Washington Post calls GameCube "obsolete", recommends PS2/Xbox for Holiday gifts...

Unison said:
Zelda? RE4?

Zelda yes. Resident Evil has not been commercially viable for about five years now. The brand is about as dead to consumers as Tomb Raider.

cja said:
I really feel sorry for casual gamers who're going to be duped into buying an Xbox now, those who aren't interested in XBL anyway.

Reading pieces like these they'd surely expect two or three more years of 1st party support from Microsoft. Next year MGS have Conker, Forza and ummm... yeah two announced 1st party games pretty much sums it up. The console has just jumped the shark and will be replaced with a non-bc machine within a year yet idiots are telling people its a good casual investment equal to PS2. Sad.

If you honestly think the only first party Xbox games in 2005 are those two that are released before May, you are an IDOT.
 
cja forgot Jade Empire. Pirates! should be coming to Xbox too, right? If the Pirates! port isn't screwed up, that's a purchase for me.

That's about it though. If I'm still working retail by next year, I'll definitely get Conker for $8.50...
 
Incognito said:
I fucking hate my GameCube. I'd sell it, but the $40 in return just isn't enough for my tastes.

throw it off a hotel balcony. you'll feel like a rock star.
 
AniHawk said:
Not in this thread, but certainly on this board. There's one guy here with over 80 GC games (but I think he's multiconsole).


I only have a Gamecube (unless you count handhelds/older consoles), and I have 80 Cube games (counting the preview disc).
 

66 Titles. Not too shabby. Some I'm not proud of, but I'm up there.
I have some PS2 games, (Jak, Ratchet, eyetoy play, DMC, C:LOI, Burnout, Taiko Drum Master) but not enough to consider me a non-Nintendo whore.
 
I disagree on RE4. It's managed to sell 1 million in REmake. It's going to do better on PS2 than GC, and I expect at least 300-600K for the GC version. It'll basically be kinda like the Splinter Cell situation.
 
Amir0x said:
80 Cube Games.



Jesus Christ.

It's really not that hard to do. I have 37 N64 games, and that's like 20% of the system's library.

Hell, I'm still on the prowl for three I missed (Sin & Punishment, RE2, and OB64).
 
rawk said:
I hope you mean that as in "Jesus Christ that's an impressive collection!" and not as in "Jesus Christ you have no life!"

I meant it in a "Jesus Christ, there aren't 80 quality Cube titles even if you sucked Nintendo's dick and got them to cum all their quality titles for the next two years into your mouth."
 
I hate to do this, but it's ridiculous to assume PS2 hasn't had 6 AAA games this year. I mean, just in the last few months PS2 has gotten Jak 3, MGS3, R&C3, GTA:SA, Ace Combat 5, and Sly2. And that's just in the past 2 months or so.
 
I only own a GC, and I don't really care. I also don't play nearly as many games as I used to. There are most certainly things that interest me on other consoles, but I just don't have to money to buy another system. I will eventually get a PS2 (I got a PS1 two years ago), but I'm in no hurry. I will buy the next Nintendo system, but not a PS3 or Xbox2 (or atleast not for a few years after they're out). Plain and simple I perfer the games Nintendo makes more than any other company. I of course have a PC, and there are still plenty of games for that, old and new.

I am certainly devoted to them, but that's because I've gotten the most enjoyment from them. I have nothing against other companys, and I'm glad they are there.

I recognize Nintendo is no longer the king in the market, and could careless. As long as they make games that I want I will be there and support them. Should one day the only place to find their games is on another platform, well that's what I'll purchase.

As of right now I have too many games to get to, and that I still want to get. I'm in the midst of Pikmin 2, then there's still PM2, HM, ToS, LoZ:WW, and I'll probably pick up MP2 MK: DD. Plus I still have a bunch of PC games I want to get to (that is an eternal problem though) as well as GBA games.

Being a GC only (well mainly) gamer is fine by me. I don't care about their marketshare, I just accept Nintendo for what they are.
 
Amir0x said:
I meant it in a "Jesus Christ, there aren't 80 quality Cube titles even if you sucked Nintendo's dick and got them to cum all their quality titles for the next two years into your mouth."

A lot are multiconsole, like EA and Activision games (which could equal something like 25 titles right there).
 
Fei said:
I hate to do this, but it's ridiculous to assume PS2 hasn't had 6 AAA games this year. I mean, just in the last few months PS2 has gotten Jak 3, MGS3, R&C3, GTA:SA, Ace Combat 5, and Sly2. And that's just in the past 2 months or so.

I like to add Shin Megami Tensei and Katamari Damacy and Phantom Brave and, shit, I'd like to add a whole lot more to that list :p
 
Well I don't only buy Nintendo-made titles. More than half of them are multiplatform, and a bunch of the remaining games are third party.

I'm actually surprised at how many of them are multiplatform now that I've counted them.
 
Anyone who thinks GCN isn't obsolete needs to get out. I'm a GameCube fan, I love the console, but it's the underdog -- that's for sure. Perhaps things will change eventually, maybe they won't. I enjoy my GCN, it's great, but Nintendo screwed up this generation worse than it did the last one. We'll see how Revolution materializes.

At least DS is selling well.
 
Amir0x said:
I like to add Shin Megami Tensei and Katamari Damacy and Phantom Brave and, shit, I'd like to add a whole lot more to that list :p

I'd like to take away Phantom Brave from that list.
 
AniHawk said:
cja forgot Jade Empire. Pirates! should be coming to Xbox too, right? If the Pirates! port isn't screwed up, that's a purchase for me.

That's about it though. If I'm still working retail by next year, I'll definitely get Conker for $8.50...
Jade Empire isn't an MGS title but I guess it is technically published and probably funded by Microsoft so fair enough. Still, nothing officially confirmed beyond March and with the Xenon due later in the year publishers aren't going to be putting new or exclusive IP onto Xbox. The "journalist" who wrote this article is screwing his readers by saying the Xbox is equivalent to PS2 or that the Xbox has better upcoming exclusive software than the GC.
 
I'm actually back-logged on games to buy.

I Still need Donkey Konga, 4 Swords, POP 2, VJ2, Metroid Prime 2, Paper Mario 2, Baten Kaitos, hell I still need to get a copy of Mario Kart DD.

So even if Nintendo decided to never release another game for GC, I'd still have tons of games to buy. But again, that's just me.
 
Amir0x said:
I'm very passionate about SRPGs, and Phantom Brave happens to be at the top for me ;)

I realized too late that you were probably the poster who wrote a novel on why PB is better than FFT in another thread.
 
AniHawk said:
I realized too late that you were probably the poster who wrote a novel on why PB is better than FFT in another thread.

Two novels! I also wrote a novel about why Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis is infinitely better than Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.
 
AniHawk said:
A lot are multiconsole, like EA and Activision games (which could equal something like 25 titles right there).
Yeah. With one console, that's where the 3rd-party games go. It's sad some people pretend 3rd-party games don't count for anything in some snobby way. F'ing bastards only play AAA-Exclusive Xbox titles. ("Feh, Prince of Persia is crap, I much prefer the superior EXCLUSIVE Blinx!")
 
drohne said:
edit: and could anyone here -- in good conscience, at this point, considering the well-being of the purchaser rather than the well-being of nintendo -- recommend the gamecube to a casual gamer? as an only system?

This man speaks the truth.
 
Yeah, my collection is mostly third party. If anyone wants to know what makes up an 80 game Cube collection, I have:

27 Nintendo
10 EA
7 Sega
4 Activision
4 Namco
4 Capcom
3 Lucasarts
3 Ubisoft
2 Acclaim
2 THQ
2 Atari
2 TDK

And 10 games from some other companies. Though Nintendo is clearly my favorite publisher, about 2/3 of my purchases are from others.
 
Unison said:
Didn't the Cube sell something like 250,000 units in since the Mario Kart bundle was released?
I still can't find the article or press release of this info. Please someone direct me. :)
 
Willco said:
Not to add fuel to the fire, but is the only counter attack for Nintendo fans Resident Evil 4?

... C'mon, it's not even a GameCube exclusive and freakin' Zelda comes out next year. How come nobody says, "Don't forget Zelda!"

What I really want to know is if there is some brochure all you guys get that tell you how to defend GameCube on Internet forums.

Reggie gives out talking points?
 
cja said:
Jade Empire isn't an MGS title but I guess it is technically published and probably funded by Microsoft so fair enough. Still, nothing officially confirmed beyond March and with the Xenon due later in the year publishers aren't going to be putting new or exclusive IP onto Xbox. The "journalist" who wrote this article is screwing his readers by saying the Xbox is equivalent to PS2 or that the Xbox has better upcoming exclusive software than the GC.
No.
ManaByte said:
EB Games upcoming GCN releases: 27
EB Games upcoming Xbox releases: 76
EB Games upcoming PS2 releases: 93

Going by casual interests and tastes, XBX is a better deal for the upcoming year. Even going by snob tastes in here, saying half the PS2 and XBX games are trash and every GCN is at least decent, that's still more games for XBX and almost double for PS2.


Man, this is setting GCN up for something really insulting if XBX sells more this time next year than GCN after the Xenon launch. It's like when PSOne was almost selling more in 02.
 
well.. let see...

xbox is not on shelves
ps2 is not on shelves
(or hard to find)

GC is everywhere by the sounds of it. I think I hear the gears of the momentum train chugging into 2005.

:)
 
Firstly, I own three consoles, but I call bullshit.
For a start: in every single regard barre first party hardware/software sales, and the quality of the products therein.... GCN >>>>> N64.

And with regard to what Drohne said, yes, I'd recommend a Gamecube to any gamer and keep a clear conscience. They're good machines with great games.

While I would agree with the Washington Post if they had said the other consoles have the greater variety of westernised games, umpteen times more online titles etc... the statement is just wrong. There are still great games on Gamecube you can't get anywhere else. And if they're talking in terms of hardware sales, retail support or whatever - it's still around, and in global terms it's no more obselete than Xbox. Even third party support is better now than it ever was on Nintendo 64. So really: Obselete is not the term I would have used if I wanted to convey that the typical American gamer favors Xbox and PS2, and the wealth of titles they offer. There may be fewer titles overall on Gamecube, but it could be argued a greater percentage of it's SKUs are of a moderate to high quality. At least to some tastes. There's the whole niche that always prefers Nintendo's style, their core demographics young and older. They know there's only one place they can play the entire Resident Evil series inclusive of it's remake and prequel. They know there's only one place where they can get Mario, Zelda, Metroid. Party games like Wario Ware, Mario Kart, Mario Party and for the time being Super Monkey Ball. The Metal Gear Solid remake. Games like Eternal Darkness, F Zero GX, Donkey Konga, the forthcoming Jungle Beat and many more. They know that for the bulk of 05 it's the only place they can play Resident Evil 4. And it's where Zelda will hit next year long after a lot of the competitions' biggest titles have had their limelight. It's not obselete to them. It's definately not obselete technologically. If another paper decided to write something up saying 4 controller ports make consoles with only 2 obselete, or loading times in the milliseconds made consoles that suffer from longer loading times obselete -- some people here would actually be up in arms, even though it's probably a more rational statement. For a console that will always be cheaper than the other two: a console that has, and will have even more, titles that many people could find enjoyable -- I don't see why you wouldn't consider recommending it to someone.

I can't believe the thread is still going. From page one it was evident where this would go.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=25667
I don't find 250,000 particularly impressive, though, considering that it's for the latter half of November.
Ok, so it's from Nintendo's press release.

Anyway, you're right considering they sold 468k 2 years ago and 754k last year. Although, Amazon lists the bundle availability starting Nov. 2nd. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. Hopefully they've sold as many non-MK bundles for November too.
 
Subitai said:
Ok, so it's from Nintendo's press release.

Anyway, you're right considering they sold 468k 2 years ago and 754k last year. Although, Amazon lists the bundle availability starting Nov. 2nd. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. Hopefully they've sold as many non-MK bundles for November too.

Should be interesting... either they're not doing as well as the PR makes it sound like they are, or a slowdown has started to settle in. I missed the Oct numbers so I don't know if there was any kind of leap across the board, but what with shortages I wouldn't really know. I know that the top threshold for Aug and Sept on any console was approx 250/260k. Nintendo haven't sold 170k+ since Christmas 2003.
 
TheGreenGiant said:
well.. let see...

xbox is not on shelves
ps2 is not on shelves
(or hard to find)

GC is everywhere by the sounds of it. I think I hear the gears of the momentum train chugging into 2005.

:)

u gotta be kidding!!! what use is the system with no games?
 
I think this thread pretty much proves how nintendo fans earned their "reputation".
Time to go back to the halo 2 sells 5 million thread.
 
drohne said:
edit: and could anyone here -- in good conscience, at this point, considering the well-being of the purchaser rather than the well-being of nintendo -- recommend the gamecube to a casual gamer? as an only system?

For someone who doesn't have an interest in realistic racers/shooters, and wants to save $50 or more? Absolutely. I'd definitely recommend it to someone younger.

In fact, I'd recommend it over Xbox in general unless they like racers and online games. Xbox will be just as dead if not more dead than Gamecube in a year to make way for Xenon. I still see big titles on the release schedule for Gamecube...Xbox has Jade Empire and Conker, that's pretty much it for interesting exclusives.
 
Catchpenny said:
For someone who doesn't have an interest in realistic racers/shooters, and wants to save $50 or more? Absolutely. I'd definitely recommend it to someone younger.

In fact, I'd recommend it over Xbox in general unless they like racers and online games. Xbox will be just as dead if not more dead than Gamecube in a year to make way for Xenon. I still see big titles on the release schedule for Gamecube...Xbox has Jade Empire and Conker, that's pretty much it for interesting exclusives.

And if someone isn't interested in quirky Nintendo games? What will the Gamecube have to offer such an individual aside from Zelda?
 
Catchpenny said:
For someone who doesn't have an interest in realistic racers/shooters, and wants to save $50 or more? Absolutely. I'd definitely recommend it to someone younger.

In fact, I'd recommend it over Xbox in general unless they like racers and online games. Xbox will be just as dead if not more dead than Gamecube in a year to make way for Xenon. I still see big titles on the release schedule for Gamecube...Xbox has Jade Empire and Conker, that's pretty much it for interesting exclusives.


Ummm, what about KOTOR II?? Forza?? Unreal Championship 2?? Doom 3?? That Mech Wolf game?? Splinter Cell Chaos Theory??? Those plus the ones you mentioned are PLENTY for anybody.
 
MrparisSM said:
Ummm, what about KOTOR II?? Forza?? Unreal Championship 2?? Doom 3?? That Mech Wolf game?? Splinter Cell Chaos Theory??? Those plus the ones you mentioned are PLENTY for anybody.

I think he meant besides racers and online games. And shooters too I guess.
 
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