Fenderputty
Banned
Just caught up. Totally forgot this started ..
Wow I'm hooked. Dat self rock smash
Wow I'm hooked. Dat self rock smash
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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NoPiece
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Does it seem like there is an interesting overall arc building up? I'm not a fan of the story/monster/murder of the week format unless it is developing something bigger overall.
Beer Monkey
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I'm going to try to stick it out and make it to season two where it gets better but I kind of wish there was a highlights slash recap video.
I don't think that's what happened. The gun looks identical so it can be confusing, but I think the gun is a trigger for something else. It just made her think and remember. Then she asks Teddy for shooting lessons (which seems to be an unscripted development) but finds that she doesn't have the authorization code to use weapons (but yet she can hold the gun at all, unlike the dudes who couldn't even touch the axe?), and at the end when under threat deeper parts of her consciousness triggers allowing her to shoot the guy. The gun she uses at the end is taken from the dude's belt I believe, not hidden in the hay. She grabbed it from him when he threw her down.
I think there's unintended misdirection because we're reading a bit too much into some of the sequencing, expecting certain things so we see what we want to see, but if we distance from that, it might just simply be a case that the episode was about Dolores slowly subverting her surface programming, and the buried gun suggests some secret in the past, possibly she was another character once, and one who had experience in combat.
The episode title "The Stray" could have a double meaning, the obvious one being the stray host they were tracking down, but it is clear Dolores herself is also a Stray that no one is aware of.
captjohnboyd
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Having the same problem. I really want to like it but it's just so trite. The procedural thing bores me to death. Fool me once with arrow shame on you. Fool me twice with PoI shame on me lol
If I felt like I could catch up adequately with a recap I would just move on to the second season
freefornow
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Yep. She took it from GTA5 Trevor.
Oh shit you're right
My god
Is he shown squashing a fly or is he just waving his arms around? Stupid distinction, but I don't think Teddy has gone off script yet, I doubt they would want to make his first aberrant act so obscure(I missed it entirely).
but they weren't even supposed to hurt a fly if they're not programmed to do so
swatting a fly is most definitely considered hurting
I bet all you people buying the William == MiB theory bought in to Cleganebowl too.
Wasn't the William = MiB theory debunked by a TV critic?
Anyway, I liked the episode even though I have no real idea what's going on other than the fact that the hosts are going off script. I also like how they make me feel empathy toward robots and despise some of the guests in the park, really well done.
I also had the feeling Ford knew about Bernard's conversations with Dolores. Can't wait for next week.
William might or might not be MIB but how much of what we see is the present and how much is the past is very much up for debate. Something very unusual is happening that is clearly intentional. Dolores' memories and her perception of reality is not reliable. How much of what happens from the moment she arrives home at night is actual reality and how much of it was her memories triggering is very questionable.
The logo discrepancy can no longer be explained as a production error. We see the "old" logo in cold storage, in the Arnold flashbacks, and in the entrance scenes with William. We see the "new" logo everywhere on promo materials, on the title, in the presentation of the new storyline, and on the pillars of elevator level. Unless the argument is that they've been making production gaffs for two episodes in a row and they just happen to be in the scenes which are in the past? That would be a really odd accidental mistake.
The logo discrepancy can no longer be explained as a production error. We see the "old" logo in cold storage, in the Arnold flashbacks, and in the entrance scenes with William. We see the "new" logo everywhere on promo materials, on the title, in the presentation of the new storyline, and on the pillars of elevator level. Unless the argument is that they've been making production gaffs for two episodes in a row and they just happen to be in the scenes which are in the past? That would be a really odd accidental mistake.
Charles Brandon
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Do we know if the gun Dolores 'finds' in the dirt in episode 2 is the same gun she takes from the host bandit at the end of episode 3. Because if so, that would give us some clues about the order the events are happening in.
wesleyshark
Banned
The season finale is 91min?? Oh man. That is fucking awesome.
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Deleted member 80556
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If you can take a first season that's pretty procedural (eventually it turns more serialized without you noticing), and you have liked the ideas that Westworld has presented about AI, you might like the show. Also, take in account that Nolan only wrote a handful of episodes. He does say in interviews that due to being executive producer on the show (and showrunner) he pretty much helped with almost all episodes. You can see the same care for topics like surveillance and AI in that show, just like Westworld. Obviously POI never had the same budget that Westworld has, but it does what it does pretty well.
It's one of my favorites of all time, and Jonathan Nolan directed one of the best episodes in the series that is in season 2. If you have the time definitely check it out. There's also a GAF thread.
LegendofDragoonLives
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When was this? :S
Charles Brandon
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he's the nerdy first-timer on a holiday with the guy whose sister he's fucking
Ah, gotcha. Thanks!
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
When they came across those two corpses that were strung up in the tree.
Charles Brandon
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I wonder if it will go in a Battlestar Galactica direction. Who is real and who is a robot?
Curt Baboon
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I bet all you people buying the William == MiB theory bought in to Cleganebowl too.
Cleganebowl will come, my child.
Inceptional
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Your last statement is both true and false, which is why I'm 99% sure William is the MiB.
The glimpses we get of those two fucking around are so fleeting and disconnected from everything else that is happening that the only logical sense is that it's happening in a completely different time frame. The only other logical explanation is just shitty editing.
I don't think that in and of itself will be the big twist though. It will be part of a bigger twist that will reveal that a lot more has been going on than we think based on a lot of this stuff were seeing having already happened 30 years ago.
We all agree Bernard is a replicant host, right?
Ford transferred his old partners ideas/consciousness to a host body to have him around. Maybe to let "Bernard" test out the Bicarmel Mind idea on Dolores.
The dead son is all implanted memories.
"They need a backstory to keep them anchored"
Ford transferred his old partners ideas/consciousness to a host body to have him around. Maybe to let "Bernard" test out the Bicarmel Mind idea on Dolores.
The dead son is all implanted memories.
"They need a backstory to keep them anchored"
Charles Brandon
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Ampersands
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Good spot. Seems entirely reasonable given she wouldn't know what to do with the gun after she killed someone with it. But whose gun is the one in the dresser?
Charles Brandon
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So my little theory (which is probably way out of line) is...
Dolores takes the gun at the farm, kills the bandit with it in the barn, meets up with William and his pal, at some point buries the gun in the earth
~ time passes ~
In another loop, Dolores remembers she hid the gun in a previous loop, digs it up and then puts it in the drawer.
If that was true, it would mean that she has *gone wrong* twice. But why does the gun disappear from the drawer?
The partitioning of plots also very obvious, with the Hosts and quest chains William interacts being almost mutually exclusive from the ones we've seen other characters interact with. It's really only Dolores and the non-Maeve prostitute that have overlapped between the two, right?
We're the robots and this show doesn't even exist.
Yeah, and I don't think we've ever seen them actually go in the whorehouse main entrance (they're just magically up stairs) even though his friend is supposed to be in there all the time and it's a frequent set.
There has to be something up, shows don't write ways for their cast to not interact when they can and naturally should be (well, some do, but it's usually long running shows where the stars hate each other and wield considerable power). There's no reason for instance, for that "Will rejects whore" scene to not have been with Thandie Newton's character in the second episode given it would have lined up so perfectly with her story about not be able to convince customers.
I guess there is a small chance their weird sequestering might be due to the rewrites the show allegedly went through and maybe not all of the cast were available, but that's a big stretch.
Inceptional
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That's how I'm feeling honestly. By the end of the show we will realize that the real motivations for Westworld are to study the A.I. like Bernard who are much more advanced.
Jag
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Well, for BSG the bigger question was: does it matter? Which seems to be a theme here too, so yay.
Charles Brandon
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yup
A Serious Man
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Insane Metal
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On episode 3 shit got real, damn.
Teddy is the peak James Marsden character. Never going to get the girl and dies a thousand deaths.
Hitfix reviewer Alan Sepinwall did debunk it.
Spoiler mib link:
https://twitter.com/sepinwall/status/785474930775175170
Corpsepyre
Banned
Just watched the 3rd episode.
Damn.
What is going on in this show? I love it.
Damn.
What is going on in this show? I love it.
BSG spoiler:
All the guests will go to the center of the town and find out they're actually hosts.
It was a decent theory but the show trying to explain that the end of Ep. 3 was a different time Dolores wandered about at night, and not the continuation of the scene it showed us minutes before, feels like it'd be the most stilted thing ever. They already gave us a very clear through line from Teddy being off on his new backstory quest -> Dolores defending herself and riding off alone -> her showing up at William's camp. Doing a "reveal" that that wasn't the case would feel like a huge cheat.
No. We're part of a virtual simulation created by humans living in what we think of as the future (but is really their present). In this virtual simulation we've created a fictitious television show to about humans who create humanoid sentient robots to entertain guests in an interactive simulation of the wild west that is broadcast on two dimensional viewing panels to entertain us and distract us from the mundane parts of the virtual simulation we exist within. Even though we're not real we understand the concept of love because love is the one thing that transcends time and space.
More_Badass
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He was probably talking about the end of this episode