Digital Foundry PS4 Pro Launch Coverage Begins
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Always-honest
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Do what you think is wise, based on the info you know.
Nothing wrong with that either.
plagiarize
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I'm watching to see what it does for PSVR before I decide if I want to upgrade. I'm definitely not sold on the 1080p benefits alone.
Lifejumper
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Better graphics, framerate and IQ isnt justified?
Yes i corrected that part , bad wording.
Regarding the Cpu , I was talking about people expectation of 30 to 60 fps increase, that won't be possible. i think.
What Richard means is, specifically, Pro is about rendering in higher resolutions and greater visual and graphical fidelity(in order to scale better to 4K televisions) not framerate.
Your wrong if you take that to mean that there is no point to the console outside of 4K.
He's talking about HDMI 2.0.
Finale Fireworker
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Quoting just so it doesn't get lost with the new page.
AndyMoogle
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4k downsampled to 1080p is vastly better than native 1080p.
ronaldthump
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Horizon's engine is developed specifically to maximize its world size, graphical budget and CPU time at 30fps. It doesn't even run at over 30fps to begin with according to Guerrilla, that is a design choice based on hardware limitations.
You've been on this 60fps crusade, arguing against the developers themselves for days now. Calm yo self.
Heckler456
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Yeah. The console is rendering the image at a higher resolution than your screen is capable of, and subsequently downscaling it to 1080p.
RichiRamjag
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I'm not sure why most of you expected 60fps to begin with at a 30% CPU boost. In addition to the other issues, games being designed for specific rates, etc, the writing was on the wall.
Still, it seems like some games coming out are offering the option, so I'd wait and see.
Karspankey
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An example of supersampling would be having a game render at 1800p and then shrunk down to match your display's resolution. Think about how certain games can be 900p or 720p on console. It's a noticeable difference from 1080p on a screen where 1080 is native. Now with supersampling, you get to go beyond 1080p and the quality gets better the higher the resolution the game renders at!
More or less. You render an image at 3840 x 2160 and then convert it to 1920 x 1080. Each pixel in the 1080p image corresponds to four in the 4K image. Imagine the top left pixel in a 1080p display is (1, 1) - as in, the first on the X axis and the first on the Y axis - this would map to (1, 1), (2, 1), (1, 2) and (2, 2) on a 4K display. To supersample, you average the colours from the four 4K pixels into the single 1080p pixel.
This is, essentially, the perfect anti-aliasing solution. It is brute force, and expensive, but it is incredibly effective.
Caayn
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Although I think that DF is going a bit overboard with the amount of small videos and articles they do instead of just the larger ones. I'm really interested in their PS4 Pro articles.Dont worry they will have have like 300 articles on the pro.
Cant wait.
Not necessarily . I've had plenty of HDMI High Speed cables that didn't reach 18Gbps. You can transmit 4K/60fps with 10.2Gbps, which every high speed cable will reach, but you'll be stuck with 8bit colour and 4:2:0 chroma subsampling on that bandwidth.
family_guy
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The length of the cable might be a problem for some people. Too long and some cables are unable to maintain the throughput.
I think some people are setting themselves up for disappointement expecting big improvements going from SATA2 to 3 from a console that couldn't even take full advantage of SATA2 SSDs...
And once again, even in a a PC with a beefy CPU and all, going from SATA2 to 3 isn't all that different in the vast majority of scenarios.
Not if there is a base clock for both CPU and GPU.
This is not true as I've found out.
I have a load of supposedly "high-speed" cables which DO NOT properly support 4K. Some are limited to just 4K60 at 4:2:0 while others just glitch out completely. This gets worse the longer the cable is. Even active cables won't necessarily solve it.
Just because a cable says its compliant, doesn't mean it will actually work. I've tested this extensively now. The quality of the cable DOES matter here.
Unknown?
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Where did you find this and what does it mean?
As yet there is no evidence to suggest that the Pro benefits from SATA III at all. I wouldn't be surprised if it's got it simply because it was no dearer than a SATA II part.
I didn't expect games to jump from 30fps to 60fps but at this stage I'm not even sure if games that target 60fps will even hit 60fps. Take battlefield for example, it targets 60fps but multiplayer on 64-player servers can see the frame rate drop to 45 and usually hover anywhere up to 55. If the Pro is going to be rendering a 1080p image with super sampling then what difference does that make if the actual feel of the game is still off? It's basically the same thing we got when PS4 launched. Games will push visuals beyond the capabilities of the system because it hits the targeted frame rate 90% of the time. Sadly the 10% it doesn't is when it is most crucial. I hope digital foundry are able to pump out frame rate comparison videos before it launches. I have a pre-order in case but I am very tentative at the moment.
No, the workload seems not to be a usual data stream - this is where ssds shine (apart from access time but for this, you don't need sata 3).
Commanche Raisin Toast
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Pretty sure a lot of these games that are sticking to 30fps are because the game was never designed with Pro in mind to begin with. They built the game and optimized the engine and assets with the assumption that PS4 is PS4 and that's that.
I expect games releasing next year and moving forward to have 30fps/60fps modes on PS4/Pro when they've had time with both units to optimize for them.
Until Pro, games were made to squeeze as much pretty out of the PS4 as possible and try to make the frame rate decent. Now the game has changed slightly and they can focus their efforts differently.
I expect games releasing next year and moving forward to have 30fps/60fps modes on PS4/Pro when they've had time with both units to optimize for them.
Until Pro, games were made to squeeze as much pretty out of the PS4 as possible and try to make the frame rate decent. Now the game has changed slightly and they can focus their efforts differently.
But the cable delivered with Ps4Pro does the job, right?
GhostOfSparta305
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Uh. No it's not. The design decisions you just listed are the limitation, not the hardware.
Big, pretty worlds can still be made at 60fps on old hardware.
Huh.Inuhanyou said:
What you think passes for an "argument" sure says a lot.
JetBlackPanda
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Wait what is this from? And who is saying it?
Wut? Where?
Edit:
Ah, in the DF article. Must be related to how they capture/deliver their comparisons.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...ystation-4-pro-whats-next-for-digital-foundry
Karspankey
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Developer says that they made their engine specifically for 30fps, you say no they didn't. IDK who to believe man ¯\_(ツ
_/¯ if you want 60fps so bad, I'm afraid that consoles are no longer for you.Zombie James
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I hope this doesn't mean they're going back to third-party or in-house streaming like they used to do. That shit was horrible. Just offer un-YouTube compressed MP4's to download or something.
GhostOfSparta305
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Polish those glasses.
Devs don't have to make their engine specifically for 30fps.
Purely a design choice.
Like?
ViolentP
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The levels of these benefits on a 1080p TV at this time do not seem worth the upgrade to me, no. If I didn't own a PS4 and was looking to jump in, I would get a Pro however.
BigEmil
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I presume what the devs meant was they altered their engine to get the absolute potential of the PS4 optimising and fully using every nook and cranny of the console which got them much more resources to use for the game visual prowess.
Then changing this to suddenly 60fps will be much more demanding and harder to do with all the graphics they managed to squeeze out in 30fps buffer unless they remove all that and the downgrade to be very severe.
There is a thing called a more demanding game you know not all games are equal on how demanding they can be.
User123456
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MGSV looks pretty freaking nice and it runs at a sweeeeet framerate.
Finale Fireworker
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Thank you everyone for the recap on supersampling.
Guardian Monkey
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I had to re-read that a few times. But they're talking about digital foundry streaming at higher resolutions not that the PS pro will have a UHD Blu-ray player.
Edit: I had to actually find the article to figure out what that meant in context
FalsettoVibe
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Can't wait for the graphic mode comparisons.
Black Republican
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wasnt okami ps3 HD downsampled from 4k?
Heckler456
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Not as nice as a hypothetical MGSV with a target of 30 fps.
The Lamonster
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Digital Foundry is an industry treasure. I don't know what we'd do without them.
Anyway, I'm mostly looking forward to PSVR game comparisons. Nothing from DF in that arena, yet.
Anyway, I'm mostly looking forward to PSVR game comparisons. Nothing from DF in that arena, yet.
Literally the only 60FPS open world game on consoles, and barely contains any people, towns, or AI, and complex geometry to get in the way.
It also has the benefit of being a last gen game.
GhostOfSparta305
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You literally just described devs making a decision on how to use their hardware.
Would it blow your mind if I told you there were multiple ways to do that?