response, Ubisoft? You didn't even issue the response we want to hear: why, when one of the consoles has a better GPU than the other, it doesn't have improvements over the other one?
That's your response, Ubisoft? You didn't even issue the response we want to hear: why, when one of the consoles has a better GPU than the other, it doesn't have improvements over the other one?
tearsintherain
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I have every console and a good PC setup. I'd like to game more on my PC, and I thought the new gen of consoles would make it better, but some problems I am noticing:
- the PC port is delayed significantly compared to the console versions
- the PC port is laggy/buggy for weeks and months, and sometimes is never fixed
- fewer online players leads to less satisfying experiences (Titanfall)
For single player console games, I can buy them for $48 new at Best Buy (GCU discount), play for 2 weeks, and trade them in for $44, essentially a $4 rental. If I buy a PC game there is nothing I can do with it if I don't like it, I can't even give it to a friend since there isn't a way to gift attached steam/origin games.
Its all very frustrating and annoying. For now my strategy is basically play the PS4 or xbox one version at launch, always trade in within 2 or 3 weeks, and then rebuy down the road on sale, PC preferred if the port is good. I have a 600+ Steam and Origin library of digital games I absolutely love, whereas my console library is pretty much just a skeleton of physical games I am just currently playing.
If I want to do the right thing I should really just skip AC5 to vote my displeasure with my wallet, but I do love the AC series so I'm gonna play on PS4, trade it in, and buy in a year or two the complete PC version for $5 when its on the winter sale or whatever, to add to my full AC collection in uPlay.
The Shogun
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I took the time to read the entire post to give them a fair shake.
Nowhere do they address the power issue. Its simple Ubi, the PS4 is 30 to 40 percent more powerful. Since both Xbox and PS4 are 900p 30fps are you using the excess power of the PS4 for better image quality and effects or are you just leaving that power sitting.
They in no way give an answer to this question.
Nowhere do they address the power issue. Its simple Ubi, the PS4 is 30 to 40 percent more powerful. Since both Xbox and PS4 are 900p 30fps are you using the excess power of the PS4 for better image quality and effects or are you just leaving that power sitting.
They in no way give an answer to this question.
I do to but at the same time consumer backlashes are absolutely critical to ensure companies like Ubisoft and EA get the message that their selfish anti-consumer policies that are aimed to help line their shareholders pockets will ultimately have the opposite effect and they need to change their policies.
If anything consumers, even as outspoken as they have become in the video games industry, need to do more.
I post in topics like these simply because these grievances need to get noticed, need to spread and need to lead to a real sense of pressure at these companies. Otherwise they are pointless, literally.
The game itself was so rife with glitches/problems (EDIT : The base game, with no mods of any kind, was rife with glitches.) that who's to say where Ubisoft's mess ends and the modder's mess begins, and for some people the mod even fixed some of Ubisoft's problems/performance issues. So with the mod you're trading one pile of bugs for possibly some fixes and possibly another pile of bugs.
And of course the modder had to release several versions, where the mod ended up is proof that if Ubisoft put a body on it with understanding of what the features/options do and how they work (and which play nice with eachother), they'd have a better job than the modder in half the time. Of course that takes money.
Schnozberry
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How does he still have a job? He messed up badly and this is now growing into a huge issue that is overshadowing the actual game and maybe losing them sales
If i did that much damage to my company, financially and in terms of damage to it's reputation/integrity i'd be sacked
yeah the assassin's are sort of dicks when you think about it lol
dynamitejim
Member
At this point either they'll bump the resolution or add a couple additional silly effects over the Xbone version so they can say there's no parity.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
I didn't even pre-order.
They'll just demote him and ship him to Ubisoft Detroit or wherever the next end of the content pipeline starts spilling out. Ubisoft Van Down by the River.
I completely understand that Ubisoft has backed themselves into a corner and can't tell us the truth regarding their original statement but the least they could do is to stop lying to us even if it means shutting up about it entirely.
If that was the case, the Xbone version would probably be 720p or feature about 60% of the number of NPCs roaming about.
If that was the case, the Xbone version would probably be 720p or feature about 60% of the number of NPCs roaming about.
Jinfash
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Ugh, this doesn't really answer or address where the inherent extra hardware resources are applied. If they're planning on using relatively higher quality effects (or any other GPU intensive application) rather than resolution, then being forthcoming with that information would be far more acceptable than a wall of pussyfooting non-answer.
That's the core of the issue: Are they planning on sitting on resources or using them?
That's the core of the issue: Are they planning on sitting on resources or using them?
The key is that they learn this type of business practice won't go unnoticed and that future attempts will have similar consequences.
Don't like it? Don't buy it. Support your ideals with your wallets along with words.
While I neither had any intention of buying Unity from the start (not until it hit bargain bin), I understand the reason behind their practice. "Offend neither userbase and avoid debacle"; however, unlike Blizzard or Bungie, they just outright let out the internal reason behind this shift towards parity that may be adopted by many more developers/publishers in order to be in good standing w/ consumers and MS/Sony.
Regardless of whether Ubisoft is need of PR overhaul and a cup of STFU, I wonder if the outrage against forced parity should perhaps cast a wider net henceforth.
While I neither had any intention of buying Unity from the start (not until it hit bargain bin), I understand the reason behind their practice. "Offend neither userbase and avoid debacle"; however, unlike Blizzard or Bungie, they just outright let out the internal reason behind this shift towards parity that may be adopted by many more developers/publishers in order to be in good standing w/ consumers and MS/Sony.
Regardless of whether Ubisoft is need of PR overhaul and a cup of STFU, I wonder if the outrage against forced parity should perhaps cast a wider net henceforth.
CoolZombie
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This still isn't accounting for the difference in power between the consoles, near enough every other game runs at a higher resolution on PS4. If this game is the same resolution and frame rate on both then surely they aren't using the PS4 to its full capacity, as well all know for a FACT that it's a more capable machine!
I feel they think their customers are stupid or something... :-/
I feel they think their customers are stupid or something... :-/