Washington Post calls GameCube "obsolete", recommends PS2/Xbox for Holiday gifts...
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XS+ said:
Everything is a joke to you but you fail to understand the complexities of the market place. It is amazing to me the Xbox has achieved mass market accpetance given that they've really only broken out this year. So in essence I agree with you if we limit our context to numbers. It's not just about the number of titles. It's market accpetance and it does not matter who has how many.
objective list of AAA games? come on man. dont ask for the impossible. use the industry standard and use sales, PS2 had GTA:SA this year, and Xbox had Halo 2, one gigantic title each. GT4 was delayed, or that'd be one more for the PS2. PS2 also had MGS3. Xbox had lesser exclusives like NG and Fable. all of these titles sold well past 500,000+ and will continue to sell well (NG aside). and both consoles had online enabled sports/racing games from EA. so thats what makes them comparable, as far as the mainstream market goes. point of the article being, you arent going to lose out on any significant experience by buying either of the consoles.
Sysgen said:
Mass market acceptance? Compared to the performance of the PS1, last gen, within a similar timeframe, the Xbox has been anything but well received. Yes, Microsoft defied the expectations of those who predicted a summary collapse upon their system's introduction to the market. Still, its slight gains notwithstanding, the system cannot be held up as an equal to the PS2. PS2's has more support, sees more exclusives, and enjoys warmer receptivity by the market.
The existence of Mario Party 6 and Mario Power Tennis disagree with whatever he says about mainstream people. The high sales of the MK
D bundle also disagree. Wal-Mart accouting for 21% of game sales and Nintendo Power including Wal-Mart ads? NPD unfortunately doesn't have Wal-Mart, so any edge Nintendo has there is lost on paper.
If this is about existing titles, every console has enough to keep you busy if you haven't bought one yet. After 3/4 years, you think there aren't enough games on the Cube to last you until the next console? Bullshit.
If this is about recently released titles, this guy is really off his rocker. Metroid Prime 2 or Mario Power Tennis are games that just came out that anyone can enjoy.
If this is about upcoming titles, this guy is full of shit, because with Halo 2 out, Xbots have nothing left to wait for. PS2 and Xbox blew their load already and flooded the market wth too many titles to buy. While Halo 2, GTA:SA and MGS3 will survive, a lot of deserving titles, like POP:WW will get covered up. Nintendo has a steady release schedule until E3 when everyone reveals their console plans.
The Xbox has hardly caught up to Sony in the long term.
75 million versus 15 million consoles is a joke.
In month-to-month sales in Europe and America, yes, but not in installed userbase.
D bundle also disagree. Wal-Mart accouting for 21% of game sales and Nintendo Power including Wal-Mart ads? NPD unfortunately doesn't have Wal-Mart, so any edge Nintendo has there is lost on paper.If this is about existing titles, every console has enough to keep you busy if you haven't bought one yet. After 3/4 years, you think there aren't enough games on the Cube to last you until the next console? Bullshit.
If this is about recently released titles, this guy is really off his rocker. Metroid Prime 2 or Mario Power Tennis are games that just came out that anyone can enjoy.
If this is about upcoming titles, this guy is full of shit, because with Halo 2 out, Xbots have nothing left to wait for. PS2 and Xbox blew their load already and flooded the market wth too many titles to buy. While Halo 2, GTA:SA and MGS3 will survive, a lot of deserving titles, like POP:WW will get covered up. Nintendo has a steady release schedule until E3 when everyone reveals their console plans.
The Xbox has hardly caught up to Sony in the long term.
75 million versus 15 million consoles is a joke.
In month-to-month sales in Europe and America, yes, but not in installed userbase.
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Eh, I guess if I was a GCN fan, I might be in denial too. However it isn't surprising to those of us calling this situation since early this year. Since April XBX has been consistently selling around twice as much GCN in the US.
The big thing is getting games out. You guys talk about list wars, but XB2 will be out next Dec., yet at Gamestop or EB you can still look up twice as many upcoming XBX games than GCN ones. The other thing is that basically everywhere XBX has more shelf space now. TRU and Target are exceptions. Yeah, GCN may have 400 titles, but everywhere you go, the shelves display 50-100 more for XBX. At the big game sellers like Best Buy and Walmart, XBX has almost twice as much space.
The bottom line is that this is a mainstream publication that reflects the tastes of an average consumer much better than specialty game mag/site. Hardcore fans shouldn't cry and sell, but casuals who could care less have already sold (if they did buy) and moved on.
I agree that XBX achieving parity to PS2 in the minds of people like this is a much bigger deal than another GCN is weak article. This is what MS has been working so hard for and is banking on when they launch 1st next year. It isn't 50/50 yet, but even 35/65 would be welcome.
The big thing is getting games out. You guys talk about list wars, but XB2 will be out next Dec., yet at Gamestop or EB you can still look up twice as many upcoming XBX games than GCN ones. The other thing is that basically everywhere XBX has more shelf space now. TRU and Target are exceptions. Yeah, GCN may have 400 titles, but everywhere you go, the shelves display 50-100 more for XBX. At the big game sellers like Best Buy and Walmart, XBX has almost twice as much space.
The bottom line is that this is a mainstream publication that reflects the tastes of an average consumer much better than specialty game mag/site. Hardcore fans shouldn't cry and sell, but casuals who could care less have already sold (if they did buy) and moved on.
I agree that XBX achieving parity to PS2 in the minds of people like this is a much bigger deal than another GCN is weak article. This is what MS has been working so hard for and is banking on when they launch 1st next year. It isn't 50/50 yet, but even 35/65 would be welcome.
DSN2K said:
The previous poster is trying to say there are too many good titles to buy at once I think.
Quite honestly that's bullshit.
If you go to the store and 5 new titles come out that you want, you buy what you can afford or want to play today... you play through those and you go back and buy the rest.
Unlike the Nintendo release schedule where you have to wait as the dole out their AAA titles the other two consoles have a plethora of AAA titles so you can almost always find a AAA title that you haven't played whenever you go to shop for a title for those systems.
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Wow. A thoughtful post for the other side AND you have a Sudeki avatar. I'm impressed!
In an ideal world, buying AAA games later would be a perfect idea, but as we're arguing, it doesn't work. A game always decreases in sales from launch and releasing in November (Like Tron 2.0, a kickass game) is suicide. Many people already said it before. There's been countless "OMFG! MY WALLET!" threads, unlike last year, but no one bitched about a lack of games then.
In an ideal world, buying AAA games later would be a perfect idea, but as we're arguing, it doesn't work. A game always decreases in sales from launch and releasing in November (Like Tron 2.0, a kickass game) is suicide. Many people already said it before. There's been countless "OMFG! MY WALLET!" threads, unlike last year, but no one bitched about a lack of games then.
Bought the game for its looks and thats why I still have it.TheGreenGiant
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Didn't washington hired the black guy who didn't fact check and wrote a bunch of nonsensical articles before being caught out? This must be it...
/backs away from thread.
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/backs away from thread.
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Thats the New York TimesTheGreenGiant said:
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TheGreenGiant said:
damn...black guy.
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Musashi Wins! said:
at least I didn't call him homie or coloured (don't ban me...). I only recall his race from the reports. Okay.... AFRICAN AMERICAN.
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TheGreenGiant said:
lol, just giving you a hard time, thought it was funny. This whole thread is goofy.
XS+ said:
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the Xbox is now the PS2's equal. Sony's console still offers far more titles, including plenty of PS2-only titles (like Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas), but the Xbox delivers better graphics and has quite a few exclusive games of its own these days, such as Halo 2.
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Why are you arguing? He even says in a quantifiable context that's it's not equal but in a certain context it is. Give it up.
Smiles and Cries
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6 page of BS... "Only for Nintendo"
After the Sega Saturn, I couldn't help but become a multi-console gamer. All you cubers would be well advised to take the same route next time. Honestly, wait for a price drop, plunk down 200 bucks + a game or 2, and you don't have to get all worked up about this shit.
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I owned a GC for like a month, played all the good games for it, then got rid of it.
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Yeah, played through it one more time real quick after I played Zelda. I swear it looked nicer on GC.
Unison said:
Not in this thread, but certainly on this board. There's one guy here with over 80 GC games (but I think he's multiconsole).
MrAngryFace said:
Ah, cool. I remember recommending it to you, and wondered if you ever checked it out. Loved how they added more stuff that felt like an improvement (and weren't only like... minigames).
This happened to me too (but with GameCube), as I posted in another thread:drohne said:
Maybe some of my friends called the Washington Post (they're from the D.C. area).Teddman said:
The Abominable Snowman
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Only if you've been following Nintendo's release list religiously. Most casuals could care less. There's no comercially major game forseeable on the GC. Edit: Except Zelda!Sullichin said:
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The only reason I play my Xbox more than my Gamecube is because of the snes and n64 emulators.
I really feel sorry for casual gamers who're going to be duped into buying an Xbox now, those who aren't interested in XBL anyway.
Reading pieces like these they'd surely expect two or three more years of 1st party support from Microsoft. Next year MGS have Conker, Forza and ummm... yeah two announced 1st party games pretty much sums it up. The console has just jumped the shark and will be replaced with a non-bc machine within a year yet idiots are telling people its a good casual investment equal to PS2. Sad.
Reading pieces like these they'd surely expect two or three more years of 1st party support from Microsoft. Next year MGS have Conker, Forza and ummm... yeah two announced 1st party games pretty much sums it up. The console has just jumped the shark and will be replaced with a non-bc machine within a year yet idiots are telling people its a good casual investment equal to PS2. Sad.
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I'll give you Zelda.Unison said:
JoshuaJSlone
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Almost here. My dad wasn't using his PS2 so he gave it to my brother and I, but I mostly use it for PS1 games; FFX and GTA3 being the exceptions. There's plenty I'd like to have, but there's enough higher priority GCN/GBA stuff that I don't get anyway.Unison said: