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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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The nature of what people are all looking for (some leftover legacy of the late founder buried within the game) is clearer now, which helps me appreciate the series a lot more.
Typical James Marsden luck, riding to save his lady, but she's shacking up with somebody else (I guess this is going to be the vehicle for exploring human/robot love; Logan can go back to his sister and explain how her fiancee ran off with one of the amusement park attractions).
Typical James Marsden luck, riding to save his lady, but she's shacking up with somebody else (I guess this is going to be the vehicle for exploring human/robot love; Logan can go back to his sister and explain how her fiancee ran off with one of the amusement park attractions).
KINGofCRA5H
Member
that was AMAZING
more insane than the episode I just watched if that makes any sense
more insane than the episode I just watched if that makes any sense
Spoiled Milk
Banned
some guests go haywire and kill people during analysis, maeve requests reprogramming and narrative changes because she's self aware now and understands the reality of the world, Bernard addresses unknown adversary risking his entire park, William's asshole brother in law grabs Dolores by the pussy.
Saren is Bad
Member
It was the fact that she has changed her persona. She's been playing the damsel in distress up to that point, but with that act, she's realizing she can act of her own accord.
"These violent delights, have violent ends." Pretty sure this phrase unlocks past memory for hosts and possibly higher cognition. Maeve realized her world and the weird shit happening to her, but I think this time she woke up is the first time she intentionally died. Remember, she had been sitting there for a while, listening to them.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
It's more than that. She's not programmed to be able to be violent. She developed that capacity on her own (see: barn scene).
More_Badass
Member
Screencap from the preview: http://i.imgur.com/SaLfOsG.png
That definitely looks like modern architecture
to be completely fair, MiB says he's been in the park for 30 years, not 35. Logan never said how long it had been since Arnold died. it could still fit.
KINGofCRA5H
Member
this show. this god damn show. that preview is nitro glycerin poured onto a fire
In the conversation with Ford mib mentions Arnold dying 35 years ago.
It really doesn't fit, and really never has. There have been multiple sequences where mib being william would not make any sense from a narrative perspective.
She's wearing that same outfit, in that same preview, when
she is looking at mib with the camera over his shoulder.
But I won't bother rehashing all the other stuff that's against it. I think some of you won't be convinced by mib high fiving William either at this point.
It seems to have done more than that. Maeve is not only more cognitive, she seems to be in full control of herself. She died, but kept herself "alive." I'm also going to choose to read into that bird perfectly landing on her finger. Does she have Ford-like god powers now?
I think the juiciest thing out of the episode for me was Ford casually implying in his conversation that with Delores that he is Arnold. Strangely, it would make sense. And it was explain why nobody has apparently ever seen Arnold, except Delores.
i know, and i'm saying that the MiB has said on multiple occasions that he's been visiting the park for 30 years, not 35. when Logan has the conversation with William about the park's creators, he never mentions how long it had been since Arnold died. could be that William's visit is taking place 5 years after Arnold's death.
Baroquemantic
Member
Jesus, Pariah is nuts.
She doesn't have godlike powers and he never implied he was Arnold...
The biggest issue I have with the theory that William is the young MIB is, how does that not render Dolores' arc on the show pretty much pointless? If all these scenes are taking place in the past, then all this personal evolution we're following has no meaning, because she gets reset and put back in her place for another thirty years. Actually, if the Dolores stuff is in the past, what's even happening with Dolores?
Frank the Great
Banned
I agree. William=MiB would be an incredibly cheap twist after this episode.
Right but you're completely dismissing the scene sequence of Delores passing out at the day of the dead at Ford's command and having a conversation with him about Arnold and the voices. Her last contact was 34 years ago x amount of days and hours.
It's dead and has been since the end of ep 3 when Delores was going all wonkey and stubled into Williams camp.
The park is obviously not in good shape in the current timeline either, they won't even fix the hvac in the cold storage. It seems like the hq was once in much better shape.
It seems like Arnold dying is not common knowledge as even Logan said no one even knows who he is. If he is unknown person who died under mysterious circumstances it may be just rumors even 35 years later as part of why the park isn't doing well, or if covered up it may have taken 30+ years for rumors about a founder dying to even surface where a competitor would find out about it.
Westworld in general seems very secretive, hence someone trying to smuggle out info using a host as discovered in this episode.
Then what was the point of "Do you remember who I used to be? Do you remember...*dramatic pause*....Arnold?"
Hmmmmm
For a hot minute I thought ford just said he was Arnold.
I think Arnold might have uploaded his consciousness into him. Not really clear need to watch that scene again.
He also says he was trying to destroy the park 30 years ago (presumably so Delos couldnt take over?)
I do find it strange Williams lines about the outside being free from worry but all the employees seem super nervous about losing thier jobs.
For a hot minute I thought ford just said he was Arnold.
I think Arnold might have uploaded his consciousness into him. Not really clear need to watch that scene again.
He also says he was trying to destroy the park 30 years ago (presumably so Delos couldnt take over?)
I do find it strange Williams lines about the outside being free from worry but all the employees seem super nervous about losing thier jobs.
When are people not worried about losing their job? I imagine a westworld gig would pay pretty well given its relative isolation.
Mib also said the real world is pretty much perfect other than finding meaning.
Baroquemantic
Member
Hooooly shit this is getting interesting.
Edit: This brothel. Whew
Edit: This brothel. Whew
Oh was that mib?
Lot of info in this episode need to rewatch.
Who the hell put that transmitter in the woodcutter? Had to be one of the "butchers" in livestock. Why is everyone so terrified of the behavior people? Who is Lawrence rebelling against? Didnarnold really die or did he upload himself someone "find me" is that real or is Delores telling herself to find herself.
Chiggs
Gold Member
It's definitely a more focused show than Lost, but I could do without anymore flashbacks for the rest of this show's life and be just fine.
Whoever handles the HBO brothels must have been proud.
wesleyshark
Banned
I wouldn't say it's 100% dead. I'm thinking it'll end up all being in the same time line but Ehhhh... It's still fun to speculate otherwise. No harm in it.
It is just getting annoying as people are manipulating every thing into fitting into the theory
Baroquemantic
Member
That ending. God this show is great.
wesleyshark
Banned
That's what makes this show so great though. It fuels theorizing and discussion and the like. Even if it goes nowhere, it's still fun digging into it anyway.
More_Badass
Member
Speculation is fun
It was fun 3 weeks ago when it was still plausible, now? Not so much.
wesleyshark
Banned
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yeeee, Dolores putting that work in. Pretty on the nose commentary about not wanting to be the damsel. I guess it's there for people who need it spelled out to them.
The showrunners must be purposefully editing the show so that people get the inclination that William is the MiB, but don't show any definitive proof. Pretty clever, I have to say.
That scene with Harris and Hopkins. So good. Kudos to the casting director for being able to populate this show with these thespian gods.
The showrunners must be purposefully editing the show so that people get the inclination that William is the MiB, but don't show any definitive proof. Pretty clever, I have to say.
That scene with Harris and Hopkins. So good. Kudos to the casting director for being able to populate this show with these thespian gods.
TheOctodad
Member
The further out you go, the higher the diffulty setting is. They said that episode one, that's it's more dangerous out in the wilderness areas.
Garrett 2U
Member
Anyone want to try and explain this observation from the subreddit?
http://i.imgur.com/tWDnSfJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tWDnSfJ.jpg
William and Lawrence are missing from the scene in the second shot.