oh wow. here I was thinking the show was moving super fast Lol. I'm loving it though
not sure how some people think 'nothing happens' in these. So much awesome shit!
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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oh wow. here I was thinking the show was moving super fast Lol. I'm loving it though
not sure how some people think 'nothing happens' in these. So much awesome shit!
Dude basically controls an army of robots.
i'm a little confused about the ending of that scene. what exactly was he going to bulldoze and for what
"In another life I would have eaten you, and here it would be legal."
YesNOnoNOYes
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Wow this episode really blew the lid open on expectations of characters.
- MiB is definitely a very wealthy guy who is famous enough to be recognized by other guests, and he's been paying his own way to the park for 30 years. He knows all about Arnold and Ford, and the origins of the park. He might or might not be connected to Delos.
- William and Logan seem to be related to Delos in some way. Does Logan's family run Delos? William married Logan's sister right?
- Ford and Arnold created Westworld as a concept independent of Delos. It seems like they sold it to Delos after creating it, but somehow Ford maintains control over the park itself.
- I want to say that the scene with the team mentioning that Dolores has gone off loop confirms that there aren't two time periods being shown and that William is not MiB... but... when they ask if she's with a guest the reply is that "it's unclear." Why would it be unclear? She was with William and Logan a whole night and they brought her to the town. There's also that scene with Logan asking William to "go black hat" like him. Right when we think we're done with the theory, little things keep pulling it back in!
- MiB is definitely a very wealthy guy who is famous enough to be recognized by other guests, and he's been paying his own way to the park for 30 years. He knows all about Arnold and Ford, and the origins of the park. He might or might not be connected to Delos.
- William and Logan seem to be related to Delos in some way. Does Logan's family run Delos? William married Logan's sister right?
- Ford and Arnold created Westworld as a concept independent of Delos. It seems like they sold it to Delos after creating it, but somehow Ford maintains control over the park itself.
- I want to say that the scene with the team mentioning that Dolores has gone off loop confirms that there aren't two time periods being shown and that William is not MiB... but... when they ask if she's with a guest the reply is that "it's unclear." Why would it be unclear? She was with William and Logan a whole night and they brought her to the town. There's also that scene with Logan asking William to "go black hat" like him. Right when we think we're done with the theory, little things keep pulling it back in!
wesleyshark
Banned
Yep that was great haha
YesNOnoNOYes
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he was demonstrating that he could 'move mountains' ............. in the most literal possible way, i think. and it was for his new narrative, which the board of directors seemed to have some doubts could be completed within the tight due date.
Moff
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I also think that the pacing is off since episode 3, I just don't really feel hooked I guess, a bit too much mystery, a bit too few plots going forward
some great scenes in this episode, though, harris and hopkins killing it, and maeve and hector were great
I also got a good laugh at the item upgrade and the easter egg. it really feels like a video game, including seeing teddy tortured there, I felt the same "yeah, I have seen that a thousand times, yawn" as when I see scenes like that in games nowadays
some great scenes in this episode, though, harris and hopkins killing it, and maeve and hector were great
I also got a good laugh at the item upgrade and the easter egg. it really feels like a video game, including seeing teddy tortured there, I felt the same "yeah, I have seen that a thousand times, yawn" as when I see scenes like that in games nowadays
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Speaking of Asian people in Westworld, there was an Asian girl who walked past Mauve in the beginning of the episode, as she's fast walking back home.
I find the idea that lingering memories or sloppy wipes of maintenance sessions becoming a religion for the robots further out in the frontier really interesting. Is this partially intended design? So if they happen to remember they think of it as folklore rather than question it further?
Damn, that immersion breaker. She should have stayed home.
Damn, that immersion breaker. She should have stayed home.
I think the bulldozer was heading for the building they were in. Hence him saying "I'm not the sentimental type" in reference to her having a meal at that place and seat on her first visit.
To make room for his new scenario.
Baldwin_the_First
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Mountains and I'm guessing the mansion/hotel they were currently eating at. As to why, I'm pretty sure it's for his new scenario that he never went into details as to what it entails.
edit: Should have refreshed, Ruruja already had answered.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
She looked like a host, so I'd guess it's part of the lore. Someone's gotta lay down those tracks!
Sevenfold
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Her repetition about her previous visit was magnificent.
ZeroMaverick
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So the plausibility of some of this stuff is bothering the fuck out of me. How do guests know if they're talking to anothe guest or a host? What if a guest decides they want to shoot up a town and ends up shooting other guests? Why, when Teddy was trying to shoot Skull Face, did the bullets not even hit him? Are the hosts equipped with blanks? If so, how are they able to shoot and kill each other?
And Delores gets taken into that room with Bernard, right? But how was she in the room with Bernard while also sleeping next to sexist business guy and fake Thom Yorke at the same time? Did Bernard sneak her away then sneak her back without the two guests noticing?
Bad writing?
And Delores gets taken into that room with Bernard, right? But how was she in the room with Bernard while also sleeping next to sexist business guy and fake Thom Yorke at the same time? Did Bernard sneak her away then sneak her back without the two guests noticing?
Bad writing?
More_Badass
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I am kind of the same way.
There is so much death in this show that means so little. Hey look everyone is alive again after a huge emotional response to someones death? It has sort of takes me out of the show a little bit but I am not sure exactly what it is.
One question I keep having and maybe this has been explained and I just missed it but what is stopping one of the guests from killing or hurting another guest? They may not know who is a guest and who is not?
Mr. Pointy
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So William and Logan are the two Delos board reps.
So, it looks like MIB and Dolores will be competing to solve the Maze this season. Probably leading up to a confrontation between the two of them in the finale.
What I'm starting to think is that the Maze is intended for a HOST to solve, not a Guest. Bernard tells Dolores that if she makes it to the center, she'll be free - whatever that means.
Remember when the MIB talked to the little girl, she said that the Maze "isn't for you" - i.e. not for humans. I'm guessing that the Maze is there to test whether the Hosts' AI has advanced to a certain level. It could even be a trap or a failsafe. Thoughts??
What I'm starting to think is that the Maze is intended for a HOST to solve, not a Guest. Bernard tells Dolores that if she makes it to the center, she'll be free - whatever that means.
Remember when the MIB talked to the little girl, she said that the Maze "isn't for you" - i.e. not for humans. I'm guessing that the Maze is there to test whether the Hosts' AI has advanced to a certain level. It could even be a trap or a failsafe. Thoughts??
Mr. Pointy
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I hope we get Anthony Hopkins for more than 1 season, but I can feel in my heart that just won't happen. I'm hoping Ed Harris sticks around for at least a couple of seasons.
The bullets are designed to only hurt the robots, they're not normal bullets. On normal human flesh they're like blanks. It's just how it is. This is the far future, technology can do anything. Like make robots seem like people.
Sequential scenes in the show are not necessarily linear. We don't know what sequence they happen in or if some of them are really happening at all. As the robots get more delusional, their narrative become more unreliable.
newtypepilot
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Just shoot at them. If there are no wounds they are guests.
I can't recall did we ever see the Westworld crew react or comment to what William and Logan were doing in the park?
Right now I definitely agree with those believing that
Right now I definitely agree with those believing that
their storyline is a flashback. There's also too much of an emphasis on William being a whitehat who's gradually transitioning to a blackhat ->MiB.
I had seen it in this thread but it still caught be by surprise that the Man in Black was human.
Also agree that the episodes are a bit "off" since Episode 2. Not sure whats wrong. Maybe the pace is to slow?
A big issue for me with Episode 3 was that I was basically following NPC's along. With less stakes..
Also agree that the episodes are a bit "off" since Episode 2. Not sure whats wrong. Maybe the pace is to slow?
A big issue for me with Episode 3 was that I was basically following NPC's along. With less stakes..
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
At this point I think it's definitely an overt part of the setting that guests aren't told who else is a guest in order to create mystery and potential challenges. As we see the control room is actively monitoring where different groups of guests are and adjusting the experience in real time around them.
The MiB getting angry at being recognized was funny but also instructive. Various "players" probably have different codes about how to play the game. Some treat it as a tourist park, others go in for a form of role-playing and don't break character.
It's ironic that the MiB is so jaded about the park being fake, yet he has a certain kind of respect for it. He still goes along with narratives, still works to play with them even as he manipulates them and points out to the characters that they're not real.
To me that strengthens the idea that William
As we can see, William is enchanted by the park in an odd way and doesn't like his obnoxious friend breaking character, as William sees it. William wants to play along.
The MiB getting angry at being recognized was funny but also instructive. Various "players" probably have different codes about how to play the game. Some treat it as a tourist park, others go in for a form of role-playing and don't break character.
It's ironic that the MiB is so jaded about the park being fake, yet he has a certain kind of respect for it. He still goes along with narratives, still works to play with them even as he manipulates them and points out to the characters that they're not real.
To me that strengthens the idea that William
is the MiB.
I think it was unclear if they were going to take her or leave her. It is clear that theory is dead.
edit: and yet... it persists!
I'm not sure how much more blatant they can make it. MiB and William are separate characters. There is one timeline.
Didn't they mention that they try to keep the guests separated for that purpose? The guests seem to only use guns so they can only harm robots. These guests don't seem to get physical probably because of that. Maybe if there was a serial stabbing guest then it would get messy.
I didn't even think about intermixing timelines until I got to this thread. It really makes Logan and William's storyline make so much more sense. One thing I do want to point out is that, and this may have been discussed already, the reason Delores shoots the other host in the first place in the barn is heavily implied to be because of MiB. Following this, she runs to William. In addition, the only reason she shoots is because Teddy taught her to earlier, and we see that Teddy meeting MiB is a direct continuation of that storyline so this obviously can't be taking place decades apart can it?
I think MiB and William are two different people.
They also say the hosts will step in and take the knife if a guest tries to stab another guest.
major preview spoiler!!!!
they even show this in the preview... teddy blocks MiB from stabbing Ford
AntiFacebook
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So...guests are allowed to kill each other?
I'm pretty sure this guy MiB threatened to kill is another guest.
I'm pretty sure this guy MiB threatened to kill is another guest.
He's just telling him to shut the fuck up and leave him the fuck alone in sternest possible way.
Wow people still keeping the william is mib theory alive huh. Even though the modern day park employees comment that Delores is off loop and send a host to check on her but it gets rebuffed by William.
Unless you think the park management scenes are also on the past timeline???
I mean its still not completely debunked but at this point you're really grasping.
Unless you think the park management scenes are also on the past timeline???
I mean its still not completely debunked but at this point you're really grasping.
You could kill another guest, but I would think you would then be charged for murder with lots of video evidence showing what happened. So basically more incentive than real life to not murder someone, but it wouldn't be impossible.
Everything is in the past, critical failure sucked everyone into a time loop and it just keeps repeating!
Cornballer
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A few more items:
- Maeve Gets an Answer (video from HBO, cast & crew on the final Maeve scene)
- Esquire: Here's Everything We Learned About Ed Harris's Man in Black in Westworld Tonight
- Indiewire review
- Maeve Gets an Answer (video from HBO, cast & crew on the final Maeve scene)
- Esquire: Here's Everything We Learned About Ed Harris's Man in Black in Westworld Tonight
- Indiewire review
Angelus Errare
Banned
I don't think William is MIB, if only because if William is taking 30 years prior then the HOSTS should be more like animatronics and not so life like that you're confused. Ford talked about this in episode 2 how the original models were pretty unconvincing yet the experience of the park was still worth it.
More_Badass
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Does it? We know that there are extended lifetimes, no disease. 30 years ago might not have been long enough back to reach the jerky animatronic era.
But either way, kind of feeling the William is MIB theory is mostly debunked.
The one way I could have imagined it worked is if the William stuff was stuff Dolores was remembering due to some pushing from mib and due to the repetitive nature of the place, her actions in the present lined up with the time with William.
But that seems like way too much deception from a storytelling perspective at this point
They probably scanned the area and determined it would only possibly harm him as a guest. No other guests were in the vicinity and him being a veteran they figured he knew what he was doing
More_Badass
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He had clearly done it before. They're probably used to that request
ShemhazaiX
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It was implied Delores has been there twice. The present day she sees the girl and has a flashback to the first time she was there with William.
Also, as much as I dislike the idea, I do think the MiB is probably William. Backs up my earlier ideas that outside of the park, the MiB is actually a really nice guy. Especially with how the guy who recognised him was all in awe of him. He knows it's just a game with no repercussions, so is just playing Renegade, which has no basis on his personality outside of the game, unless we want to argue that everyone who plays the bad guy in a game is an asshole.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Is there a way right now to watch this without HBO?
Hulu, Netflix?
Hulu, Netflix?
He's a very rich and influential VIP, so it's not surprising? It's clear now that he's not Arnold or a host or someone who has a lifetime pass as a settlement. He's some rich ass dude who has his own charity foundation and is recognizable to people in the world.