irfaanator
Banned
New card:
Apparently the text translates to "Double this minion's Attack at the start of your turn."
the new better shade. oh man, that + inner fire or w/e. if they can't take care of the 8/8, then you get that 16/8 next turn
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the new better shade. oh man, that + inner fire or w/e. if they can't take care of the 8/8, then you get that 16/8 next turn
Officerrob
Banned
I don't think it's good enough solo, obviously great in buffing decks
I think its pretty cool. I think it will work in Dragon Priest well. Could also be the card that finally makes Dragon Paladin work. Only two classes I could see playing it right now, Unless Blizzard tries to push more Dragon Synergy onto Warrior (They did give him Alex's Champion)
BananasWithGuns
Member
Considering Velen's Chosen is being rotated out and that most of the dragon cards have a fair amount more health than attack I could honestly see Inner Fire actually being a thing, especially with this card in your deck.
That said, I'm not even opposed to just dropping Nightmare Dragon by itself against a non-Priest.
Yeah, at 6 it's only competing with Drakonid Crusher. having so much health also is nice to keep alive with lesser heal
Yeah, 16 attack on your turn if you can somehow get it on this thing before your turn finishes and it does not get killed. Kinda nuts
irfaanator
Banned
it's a lot nicer than running a dragonkin sorcerer so i like it. also looks cooler
I think dropping it onto an empty board on turn 6 is a strong play. Worst case scenario is it eats some form of hard removal that then can't be used on Ysera. And if not, you have a 4/8 next turn and then you can buff, trade, whatever.
Professor Lich
Member
Worth noting about that Dragon, if it does get stolen by Cabal, it stays at 2 on your next turn. Depending on what class you're playing, that might make a difference.
Super Nothing
Member
It's really weak without an attack buff. Anything already on the board can attack it and only take 2 damage. Then, when it does get a chance to attack, it's relatively weak at only 4. It seems kind of clunky to me. If you really need a 6 drop dragon, I think Drakonid Crusher would be more reliable.
Emerson
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I agree. Against a couple classes it's a bad play, but against others it's really fine. Obviously you should build your deck with the idea of buffing this, but in certain matchups you can drop this alone on turn 6 and get away with it often enough.
Cabal into Cabal into Cabal into Cabal.
I wonder if this card would warrant running Shadow Word Fear for non-dragon Priest.
Can't wait for the video showing the Priest mirror where this thing is passed around four times.
Or just a pain
irfaanator
Banned
finally my crappy dragon paladin deck is gonna make a comeback
Or Consort on 5, coin Nightmare+Seal of Champions on turn 6.
What it really needs is a 2 mana buff card.
Oh, and while its super high risk, you could also run Crazed Alchemist with this.
Guys, that dragon seems really really bad. Like I don't understand why everybody is excited.
Buffing something the same turn you play it sounds like a great way to get punished with a silence. And if you don't buff it.... then it's a 2/8 or 4/8 for 6 mana....
The card seems super clunky.
Buffing something the same turn you play it sounds like a great way to get punished with a silence. And if you don't buff it.... then it's a 2/8 or 4/8 for 6 mana....
The card seems super clunky.
Well, they gave Druid a card that gets a bonus if it buffs a Beast. Maybe Paladin will get something similar, since it looks like it was an Archetype Blizzard was trying to push with BRM. 2 mana spell that goes like "Give a minion +2/+2. If it is a Dragon, give it Divine Shield"
I assumed they were just taking Trump's incredibly heavy hints that silence was getting nerfed into oblivion to heart.
I refuse to even talk about that card.
This card is very obviously the tester for whether Master of Disguise, silences and BGH get nerfed or not.
This card being printed means Master of Disguise is getting nerfed. Otherwise this is basically like setting up unavoidable lethal. Not something that Blizzard would want to promote.
This card is just a 6 mana "stats". Not that impressive to be honest without the Master of Disguise interaction. I guess it's cool that Dragons are getting a solid body at the 6 mana slot but at 5 and up you need special effects.
This card is very obviously the tester for whether Master of Disguise, silences and BGH get nerfed or not.
This card being printed means Master of Disguise is getting nerfed. Otherwise this is basically like setting up unavoidable lethal. Not something that Blizzard would want to promote.
This card is just a 6 mana "stats". Not that impressive to be honest without the Master of Disguise interaction. I guess it's cool that Dragons are getting a solid body at the 6 mana slot but at 5 and up you need special effects.
Karsticles
Member
New card excitement overshadowed my 3-legendary arena deck, but if it anyone cares I piloted it to 9 wins and lost my last game to a paladin who never traded, just went face every turn, and I didn't draw a single taunt or heal. Very disappointing way to finish that run.
However, I got a Golden Wildwalker as a reward and in my GvG pack a golden legendary--a Gazlowe.
If they ever reveal an actual enticing legendary for Old Gods I can craft it for free now!
However, I got a Golden Wildwalker as a reward and in my GvG pack a golden legendary--a Gazlowe.
If they ever reveal an actual enticing legendary for Old Gods I can craft it for free now!
*proceeds to talk about that card*
It's not even a solid body. It's a 2/8 for 6 mana. A midrange deck will laugh and just kill it and take basically no damage. Aggro won't give a shit. Even if it survives to attack it's like a vanilla 4/8, which is still below curve at 6 mana even before you realize that it was a 2/8 on your opponent's turn.
You HAVE TO buff it on the same turn you play it otherwise it's dumpster tier.
I'm guessing Owl will only target specific key text, but will still be a full silence. Like "Silence a Death Rattle Minion" or "Silence a Minion with Taunt". The Taunt I think is the most likely, since it would parallel how there are two neutral options to deal with Weapons, with a 2 mana soft counter, and a Legendary hard counter.
I think the really big HP pool will make it likely to survive several turns in Priest.
EleGiggle Turn 7 Nightmare Dragon - Conceal - Prep - Cold Blood EleGiggle
Assuming they keep the "soul" of Master of Disguise, she'll remain a 4/4 for 4 who can stealth for a turn, so you can shadowstep her to reuse her on the Nightmare Dragon.
Assuming they keep the "soul" of Master of Disguise, she'll remain a 4/4 for 4 who can stealth for a turn, so you can shadowstep her to reuse her on the Nightmare Dragon.
It still has 8 HP which makes it hard to kill for a 6 drop. Can't exactly BGH it either.
When you are winning this card can seal out the game quick. I can't really discount this card even though my gut is saying this card is not all that good. Cards that need buffs to be excellent often aren't that great in HS.
When you are winning this card can seal out the game quick. I can't really discount this card even though my gut is saying this card is not all that good. Cards that need buffs to be excellent often aren't that great in HS.
Super Nothing
Member
It's hard to kill, but it doesn't really put up much of a fight with only 2 attack. And it's going to have to survive at least 2 turns before it becomes a serious threat without some kind of buff played on it.
The folks that like nightmare dragon do so because it speaks to their inner Johnny. This is one of the best parts of the release cycle to be a Johnny. Within a month after release you'll be forced to bend to the super-optimzed decks of the ladder. But right now all opportunities are open, and man, wouldn't it be cool if...
I don't think silence effect itself would change, it's needed, how else you deal with a lot of broken combos. More likely cards with silence instead would get changed and they are quite a few of them. Silence, mass dispel, earthshock etc. The bulk of nerfed cards would be about silence. They are very under costed, it's supposed to be a control tool, not an aggro tool.
Alexstrasza's Champion is not enough to make the dragon archetype work in Warrior, even though it is a GREAT card. But it is a great card in a bad deck that doesn't hang together if you try to stuff dragons into it. I don't think this new one will change that.. there are, realistically, too many good targets for Inner Rage without this guy and you can't run 6 copies of it.
Maexxna doesn't have the game ending burst that this Dragon can have. That's what I am talking about.
I still think the card is probably not going to be good but this is the type of card that you kinda need to be careful of until the full set is released.
Grom is a staple and he is a 4/9 for 8 mana. But he doesn't just have an effect on that turn, where this dragon doesn't AT ALL.. he represents stupendous reach that can be used right away. That's what is realistically needed to offset such a terrible stat line. Even so, depending on what happens with BGH, this dragon could be THE primary finisher for a Dragon Priest deck, or it could simply be unplayable. Playing two cards for a chance at lethal, but getting it killed for free is crippling.
I suppose you could wait until your turn to Inner Fire it, but shit, you could do that with an Oasis Snapjaw and get a 7/7. Doesn't seem too appealing.
If you Inner Fire it on the turn you played it, then it can be killed by BGH before it can attack. If not, you get a 16/8. High risk high reward. If you leave it alone so as to avoid that possibility, then you get a 4/8 or you can buff it to an 8/8 (assuming it took no damage). That's why this card is so vulnerable to what gets done with the nerf list.