More_Badass
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Yeah, we were discussing that earlier. Some very intriguing clues
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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This show went from mild interest to OH SHIT! It's Birgitte Nyborg Christensen from Borgen!
I hope they use her a lot.
I hope they use her a lot.
That's all he's ever going to be. It's like he decided to leave Philly for a while.
Hope it's worth the investment.
PhazonBlazer
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Oh wow, that was Liam McPoyle
LiquidSword
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I'm not convinced because the whole theme at the beginning of the episode with William was that Westworld is where you find out who you truly are. Then Dr. Ford subverts that with his speech about how the guests already know who they are. To then reverse it again and say nope Will did find out who he really was would feel thematically inconsistent, but if this twist is going to be way down the line maybe it won't matter. I may be bias as well because I agree with Dr. Ford's philosophy and I really liked the way they flipped that at the end.
More_Badass
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But The Man In Black subverts that by saying he was born in the park.
Also this; https://i.gyazo.com/cdfdbd96a80f2fb212c382ee608f2f12.png
I was like PICK IT, THAT ONE, YOU KNOW IT. Aw.
You're missing part of the speech. Ford also suggests it is about them finding out "who they could be" that is said right when William meets Delores, and more than fits thematically.
ok wait, let me make sure I understand correctly. Is the idea here that this show also has TIME TRAVEL?
because otherwise, they're both guests as far as we know, which means they're both actual people. what am I missing here? is the suggestion time travel or something else like brain transfer shit
More_Badass
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No, not time travel but that the show is taking place at different times (the current plot, and the events that lead to the critical failure 30 years ago)
No more that the
other scenes are literally in the past, the park has been there that long,
We already know some of these hosts have been around a long, long time.
The idea is that it's a flashback. The hosts are ageless and have been around for a long time. Delores looked the same and was likely in that same routine for like 50 years, and she's the only element we see him really interact with, and she appears normal.
If we see William interact with her and she's glitching out like before, or if he was in a scene with Thandie Newton's character freaking out, or passed by a member of the staff we know (since they age), it would suggest his story is in the present, but for now it's a possibility we're seeing his origin story of 30 years ago.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
No time travel, just the theory that the scenes with William take place 30 years or so before the current show timeline.
More_Badass
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This is all speculation based on the first two episodes, you don't need to spoiler-tag it
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
He was attracted to Westworld by the abundance of milk.
Also I was under the impression the stories were fixed everyday or so, they even go for small adjustments here and there, but EP1 to EP2 this same spot has a different scenario.
https://i.gyazo.com/78650fb6566efc700fbf11fd59b58ba7.png
https://i.gyazo.com/78650fb6566efc700fbf11fd59b58ba7.png
LiquidSword
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That's what I mean. "Born" would imply he did find out who he was which would go against what Dr. Ford said.
I got that part. I thought it was more foreshadowing that he was going to be the guest to notice there's something deeper there with the robots because he treats them with respect. And just generally I think he means that good hearted people can have a chance to say save someone's life or something like that in a future where day to day life is pretty boring and being a good person doesn't mean much because most things are out of your control.
This just proves that Teddy is William is The Man In Black
So they take a break and come back to the park, or he knew that ahead of time? I think this season will be a single romp in the park.
More_Badass
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Could be, or a beloved sibling that died. I don't see Ford as the kind of person that would recreate himself, but I do see him as someone who might have created this tech for a personal reason
The quote about the fathers saying similar things and them wearing similar outfits implies a connection
Then why did he say, "one day we may even ressurect the dead" if he had already done it?
More_Badass
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If this season is really a current plot and a flashback plot about the critical failure, then the show gets to have its cake and eat it too.
A heady tale about the orign of a synthetic species, and a park disaster if/when the hosts go homicidal
A heady tale about the orign of a synthetic species, and a park disaster if/when the hosts go homicidal
Perhaps he feels having an robotic replacement isn't the same as resurrecting the actual person?
I thought it was his son that had died. He said a quote, and the boy said his father used to say the same thing. Then Ford goes on about how to the creator the magic is only fleeting to him since he knows the truth of every action, so its hard for him to be fooled by the world. Like a programmer of game will see his game differently than someone who can get engrossed in the world. He only sees the programming. He then says goodbye to boy, and he powers down.
I figure he created his son as a robot to attempt to bring back his son, but he is only slightly distracted by him since he knows he is just a creation of his. He wishes he could be fooled like the guests of the park. This may also tie into his earlier statement to saying wishfully hoping for the the human race to be able to resurrect the dead since they have already conquered sickness.
It would fit the video game theme given Assassin's Creed. But it's clearly not given that they have a staff writer and we see the same people in different roles and different people in the same roles.
Nothing explicitly said yet I think, but there are several theories on how it is in the same continuity.
Kind of irritating to be honest, coming in here and half of the discussion is around elements of the original movie. I feel like I have an obligation to go back and watch it instead of there just being tiny nods to it. Not sure how interested I am in doing that either. :/
Westworld: Blood & Sand & Milk
Break, his girlfriend/wife is the reason he hasn't embraced the park, why he hasn't been (can't be) born or discovered who he could be there, yet.
Yeah I thought that was what the scene was. He's programmed a young him. Their father's both said the same thing didn't they?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I don't think "same continuity" is quite accurate. There's theories that the events of the movie also happened in the TV show, but not that they exist in the same "universe", if that distinction makes sense
Mr. E. Yis
Banned
So I was wondering about the entrance lady host who was helping William. She mentions to William for him to ask the obvious question if she is real. From her words and actions in the scenes, she is obviously not human, a host. Since she is one of the park's entrance hosts, they get the question often.
But this makes entrance hosts totally unique from regular park hosts. They are hosts aware of the predicament they and their fellow hosts are in. They understand that they are not real, yet continue as if they were. Do they know that they are just used and do they not care about the hosts in the park who are killed everyday? How much do they try to influence how visitors hurt or help hosts in the park? If a visitor kills an entrance host, do they get repaired just as normal park hosts? Do they routinely keep memories day to day unlike park hosts?
It would make sense that their knowledge of their lot in life is way more than park hosts, like Delores' father glitching just from looking at a pic of an unknown world.
But this makes entrance hosts totally unique from regular park hosts. They are hosts aware of the predicament they and their fellow hosts are in. They understand that they are not real, yet continue as if they were. Do they know that they are just used and do they not care about the hosts in the park who are killed everyday? How much do they try to influence how visitors hurt or help hosts in the park? If a visitor kills an entrance host, do they get repaired just as normal park hosts? Do they routinely keep memories day to day unlike park hosts?
It would make sense that their knowledge of their lot in life is way more than park hosts, like Delores' father glitching just from looking at a pic of an unknown world.
More_Badass
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I don't think so. You can just program the entrance hosts to act and perceive things differently. They have no need for reveries like the park hosts do.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Ben Barnes from Narnia is in this episode!
She's a quest-giver NPC, and that's her hook, much like the Sheriff pointing out a newcomer, or the old coot needing help up.
Mr. E. Yis
Banned
They program them to answer that they are not real, or they know they are not real? Hmm, maybe since her answer was ambiguous ("what do you think"), maybe the programming is for the hosts to assume themselves to be real, but never to state it.
It's episode 2.
i'm rewatching ep2 and something's not sitting right with me about the William = MiB theory. in the scene where he and Logan first come to the town and enter the saloon, the camera pans to Delores and she stares at her reflection in a window really intently like she's going through the weird shit she's going through in the supposed present day. if we subscribe to the theory and these scenes are taking place 30 years prior, how do we explain that?
Red herring. That's part of her animation stalling for someone to take her quest.
More_Badass
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Could be intentionally messing with the viewer since it could one of Dolores' memories, so perhaps her growing sentience has become aware of her sense of self when thinking back to past events
Or that
I just finished the episode and was coming in to say about McPoyle beign Ed Harris before he was handsome, but I see that's already been covered in depth.
I think we just got it
I think we just got it