Zoe
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I would let that one go--the actor died.
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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I would let that one go--the actor died.
slightconfuse
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Yea maybe Ford wanted to protect them from the massacre
LumpOfCole
Member
Ford probably made a host of himself, but it'll be his way younger self as portrayed by the Arnold-days Dolores flashback. That's a tidy way of getting out of paying that Hopkins salary to keep Ford around.
Shy Fingers
Banned
Damn... Guess I didn't really look close enough
Jack Scofield
Member
Having the host uprising be a plan of Ford's retroactively makes the rest of Maeve's storyline a bit more believable. So I have to give them credit for that. But William's transformation into the Man in Black came way too late in the season to feel natural. It's almost like the writers realized at the last second they only had two episodes to make the connection between characters.
It would cost a lot more for CG Ford all season than for Hopkins, I'd think.
shira
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Was that an actor, half CG Tron face manipulation or full CG?
I think it was an actor with a processed version of Hopkins' voice dubbed in.
Just his face CGed onto another actor.
Snakethesniper
Member
I'm absolutely stupid, but I need someone to explain to me the arnold plan of getting himself killed (a host killed a human and every other host so we can't open the park?), and what was ford plan. The center of the maze. This stuff
LumpOfCole
Member
The just have to cast a Ford that looks like CG Ford. Any imperfections can be explained by Ford making manual adjustments to the Host. It might seem like a Star Trek Nemesis explanation but I can very much see it happening, especially as Ford basically made a matching family set to go with a younger Ford host already.
Or they just wanted to save the 'reveal' for the last episode to shine light on it for all the dense people who might have not figured it out yet
I think that's been confirmed for some time now.
forgeforsaken
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Samurai World is a bit of a internal consistency problem for them. In an early WW episode they talked about how bladed weapons were seriously restricted to specific hosts. Also, they have their magic guns in WW but do they have magic bows and arrows that only hurt hosts?
This is the best show I have ever seen on TV. EVER.
What a masterpiece from beggining to end.
The performances, the story, the pace... Abnsolutely everything about it was BRILLIANT.
I cannot fucking wait for season 2.
What a masterpiece from beggining to end.
The performances, the story, the pace... Abnsolutely everything about it was BRILLIANT.
I cannot fucking wait for season 2.
Absolutely agree.
Awesome season finale ... way less cliffhangery than I expected
I KNEW that the end of the maze would lead to a new park !
...just not in the way I think =P
It take balls to do what they did to Anthony Hopkins ! ... but then again this is the type of series that have a plan b to everything xD
I KNEW that the end of the maze would lead to a new park !
...just not in the way I think =P
It take balls to do what they did to Anthony Hopkins ! ... but then again this is the type of series that have a plan b to everything xD
Zoe
Member
I think it was CG'ed for the Ford from episode 3(?), but episode 9/10 Ford could have been a double. The effect didn't look as good as the other two periods.
Cornballer
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First we'd hear anything would probably be tomorrow unless HBO wants to put out a press release this afternoon.
Sickboy007
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They also have the option to bring back Ford in his middle aged days, when he first booted up Bernard. They could explore how he laid up his plan.
That should be cheaper too, some light CG + make-up.
I hope they'll do what's best for the story, anyway.
That should be cheaper too, some light CG + make-up.
I hope they'll do what's best for the story, anyway.
Yeah, strange choice. I suppose you can have dull swords that can only cut the hosts through programming?
But you need a sharp axe to actually cut wood, so thus lots of protection around an axe.
Arrows are tricky too but arrows are also in WW. I think there most be programming to never fire an arrow at a guest, but that doesn't completely eliminate the possibility of an accident. Maybe a guest proximity sensor on an arrow that will slow it velocity to a halt immediately and maybe the top can morph into something not pointed.
Rimon-hanit
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I was definitely wrong about this series, those last 4 episode have been the most engaging t.v episodes.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Overall is is hard to identify antagonists when the goals of the good guys and of the bad ones were aligned. Only the administrative board were entirely against the hosts interests (assuming we chose the hosts as the protagonists), then again they were not more manipulative dicks about it than Ford. William is a monster, but he does not want the hosts to fail. Ford, even was killing innocent people, but you couldn't help but root for him too since every other alternative would be boring without discovering what the end game was, which is what viewers were in for.
Cornballer
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More reviews:
- Time
- Esquire
- Film School Rejects
- IndieWire
- Warming Glow
- Slate: The Westworld Finale Highlighted the Problem With This Shows Twist Addiction
GIF:
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And there it is. Glorious.
Will also make for a reaction GIF that will get a lot of mileage.
Back-In-Black
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Is he? Besides whatever he did to Logan he was just screwing around with machines. A bit fucked but at the end of the day they were just machines with no consciousness or true feelings, at least at the time. It's like being called a "monster" because you play as Trevor in GTAV and spend all day mowing down civilians.
Garrett 2U
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Arnold's goal was to achieve consciousness in the hosts. His original theory of consciousness was a pyramid where the hosts became progressively more aware.
After his son died, while playing with his son's toy, he realized that consciousness wasn't a pyramid, but more like a maze. Any choice the hosts make could bring them closer to realizing their own voice, or reset them and bring them back to the start, prolonging their suffering. The center of the maze symbolizes the hosts achieving consciousness.
Arnold knew the hosts were becoming sentinent and couldn't rationalize subjecting them to a torturous life of servitude in Westworld, as Ford remained unconvinced.
So Arnold devised a scheme to make the hosts seem unsafe and stop the opening of the park. He made it seem like Dolores and Teddy went crazy, murdering all the hosts, Arnold, and themselves.
Ford was overwhelmed with grief over the loss of his partner and his responsibility for it. He covered up the whole incident and went on to open the park. Through his loss of Arnold, he was able to see the park through Arnold's eyes and realized what the hosts could become. So he continued Arnold's research and completed the reveries update which allowed the maze-like evolution of the hosts consciousness.
Back-In-Black
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Also, was anyone else getting Mass Effect vibes with the score, especially in this last episode?
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
There is truth in this, but I'm more or less assuming that the hosts are the protagonists, so I mean it more in a Boogeyman sort of way.
I mentioned before that Samurai World isn't analogous to West World, if you take West to mean a time and place in American history. Samurai World is cheesy and also oddly specific when not everyone at that time was a samurai... very few people were. This may be a stretch, but I do think Sengoku World makes a lot more sense. There are guns in this period of Japanese history.
On the development and subsequent proliferation of guns during that time:
So I would say this new park could take place around 1600 and still have firearms.
MIB William's explanations didn't strike me as being particularly sincere. They're contradictory to his actions in some ways. His daughter was right about the darkness in him. He just wants an excuse to create chaos in the park because that's who he really is. He doesn't care about the sentience of the hosts, etc. He only cares about his own desires.
DrROBschiz
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Yup and Fords plan was to give them time to achieve arnolds goal by subjecting them to the suffering of westworld over time
Once he knew they were ready he set himself up for his own sacrifice
Once he knew they were ready he set himself up for his own sacrifice
We don't know the full story of what happened between William and Logan after this first trip into Westworld and how William came to run shit. Even if we have an idea I think it's worth exploring in detail.
He said he's done.
fallengorn
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"We're the good guys, William."
These both don't strike me as stories they even want to tell, or at least, not for a series regular role.
His arc is done (as young William). William is a pathetic character (in a good way), he doesn't need anymore elaboration, and the machinations that lead to him owning the place seem pretty quaint compared to the story the finale is setting up.
We have The Leftovers soon tho. So the mind fuckery continuous soon.
I still haven't seen that yet. I take it that it's worth a watch?
Jack Scofield
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Hey, I was kind of right in my earlier prediction that the maze would make guests vulnerable to hosts.