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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years

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Nameless

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Ninja Scooter said:
They're about to make Diesel the champion again.
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Matthew Gallant said:
The 90s, aka the era where the current product's ratings get compared to, to show how bad things have gotten.

How over was Sting if he fucking evaporated right along with WCW?
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Sting chose not to go to WWF because he had a massive guaranteed contract from Turner. He didn't evaporate at all.
 
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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!

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Sting was never that big of a draw anyway. WCW always wanted him to be a bigger draw than he really was. Every time he won the title they took it off him fairly quickly because business always went way down. He was a great wrestler but he was never Flair/Hogan level like WCW wanted him to be.

He was most popular when he wasn't wrestling for 18 months. Once he started wrestling again he was back in the midcard after a few months.
 
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They should replace Michael Cole with Maggle Fraggle one week and see if anyone notices. Have the muppet speak with Cole's voice while JBL makes jokes about how he can't see the difference between Maggle and the puppet he usually sits at commentary with each week.
 
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Nekofrog

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El Topo said:
I've watched more than enough soap operas. Even the worst one had more compelling storylines than anything I've seen on WWE whenever I tuned in during the past few years. They're cheesy, they're over-the-top, the acting and dialogue sucks, but it works. I'm dead serious. WWE wishes it was as good as your standard soap opera.
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Fucking goddamn Passions had better story lines, and they were on every day and stretched 8 hours of in show time to 8 months of broadcasting.

Fucking Passions, man.

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE, ETHAN.
 
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Chopper

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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
Sting was never that big of a draw anyway. WCW always wanted him to be a bigger draw than he really was. Every time he won the title they took it off him fairly quickly because business always went way down. He was a great wrestler but he was never Flair/Hogan level like WCW wanted him to be.

He was most popular when he wasn't wrestling for 18 months. Once he started wrestling again he was back in the midcard after a few months.
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I'm not sure that's a slight on Sting as a performer. More the fact that the chase is always more exciting than the result. It's ways more fun having the face go after the evil champion than the other way round. I realise that Seth is currently bucking that trend, but I would put that down to underdeveloped face talent and really shitty writing.

The same could be said for Daniel Bryan. I'm sure Vince and Co would love to blame him for ratings losses whilst he was champ, but EVERYONE wanted to see him win that belt. The dude's awesome. What lost ratings was a shitty follow-up.
 
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ReturnOfTheRAT

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The Silver said:
Can we really blame Rollins for how he's booked? Can we blame Reigns for how they sabotaged him leading up to and during the Rumble?

Yeah we can blame Roman for his mic skills, but then, a good company, a good booker would know how to hide that and highlight his strengths. They're so stubborn on forcing Reigns into a Cena mold that he damn near suffocates in it.(and he's still managing to build himself back up)

Stone Cold even talks about how bad he feels for the current guys because of how stifled creatively they are.
http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/steve-austin-wwe-wrestlemania-brock-lesnar-interview-110215

"I was just at the pay-per-view Hell in a Cell and prior to that I was in Dallas at a Monday Night Raw and, man, the system is very constricted right now," explained Austin. "I feel for the guys in the system. I had a lot more creative freedom back in the day. These days, it's a very rigid system and it's very political. Because of the system that I was in, I could never comply to the current system. I ain't knocking it. I'm just saying I couldn't fly in that system with so many restrictions on me."
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Agreed with each point here. Roman can't talk? then make him the silent badass (debatable on the badass part) that walks in from the seats and takes care of business.

WWE booking is bad and I feel bad for the womens divison (not the Bella's) who have to suffer to the primetime booking.
 
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ReturnOfTheRAT said:
Agreed with each point here. Roman can't talk? then make him the silent badass (debatable on the badass part) that walks in from the seats and takes care of business.

WWE booking is bad and I feel bad for the womens divison (not the Bella's) who have to suffer to the primetime booking.
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he'd just be a poor man's lesnar at that point i imagine.

not to mention i dont particularly find roman intimidating enough to pull off the silent badass ala sting
 
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orioto

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There is also a real problem of predictability due to the super clear hierarchy between wrestlers nowadays.

I'm not sure that's what make the ratings or not, but to me, a good wrestling promotion lets me think everything can happen, and you got a ful roster of people able to create surprise and break the glass ceiling.

WWE had been sooooo structured about long term star plans, with the top stars interacting with each other and the mid carders in their dog house..

At that point, the only surprising elements can come from injured wrestlers or problems forcing them to push someone not planned.
 
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Christopher said:
Disagreed

Sting was HUGE in the 90s and him gracing a WWE ring was big news the sting taker match and build up with their gimmicks woulda been huge
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The 90s were a long fucking time ago. You know what else was huge around the same time as Sting? Jean Claude Van Damme and Ace of Base. Would you headline a major film release or concert with either of them in 2015? The draw of these old fuckers is massively overblown. The kind of people that would get excited over Sting in 2015 are the same people who are already watching every week, even if it's just to rant about how much they hate it.
 
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Evening Musuko

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Glorified G said:
And it keeps getting lower
WWE Raw ratings get even lower with 18-year record
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I wouldn't be surprised if this continues to happen until the Rumble. I expect a Post-PPV bump after Survivor Series and TLC, but probably not enough to stop the bleeding.

It probably doesn't help that WWE doesn't really have a strong PPV during the Fall to build to like they do every other season. Winter has the Rumble which leads into Wrestlemania in the Spring, and Summer obviously has SummerSlam and probably MITB.

Fall has...Survivor Series? Now granted there was a bit of an effort last year with the whole Team Cena vs. Team Authority match, but the past couple of years the Survivor Series match and PPV hasn't been build as a big deal. In fact, WWE was planning on replacing it a few years back when they went on their gimmicky PPV kick.

Sure it's probably at the bottom of the "big 4" PPVs, but if you're not going to put in the effort, why should I continue watching after SummerSlam?

There's a reason why every year around this time, a lot of fans say that they will "Wait until the Rumble".
 
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Monday's WWE Raw scored a 2.32 rating, down from the 2.46 rating the show drew last week. Raw averaged 3.248 million viewers, down from the 3.354 million average from last week.

Powell's POV: Monday Night Football drew 12.404 million viewers, which up slightly from last week. The MLB season is over. In other words, there's nothing outside of an ordinary week in football and the absence of John Cena that WWE can blame their lousy numbers on. I say they've did a lot of damage in recent months and it's going to take time to win viewers over again. The November 3, 2014 edition of Raw delivered a 2.84 rating with 4.04 million viewers.
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http://www.prowrestling.net/article...-November-2-episode-44658#ztaixu3dosqWaDIL.99
 
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Syphon Filter said:
wtf? did taker and kane join them?
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After Bork murdered Oldertaker, Bray came out and carried his dead body out of the arena.
Next night Kane came out for revenge(even though he's tried to kill Taker multple times) but the family beat him up and took him away too.

He comes out in that gif and says he took their souls and now has command of their powers.




Taker will returning be as biker Taker at Survivor Series along with Slow Chemical Kane.
 
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Evening Musuko said:
There's a reason why every year around this time, a lot of fans say that they will "Wait until the Rumble".
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Even the Rumble match has been garbage the past two years. The pay-per-view itself has been semi-salvaged by quality matches outside of that match... D.Brine vs. Bray in 2014 and Brock vs. Cena vs. Rollins in 2015.

But the Rumble match itself has been over-telegraphed and horribly booked. It's essentially a textbook representation of the WWE's shoddy booking in a single match.
 
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El Topo said:
A complete overhaul won't make a difference if their product is still utter shit. People like to compare wrestling to a soap opera, but that's really damn offensive to even the worst soap opera.
Every time I think about watching wrestling I realize that I cannot bring myself to give a shit about anything, because no one in the company gives a shit.
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I’d like to think that maybe this company will better after Vince McMahon is dead. But the fact is, it’s going to be taken over by his idiotic daughter and his doofus son-in-law and the rest of his stupid family.
 
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KingBroly

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dr3upmushroom said:
This really happened?
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yup

What they need to do is make it the Wyatts v. Biker Taker and Corporate Kane at SS so they can take the power back and then seal away forever to thwart Bray. And the feud will end in a Casket Match at WM32. lol


I'm seriously overqualified to work for WWE Creative.
 
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The Silver said:
After Bork murdered Oldertaker, Bray came out and carried his dead body out of the arena.
Next night Kane came out for revenge(even though he's tried to kill Taker multple times) but the family beat him up and took him away too.

He comes out in that gif and says he took their souls and now has command of their powers.




Taker will returning be as biker Taker at Survivor Series along with Slow Chemical Kane.
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Fat Taker with Denim is coming back? Now THAT is ratings gold.

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Radec said:
Shoulda let Brock wreck shit again.

Instead they are still pushing Reigns.
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They're too poor to afford Brock wrecking shit full-time.
Besides, his schedule ensures he's not over-exposed.
If anything, more of the full-time touring peeps need to be shown less on TV.
 
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UberTag said:
They're too poor to afford Brock wrecking shit full-time.
Besides, his schedule ensures he's not over-exposed.
If anything, more of the full-time touring peeps need to be shown less on TV.
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Issue isn't exposure time, issue is how they are used. Austin, Rock, HHH, others did Raw, Smackdown week in week out and it was fine.

Issue is being unable to develop good mid cards with good story lines. Or when something decent starts just abruptly ending it or going in a bad direction.

Issue is making heels look weak as fuck always except for 1-2 people. I mean Wyatt family just looks like crap now because they haven't won any of their feuds.

Issue is not pushing new people properly.
 
Ambition

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The Silver said:
After Bork murdered Oldertaker, Bray came out and carried his dead body out of the arena.
Next night Kane came out for revenge(even though he's tried to kill Taker multple times) but the family beat him up and took him away too.

He comes out in that gif and says he took their souls and now has command of their powers.




Taker will returning be as biker Taker at Survivor Series along with Slow Chemical Kane.
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plssssssssssss

abstract alien said:
Lmao, what in the hell is Slow Chemical Kane?
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It's best Kane https://youtu.be/Z5lMOIFAJVI?t=6s
 
shaowebb

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Who would you say are the top 5 dead weight characters taking up room on the show and the top 5 characters in need of a push on the show right now folks?

Might give us some perspective on where things need changed the most overall.
 
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