Monochromaticx
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holy shit what a finale
hoooooly shit that was amazing!!!
hoooooly shit that was amazing!!!
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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sems4arsenal
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What a finale to a great season, gutted we have to wait this long. Is Halley Gross returning or is she only working on TLOU part 2?
Yeah for sure. Season 2 is maybe the best season of a tv show from the last 10 years.
Yeah. Season 2 had one of the best scenes I've ever seen on TV.
Both season finales were something else though. Jesus christ I have to rewatch The Leftovers.
DrROBschiz
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NOw here is what i dont understand
how does a season 2 even occur
we are talking massive cover up and basically the machines in charge of the park
I suppose they machine machine copies of the humans they killed and slowly hatch a plan the entice top human power players into the park to eventually replace them and take over the world?
how does a season 2 even occur
we are talking massive cover up and basically the machines in charge of the park
I suppose they machine machine copies of the humans they killed and slowly hatch a plan the entice top human power players into the park to eventually replace them and take over the world?
Yeah my biggest problem with the ep is that Dolores absolutely broke the shit out of his arm was in process of killing him until he gave her a fatal stab wound and he just shrugs it off like he wasn't in any real danger complaining to Ford? What's the point blah blah, blah if this isn't real, wtf. If you stab someone in the gut like that in real life most likely they aren't going to keep coming at you either.
I'm sure Dolores never displayed that kind of force and he didn't really give her a chance to actually kill him. What the fuck does he want? Clearly it's like he wants to die but simultaneously refuses to let it happen when it actually seems to be in the process of happening.
In other words, William/mib is just a whiny rich asshole.
And then he's too dumb to figure out the maze and what actually just happened with dolores, so I guess AH rightfully just let's him stew a bit longer until the host herd shoots him.
Other than that, excellent episode.
The Maeve storyline now makes at least some sense as a plan to distract the security forces away from the gala.
DrROBschiz
Member
I think he wants to be killed
I dunno he is a really bizarre character
I dunno he is a really bizarre character
andythinkpad
Member
Yes! And he can give his final speech again in the reception.
Baldwin_the_First
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Fantastic season with outstanding performanes by Dolores's actress, man in black and Antony Hopkins. But seriously, the hole that is left from Hopkin's character's death will be huge to fill in for next season. It's a damn shame we won't see him anymore.
No it really happened. It was the show nailing in the point of how fake the park is. When there's no humans around the illusion fades. It had nothing to do with the lockdown, it was just normal energy saving procedures.
PHOENIXZERO
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William seemed pretty happy about being shot, getting what he's wanted.
It probably wasn't intended but I LOL's at Ford's "fuck ya'll I'm out" speech just before Delores killed him.
It probably wasn't intended but I LOL's at Ford's "fuck ya'll I'm out" speech just before Delores killed him.
Who knows. Maybe the host he was building was a body of him.
PrivateWHudson
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Maybe they can get Vince Vaughn in there.
Monochromaticx
Member
i teared up.
bangbang i'm a timpani
Banned
i'm not even sure this show needs or would work in a second season
DrROBschiz
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yeah that kind of how i feel about it
like the endgame is basically how sentient AI lifeforms either
1 - take full control of their safe space with no one being the wiser
2 - build up to install themselves as the new race for the entire world
Baldwin_the_First
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Maybe. Dolores would have known if it was a sentient though, no? Same as Maeve did with Bernard. Unless it was all part of Ford's plan and Dolores understood she had to make it seem he was dead in case there were survivors.. Its far fetched but it's a possibility I guess..
Legit lol'd on that one. Good one
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
First season is eh, second goes batshit. Worth seeing both seasons.
Phil Noto did this cool piece:
This more than anything else made me realize this is gonna be a Telltale game soon enough.
DrROBschiz
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Seems somewhat likely
At the very least they need to hide the fact they murdered so many human beings somehow
Im guessing they just build machine versions of them but... i dont know how they make teh machine versions blend in completely unless they have a way to extract human memories
Monochromaticx
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i feel the same way. and the second season wont have hopkins either ...
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Yeesh.
BattleMonkey
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I don't think the machines will take over. I imagine they will have a time skip, the hosts eventually put down, but the park now has the problem of their evolving robots. Imagine getting the park back under control and trying to "fix" the problems will be a major aspect of it.
Or some who survive, will become "rebels" within the world of the park, trying to free the other hosts, etc
SuperStiltzkin
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And get Nick Pizzolotto to write his dialogue.
DrROBschiz
Member
no way?
like even how? I imagine there is a counter measure in place though
I forgot about the robot they smuggled out with all the data (dolores father)
That said with all the deaths from the party... even one dead person at the hands of a robotic AI would spark such a heavy response from the world at large.
Shit we are already weary of it now
Baldwin_the_First
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I wanna see Eastworld for season 2 lol.
holygeesus
Banned
Nolan said in the brief interview after the HBO stream, that the 2nd season's premise would be 'chaos' whatever he means by that.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
The threat of a new, hyper advanced lifeform that's absolutely pissed and how to contain it. Its a paradigm shift that's gonna be interesting to see play out. How that'll work into ten more hours, no idea.
DrROBschiz
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the way i see it
if the outside world ever got wind of homicidal fully aware AI robots killing humans
thats like straight up snuff out immediately territory. Fire and brimstone
I think part of why they didnt immediately kill William is that maybe someone understands that key people at the party will either need to be kept alive or replaced (by robots)
Are they magic then? I thought the point of showing exactly how much fluid was in them was to show how they worked. They are wet wear but that still requires coolant and other lubricants to keep that system moving.
They aren't terminators, we've seen the insides of the current generation. They are organic, with some similar weaknesses. When Bernard shot himself in the head Felix had to first fix the wound before he could be rebooted. Implying that the head is a pretty big weakness. They also mentioned how powerful their processors were in the past but they weren't on a server and are local to the host.
Maev also is apparently unable to network with any of the technology in the park outside of typing fast on the tablet and verbal commands. So the hosts don't, at least as of yet, have any means to use digital communication with anything.
BattleMonkey
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William and any survivors are likely gonna try and cover this up, we of course don't know what the world is like outside the park either, but of course the original Westworld movie did get a sequel, where they basically tried again after the huge tragedy of the first park. And of course we saw same with Jurrasic Park sequels.
Really depends if the 2nd season continues where the firs leaves off or we gonna have a bit of a time jump.
Man is black is Ed Harris, have some respect!
More_Badass
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That was the milk he was drinking pouring out.
The fuck is this shit? Just redirects me to HBONordic. Geofenced webpages? Really? For a show that airs world wide? For a show that I just watched on HBONordic? Fucking hell...
DrROBschiz
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Well its not like the Hosts are terminators or are as numerous as humans
They are still quite vulnerable even if they are capable
https://www.thrillist.com/entertain...2-premiere-date-plot-cast-what-we-know-so-far
The differences between humans and hosts will be explored
"[The hosts'] construction and their power source is something we're really going to get into during Season 2... They're closer to biological than they are to mechanical, but they don't suffer brain death the same way we do. They're largely indistinguishable from a human beings, but their brains don’t require oxygen -- which opens up interesting possibilities. Their brains are not as fragile as ours. On one hand, their cognition is controllable and malleable, but on a structural level they can’t be killed in the same way you and I can. There are advantages and disadvantages to being a host. Season 2 we’ll be exploring more the nuts and bolts of what they are -- as the hosts themselves are trying to understand." -- Nolan (to Entertainment Weekly)
This article has some interesting preview info like how season 2 will explore how hosts actually work mechanically and biologically.
Artificial intelligence isnt quite enough of a weapon to conquer the world and that might not even be the aspiration of the hosts anyways
Oh one thing from the finale. People complained last week about why Maeve would bother burning herself alive instead of just dying an easier way, and we learned that she did this so she would be fully rebuilt and they could replace the explosive in her spine with a clean vertebrae, of course.
BattleMonkey
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Which is interesting since the hosts are still gonna be trapped in the park cause of the explosives. It will be a crutch keeping them in while the humans are trying to get things back in order
DrROBschiz
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Oh well that seems obvious haha! I like thise small details but ive been conditioned to not really complain about them too much
Storytellers that focus on the small details and hols are great but I found fighting over that stuff ruins my enjoyment of the medium
Nice catch either way
More_Badass
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That's an interesting question. With consciousness comes "what does it mean to be a host". How does a host-driven society function without the need to eat or sleep or even learn or be taught because you can just change your own self parameters at while? What does that look like?
Veritigo_X
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Do deactivated hosts (the ones storming the party) still have active explosives? They didn't seem to factor that into the plan of getting Papa Abernathy out of the park.
Jack Scofield
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Definitely. It was an amazing scene. I actually got emotional. They did a fantastic job showing the "birth" of consciousness.
would rather have a proper third season.