Nydius
Member
Why would SE waste their time and money on this?
FF13 sold worse on X360 than PS3. FF15 sold worse on XBO than PS4. Crisis Core FF7 Reunion sold worst on Xbox platforms compared to PlayStation and Switch (and it was a significant margin between them).
Those are just Final Fantasy titles. If we expand to other SE published titles, a pattern clearly emerges. Outriders, Guardians of the Galaxy, Octopath Traveler: All sold poorly on Xbox and were Game Pass fodder.
The only way I can see SE doing this is if they already have a guarantee from Microsoft that they'll get a massive check to put the games on Game Pass. Because there's no way they'd ever recover enough money in sales to justify the expense of porting the games.
FF13 sold worse on X360 than PS3. FF15 sold worse on XBO than PS4. Crisis Core FF7 Reunion sold worst on Xbox platforms compared to PlayStation and Switch (and it was a significant margin between them).
Those are just Final Fantasy titles. If we expand to other SE published titles, a pattern clearly emerges. Outriders, Guardians of the Galaxy, Octopath Traveler: All sold poorly on Xbox and were Game Pass fodder.
The only way I can see SE doing this is if they already have a guarantee from Microsoft that they'll get a massive check to put the games on Game Pass. Because there's no way they'd ever recover enough money in sales to justify the expense of porting the games.
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Esppiral
Member
I meant PS5....
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If they're going to port it, Series S optimization could mean a better performance mode on Series X.
They haven't patched in a 40hz mode on the PS5 version yet and the performance mode is still shit. 30 FPS is the best way to play the game at the moment.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
The game's performance wasn't the bad part. It was the terrible pacing. I just couldn't stick with the games ultra lows.
Negotiator101
Member
We have a service that is financially viable, meaning it makes money, in Game Pass. We've put a lot of money into the market, over a billion dollars a year supporting third-party games coming into Game Pass
Phil Spencer
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
The bottom is pretty much guaranteed here. Either they get a massive cheque for putting it onto Gamepass, or a smaller but sizeable cheque for porting it to the platform. Probably porting costs and a bit extra. It's MS, they're desperate, they've got unlimited money and with Xbox they're clearly willing to take a financial hit to expand the audience. Assuming either scenario is true then it's a no brainer. They probably got a massive cheque for making it PS exclusive in the first place, along with FF7R.
CityHunter1981
An Absolute Desaster
Since it has underperformed, of course Square will try everything to milk more profit out of it.
I played it and sorry it's one of my least favorite FF games, I think even XV was so much better.
I played it and sorry it's one of my least favorite FF games, I think even XV was so much better.
kazuyamishima
Member
Source for that?
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Honestly I'd much much rather have XIV. And Bravely Default II.
Slightly above average game with some good moments, terrible pacing etc. I look forward to Square announcing low sales and taking none of the blame themselves. Unless of course it goes to Gamepass. The current state of XBOX retail sales, is not in a good place. Hopefully Square got a bag of cash somewhere.
Of course they would try to maximise profits but if it underperformed why do you believe they would double down on developing the game again for an under-performing platform? I don't understand why when SE have said it met expectations multiple times in investor meetings people try to say it underperformed. When they say some other game like TR didn't meet expectations people try to say they had too high expectations. Is it cool to always contradict what's been said?
Shake Your Rump
Banned
You know, Ellie, we really are the Final Fantasy.this is the Final, fantasy
CityHunter1981
An Absolute Desaster
Not in the general sense, but Square has said multiple times it didn't met their (too high) expectations.
They make a PC port anyway, porting it to XBOX then is not that hard, so even if the XBOX install base is not so big, it makes sense.
kazuyamishima
Member
You're probably confused with a tomb raider game, SE has reiterated many times that FF16 met their expectations.
nowhat
Member
Hey, will a Neogaf thread work as a reference?
Final Fantasy 16 sales results were in the range of their expectations, feel the penetration of PS5 performance was quite good.
Update: Likely a translation snafu in the earnings call. - https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fantasy-16-sales-did-not-meet-high-expectations-says-square-enix-president Sales of Final Fantasy 16 did not meet Square Enix's high expectations, said president Takashi Kiryu. Last week the...
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Isa
Member
At least we'll be getting Octopath Traveler II this year!
I don't get the hate man. Doom and gloom all over the place lately. I have every system and am busy AF lately finishing games off when I get the time. I'd consider getting the game a second time even though it wasn't my favorite by a long shot. I buy my games and usually day 1 or preorders for ultimate/collector's editions.
I definitely agree about their lower tier output. Triangle Strategy, Live-A-Live, SO2remake, Bravely Default II, Diofield Chronicle, the Mana games are all quite good. I too bought Little Goody Two Shoes which is beautiful, can't wait to see what the team draws up next. I need more of those sweet filters in my life.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
I might play 16, but it's going to be a hard sell for 7 remake, the game bored me to fucking tears at launch.
I'd double dip for SO2r in a heartbeat though.
I'd double dip for SO2r in a heartbeat though.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
Square just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase FFXVI for either system, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE.
You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.
Square, publicly apologize and cancel FFXVI for Xbox or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase FFXVI for either system, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE.
You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.
Square, publicly apologize and cancel FFXVI for Xbox or you can kiss your business goodbye.
kiphalfton
Member
Xbox getting PS sloppy seconds.
kiphalfton
Member
Or sloppy XVI
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Pedro Motta
Gold Member
The point was that they wouldn't do a late port of a game on a lower install base machine had it been a poor seller that cost them money when it was newly released on a popular system.
ByWatterson
Member
mayham2199
Member
I really enjoyed it. Good for Xbox players it's a great game.
mayham2199
Member
I played performance mode. Couldn't stand 30fps don't care what the guys at DF say. My eyes said stop doing this to me.
magnumpy
Member
these types of things are inherently subjective... to some people it will be fine while some others will view it as complete crap. it's all a matter of opinion.
Why does it matter to you fanboys, you got to enjoy the game, shouldn't everyone have the chance. I can't stand exclusives and locked off content, I just want to enjoy the best titles across all platforms.
The demo looked terrible, so hopefully the full game is better.
The demo looked terrible, so hopefully the full game is better.
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mayham2199
Member
Agreed. Before I went to pc ganging I couldn't even tell the difference I thought 30fps was fine. Now it hurts my eyes. Sometimes I can get used to it depends on the game.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Its not a waste of their money. That should be obvious, the same way how this whole thread is just stating the obvious. Nothing surprising about the game coming to the Xbox.
I figured it would make it to the Xbox the second they confirmed they would bring it to PC. If you are making a PC version, you might as well make an Xbox version. And I don't know what you mean by justify in sales, a port of the his game to PC and Xbox is not going to cost them 10s of millions to do. Probably can be wrapped up with under $5M, they game is already "made".... you can't say that between the PC and Xbox they don't get at least 1M in sales.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Somebody pls tell this news to Square then. All these 'insiders' is pure horoscope.
Senua
Member
Imagine buying a PS5 for that game, of all thingsKeep hoping, Xbros!
Or it's easier you buy a PS5 to enjoy the taste of FFXVI.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I think you have to pick one criticism per post or it undermines the argument.
You can have either (...checking notes...):
"Xbox gamers only play games on Gamepass"
Or
"Gamepass has failed because nobody's subscribing"
Otherwise you end up with "they don't all have Gamepass? Then they must be buying games."
And
"Hang on maybe the billions that Gamepass brings in, even with fewer subscribers than Microsoft wants, is enough to warrant this kind of action"
And then everyone's sad.
Personally, I'm not bothered either way, I won't be playing Final Fantasy under any circumstance.
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Shifty1897
Member
Are there Xbox weebs?
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Presuming there is still an Xbox console by the time FFXVII comes out, maybe.
Lucifers Beard
Member
It really wasn't that good at all. Xbox fans probably don't give a shit at this point. Day one release will likely net them more sales rather than this staggered release, timed exclusive bullshit.
SportsFan581
Member
I guess, for people that have a passing interest in this franchise, this will be a great get.
Anyway...
Anyway...
Aion002
Member
I bought it.
My goty.
Anyway, I hope it is released on Xbox, everybody should have access to good games. Also, anyone that says it isn't a good game, well, for example, Baldurs Gate 3 is trash for me... So...
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mayham2199
Member
I would normally agree with this but with the Series S this game might take more time than normal to port over to Xbox. It already struggles on the PS5.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Only when PlayStation does them, amirite?
Also Nick is the fakest insider I've ever seen in my life. The "source" for Visions of Mana on Xbox were Square-Enix themselves, in their December 7th press release for the game that literally mentioned Xbox Series alongside the other platforms.
But the fake "source" probably assumed most gamers can't read, so they ran with pretending they had secret insider info...that was on a publicly-available webpage...before the game was even shown off at the VGAs.
That's true gaming right there.
And if they shell out that Game Pass money Day 1? What then?
Just one less exclusive for PlayStation platforms, and likely one less reason to buy a PS5 Pro if you know the game's on PC since you can always get better performance there (if you're willing to pay for it). Apparently that makes gaming more "pro-consumer" or something, the gawkers tell me.
Hoping its straight to Gamepass
Use the PS base as early paypigs, give it to Xbox players for "free" with improved performance and extra content.
I mean Sony have already set this into motion themselves with PC getting HFW & Burning Shores with more perf options over console & a cheaper price for both. Only makes sense 3P would follow suit.
/s
You are aware that in addition to $$$ and marketing, Sony also helped to develop the game?
Final Fantasy XVI PS5 Exclusive Because Sony Co-Developed The Game and Can Better Market It
Why is Square Enix giving Sony the gift of a PS5-exclusive Final Fantasy XVI? Partly because Sony helped make the game.wccftech.com
No you don't get it. Sony Bad, okay? They're the big bad, evil megaconglomerate destroying gaming with anti-consumer exclusivity of 5% of Japanese games in existence even though the other 95% release on other platforms usually Day 1. But Sony are still completely evil and corrupt for those 5% they have exclusive. Total monopoly of the industry there.
It won't be fair until every 3P game and every 1P game is on all platforms so more people can play on Xbox and Nintendo which are still allowed to have tons of 1P and 3P exclusives because this is payback for PS1 & PS2.
And SEGAAAAA!!!
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Only when PlayStation does them, amirite?
Also Nick is the fakest insider I've ever seen in my life. The "source" for Visions of Mana on Xbox were Square-Enix themselves, in their December 7th press release for the game that literally mentioned Xbox Series alongside the other platforms.
But the fake "source" probably assumed most gamers can't read, so they ran with pretending they had secret insider info...that was on a publicly-available webpage...before the game was even shown off at the VGAs.
That's true gaming right there.
And if they shell out that Game Pass money Day 1? What then?
Just one less exclusive for PlayStation platforms, and likely one less reason to buy a PS5 Pro if you know the game's on PC since you can always get better performance there (if you're willing to pay for it). Apparently that makes gaming more "pro-consumer" or something, the gawkers tell me.
Use the PS base as early paypigs, give it to Xbox players for "free" with improved performance and extra content.
I mean Sony have already set this into motion themselves with PC getting HFW & Burning Shores with more perf options over console & a cheaper price for both. Only makes sense 3P would follow suit.
/s
No you don't get it. Sony Bad, okay? They're the big bad, evil megaconglomerate destroying gaming with anti-consumer exclusivity of 5% of Japanese games in existence even though the other 95% release on other platforms usually Day 1. But Sony are still completely evil and corrupt for those 5% they have exclusive. Total monopoly of the industry there.
It won't be fair until every 3P game and every 1P game is on all platforms so more people can play on Xbox and Nintendo which are still allowed to have tons of 1P and 3P exclusives because this is payback for PS1 & PS2.
And SEGAAAAA!!!
None of this matters Xbox have Palworld.
/joke
Squares new ceo said they won't be doing exclusives in the same way in the future but I'll believe that when I see it.
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