University Is Uneasy as Court Ruling Allows Guns on Campus
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I'd have to make my decision to run or not to run before he can shoot at me.
"carry a gun after dark or you'll probably get raped".
didn't know somalia had a big gamer community.
EatinOlives
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I know Georgia Tech students are robbed a lot, but hopefully nobody is stupid enough to contemplate letting students carry concealed weapons on campus.
I fail to see how it's the same thing. Do you think it equally likely someone will kill an unarmed person as that someone will rob a house where the doors are left open?
Regardless, the two aren't equivalents as preventative measures. Carrying a tool designed for killing with you at all time for self defence is basically a last resort measure. Locking your house is the most basic, effortless thing you can do. A closer equivalent with protecting a house from would be burglars would be putting a wall around your house like you see in many third world countries.
You never heard of those portable locks that shoot hot pieces of lead at the pull of a trigger?
your style of debate doesn't appear to lend itself to platforms where people can reply. i guess now hitler is so burnt out, rape is the next best vehicle to assume a moral superlative for your broken argument.
so, to summarise; you consider a society where a lethal firearm is considered a recommended accessory for those out after dark on university campuses to be in a fine state?
Gentleman Jack
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Dude what?
It stems from more than just being on campus. If someone lives off campus and is going to campus then they can't bring a firearm for protection. Maybe the campus is safe but their neighborhood isn't.
People are moving to and from campus at all times of day, coming from and going to places that are and are not safe.
Does it blow that safety is an inconvenience? Yup, sure does.
So if you're trying to get me to say that the world is in a shitty state because their is crime in general, then I totes agree with you. I'm not going to live like it's an attainable future. I don't want guns on campus. I don't want guns on my campus, and I attend the school that the article is about. I'd rather have people be safe than insisting that endangerment is the only way we can work towards a better tomorrow.
Question: People here keep saying "If loads of people have guns, there will be shooting after shootings at the whim" or some such. How do you then explain that in America's past, pre-20th century when just about everyone and their moms owned guns you never dealt with these kind of mass shootings. Except from gangsters and criminals but not from just your average joe like people here seem to think.
I am very pro-gun for responsible people. Those living in other places such as in Europe just don't understand, but then I find it funny them bashing the U.S when so many European countries such as England have so archaic self-defense laws that basically amount to it's better you getting beaten/raped/killed then DARE to defend yourself.
I am very pro-gun for responsible people. Those living in other places such as in Europe just don't understand, but then I find it funny them bashing the U.S when so many European countries such as England have so archaic self-defense laws that basically amount to it's better you getting beaten/raped/killed then DARE to defend yourself.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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You're not outrunning bullets either way.
EatinOlives
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You mean the time period where they settled every other argument with duels that often involved the loser dying? Yeah, those were the good ol' days.
PeteZaTheHutt
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Manos:
Violent, gun-related crimes are 6 times higher in America than in Canada. Why?
Violent, gun-related crimes are 6 times higher in America than in Canada. Why?
Because people were dying left and right one by one.
It's boulder. Kids get beat up and raper all the time up there from my understanding especially in that park that's across from campus which is why when I goto boulder I always have my weapon on me.
If you have the right to conceal, then you should have the right to do it at a university. Seems pretty simple. There's nothing about a university that would preclude it. If you are upset about this, then you are probably most upset about the ability to conceal a weapon anywhere
Gentleman Jack
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I'm sure plenty of places are dangerous at night, I was more flabbergasted by the idea that opposition to concealed weaponry is the same thing as flipping the bird at rape victims.
CyclopsRock
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It seems that quite a lot of people are against this ruling on the grounds that they don't like the idea of people with guns walking around. Which is fair enough, but surely then your problem is with the whole nature of gun ownership, not specifically that they're now allowed on college campuses? As someone already said, it seems arbitrary and without reason that someone whom the state has deemed adequately prepared and trained to carry a weapon everywhere else cannot carry one on a campus.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Because no adult that owns a gun drinks right?
Devolution
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What makes you think a gun would have saved them?
A Link to the Past
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What the Fuck? Of course it happens every day. It happens many times a day in many different settings. The people who start shit with guns very often will start this shit through illegal means.
Mammoth Jones
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Self defense.
Mammoth Jones
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C'mon, you can disagree without acting like a child. Grow up.
out0v0rder
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Im sure people that conceal carry have gone to classes too before, there are guns everywhere folks. Even when youre at the hospital or daycare
I dunno... having 6 times more the population perhaps? Here in Illinois we have the most strict gun control laws yet Chicago is number 1 once again in the nation in gun related crimes. If someone is unstable enough to harm others, they will do it whether it be by gun or in the case of China, random knife stabbings.
DonasaurusRex
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i would cut ties with that university , i would not want to work residence life on that campus, teach at that campus, nor would i want to live in a dorm where the residents could have a fire arm, nor would i , in good conscience send a child there. Its no big deal to keep guns off campus, and they should stay that way in all school facilities and grounds. If your school is a city campus then all buildings, cant stop them on the streets though thats fair to have a weapon then.
CyclopsRock
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I'm confused about why you think they're OK outside of campus but not OK inside of campus? Is it just that you don't want any guns near you, and this is a place that, hitherto, has been able to get away with banning them, and you wish to maintain that?
I don't understand why so many in this thread seem to be OK with the idea of conceal-carry weapons, just not on campus. Exactly what is it about campuses that makes them so much more dangerous than all the other, non-campus places where people (who have been deemed fit to carry a gun by the authorities) can carry weapons.
This is good. Gun-free zones are the most susceptible to mass murder. If someone wants to commit a mass shooting, no law against carrying a gun on campus will stop them. If you wanting to shoot up a lecture hall and you think there's a good chance that there are multiple students in there packing heat, I guarantee you that you'll think it over. Look at the situation in Oslo. That nutcase had something like 90 minutes to shoot up the place because no one was armed.
Criminals break laws. This includes gun laws. Repealing gun control laws may seem counter-intuitive at first, but it is the right thing to do.
Criminals break laws. This includes gun laws. Repealing gun control laws may seem counter-intuitive at first, but it is the right thing to do.
PeteZaTheHutt
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No, it's 6 times higher on a per capita basis. Why? This is the third or fourth time that I've directly asked Manos about this (in this thread and another one) and he just keeps ducking the question. I've yet to hear any explanation on this, let alone a reasonable one, from anyone here. There's no way to spin this. It's guns. Lots of them...
What exactly are these gun control laws though? And how are they enforced? I can't really debate this if I don't know the nature of the restrictions in Chicago. Perhaps they are not strict enough? Also, if you only have pockets of strict gun control areas, then there's nothing to stop people from buying guns elsewhere and then bringing them into the controlled areas. Perhaps these laws are irrelevant unless they are enforced nation wide.
And if guns were more difficult to obtain, then the Aurora theater shooter would have likely only injured a few people with a knife instead of accomplishing what he did. A gun can kill many more people, much more quickly than a knife. Yes, random knife stabbings are not good, but it is by far the lesser of two evils.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Repealing the Hughes Amendment would be a good start.
POWERSPHERE
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There is no plausible reason to need or want to do it, what a weird law to bother passing.
Yeah, because there haven't been mass shootings on college campuses. No sir.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Lamel
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There is a huge difference between the traditional "adult" and a college student, I invite you to a Friday night at my school just to see, you won't be able to say that I am wrong.
You shouldn't even have to point these things out. Unforutnately gun fanatics simply point at chicago and say "DUR HUR GUN CONTROL MAKES THINGS DANGEROUS!!!!!"
Here is a fact: I can walk about a mile away to a gun shop and buy full riot gear, automatic weapons (or semi-automatics that can be easily converted into automatics with a kit at one of the myriad of gun shows), right now. At this moment.
Let me tell you, I've never shot a gun in my life. I've never done anything shady. I don't have any "underground" connections, nor would I know where to begin looking for anything shady/illegal. Despite my ignorance, society makes it so that I could, if I wanted, copy the aurora shooter, like, tonight. Society says "Hey, it's okay to make all of these things accessible to the masses." And so any dumbass can commit mass murder because the resources are not only easily accessible, but openly flaunted.
That is fucked up. That is VERY fucked up. Why do people like manos not understand this? I have no clue
EatinOlives
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DonasaurusRex
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nah the responsible use of a fire arm doesnt bother me, its the irresponsible use of one that bothers me. And i dont mean malicious intent that is wrong from the intent of the criminal not the tool they use. Im sure it can go on a campus by campus basis...but larger universities probably shouldnt allow guns to be kept in their buildings, academic or residence. It wouldnt be a pins and needles situation because guns are already on a lot of these campus's. But its better if people get those for off campus and when they move off campus. Theres just too many people to account for, accidental discharges of rounds dont say...oh no my bad i was just playin. They might hit something or someone. And yes..college kids are that dumb, yes larger universities with a large enough pool of students 20k + will fuck up. The problem is no amount of reasoning will negate an accidental injury or death due to the college ENDORSING the carrying of fire arms. Thats not good for business, college is a business. Might not be rational but they arent going to sell a 40 person floor with 15 of those 40 packin heat and most of them 21 or under as a safe environment for a 17/ 18year old. In between all the drunkeness, tail gating, partying, sex runs, etc etc. With firearms involved, you wouldnt even have to be a part of that to get fucked up by someone being an idiot and letting one loose. So its going to be a hard sell to parents who pay the bill. But hey goodluck
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Yes, they actually tend to shoot their gun at a range more than once a year, they also have to worry about being responsible for their actions.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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You cannot buy automatic weapons at your gun store.
This is the problem with gun control advocates, they know little about gun laws and even less about guns. The only thing fucked up is the lack of knowledge by those who favor "gun control".
Supermanisdead
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Not enough guns.
EatinOlives
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Manos, you of all people should know your own post is incredibly disingenuous.
The point is the firing of a weapon on a potentially moving target in a life or death scenario. It's idiotic to think going to range magically gives anyone crazed-gunman-stopping abilities, especially on someone who has never been trained to handle such a situation. As little practice as police officers get, they're still better equipped than the average college kid.
Every shooting is premeditated!
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