Where are the tests?
Digital Foundry PS4 Pro Launch Coverage Begins
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Where are the tests?
Agreed, PS3 was just lower in every respect - large numbers of indie titles weren't 60 on it either, and retail releases were both more numerous and more consistently 30(or lower) than in PS2 or PS4 gen.dark10x said:
Yea it does sound like an interesting project to explore, maybe starting with retro consoles...
The Dear Leader
Banned
That's almost too logical for most folks though.
God I don't even now how often I explained that fact to people here...
Trogdor1123
Member
1080 with 60fps was my desire for the pro. Guess I'll just wait till there is a new ps5.
Crayon
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I think they pro games with a 60fps option could lead to it being a selling point. I think this is actually a good juncture to be vocal about it. It won't be possible on all games but it the games that do support it can show that it was worth the trouble, then that could lead to a sea change.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Nah , think it would be move even at least for AAA.
Truth is we are moving more to 60fps .
Most FPS games are now 60fps comapre to last gen .
Then there are indies and VR .
Risk Breaker
Member
Yeah, that is the reasonable thing to expect, and there's no reason why it won't be the case.
I'll get right on that once horizon is released and is $5 on a steam sale
The Dear Leader
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GhostOfSparta305
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Ratchet & Clank too.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I wouldn't even own a PlayStation if it weren't for exclusives sooooo
Guess what, most PS5 games will be 4K/30fps
Hatty
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I do, but until sony decides to release their exclusives on PC I'll just keep hoping that someday, console power and publishers budgets would get to a state where it's too expensive for developers to make everything pretty. That high framerates will simply happen as a happy consequence of diminishing returns.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Talking about next gen maybe we will get something like this .
Native 4k@30fps
Checkboard 4K@60fps
Since consoles going to have settings now and devs will have a lot time to play around with tech .
Native 4k@30fps
Checkboard 4K@60fps
Since consoles going to have settings now and devs will have a lot time to play around with tech .
GhostOfSparta305
Banned
Good news! Pro has that.
That won't change anything.Tregdor1123 said:
Voting with your wallet for 1080p60 games now will.
I guess I'll pick up bloodborbe and the uncharted series at the same time. Should be a $20 bundle.
The Dear Leader
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Never heard of Bloodborbe but Uncharted should be on sale too.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/348730/
visiblemode
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Look, I love 60 fps. I don't obsess on it like some, but it's a strong preference. That said, the others on here are right. The power will 95% always be applied to increased bells and whistles. 60fps flies over most people's heads. It won't be put front and center unless power ends up outstripping the ability to create elaborate content...but consoles usually have modest specs.
Milly Osworth
Member
I ordered a pro, first non Nintendo console for me since ps2 😜
Those aren't the only games ever.
BTW you can still play them on your PS4 if you get a PC for the fancy gfx/fps which is what I do
About time 😬
GhostOfSparta305
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Power will go where enough people are willing to pay for it. Never was the issue.
visiblemode said:
Explain.
visiblemode said:
Who's asking for this?
visiblemode said:
As I said, power was never the issue.
Cool, knock yourself out
Id rather use the money for another 4K set.
Gota get in on that CIV lifestyle bro.
But rly I get why people want the pro over a PC, but I wish the whole CANT PLAY UNCHARTED ON PC LOL stuff went away.
NXGamer
Member
This argument is silly, a locked 60 is not confirmed on any hardware for Every title.
You pick what suits you best, higher end Pc is the safer option for that choose but in the last few years we have seen enough titles to prove that is not the case.
In the end solid, locked 30 with a flat 33ms delivery with Pomb is perfectly acceptable.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
Jesus fucking christ guys
It isn't silly, it is stupid. What happened, dark10x?
Some of us want better than acceptable, we want excelling super responsiveness extreme!
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I wonder if Richard's comments like:
Or the comment about "the main issues for me are going to be fan noise, ... "
are not just simple guesswork but actually informed by testing they've already done - but can't openly talk about yet. What is this "copying bandwidth" he talks about?
Or the comment about "the main issues for me are going to be fan noise, ... "
are not just simple guesswork but actually informed by testing they've already done - but can't openly talk about yet. What is this "copying bandwidth" he talks about?
NXGamer
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Power extreme...extreme...treme.....
visiblemode
Member
Will summarize my apparently esoteric point.
Devs put resources to work for what sells games to the greatest number of people.
I'm a skeptic of "voting with your wallet" for an issue that only a small percentage of gamers will take seriously.
Even on Gaf, a huge proportion of people say that 30fps is fine...and this is the home to discerning gamers. I can't see a day, soon, at Best Buy when average consumers are asking if a game is 60fps.
So yes, power factors in, because devs need power to spare before they prioritze framerate. History illustrates that.
This, again, coming from someone that loves high FPS and sees it as something very impactful.
RowdyReverb
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I've really been looking forward to their analysis. I feel like I've read about the Pro's benefits several times, but seeing is believing
GhostOfSparta305
Banned
So we agree that devs like money.
Don't be. Devs like money.
And you know this...how?
Explain to me how "30fps is fine" = "I don't want a 60fps mode" ?
There was a time when they didn't know what the word "graphics" meant either.
It doesn't.
PS2 had both the weakest power and the most 60fps games in its generation.
FukuDaruma
Member
PC is great, but you don't get the Last of Us, the Uncharted's, the God of War's and so and so... plus, you have a lot more problems to deal with in every game and a lot of multiplatform games come much later to PC (Rockstar, years later or never) or are bad ports with crippling performance.
And btw, 30fps gameplay on consoles has always been much smoother than 30fps on PC, still today even with the most powerful and expensive GPU's.
Personally, Aliasing is what bothers me the most in console games. I can do with 30 if both fps and framepacing are good enough for display Frame Interpolation to work properly, which is the usual case on consoles but not on PC. Native 60fps would be better but less jaggies, less shimmering and better visual fidelity may be more important in most cases. Anyway, games that really need it like Gran Turismo will keep going at 60fps even on PS4 standard right?
Guardian Monkey
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30 fps on console is smoother than 30 fps pc? I'm not even sure what that means.
He has no idea what he's talking about.
Finally watched the video and my only real question is, who did a poo in Richards shoe? If you don't want to do an unboxing then don't. It's an embargo, not an instruction lol.
Copying files from an external drive to the HDD.
Copying files from an external drive to the HDD.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Think he means vsync'd 30 on console compaeed to Pc since most Pc games don't have a vsync locked 30fps option so most people play it unlocked, for the people more in the know they can do it through nvidia driver etc not many people know that. Also motion blur with 30
Guardian Monkey
Member
Both major GPU providers have Vsync built-in, and any recent PC game will also have Vsync as an option in the menus. Still not sure what he's going for there.
2blackcats
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Primethius
Banned
He's definitely wrong but getting a PC smooth 30 FPS that mirrors the console 30 FPS can be quite a problematic experience as you have to tinker around quite a bit and it's almost always different settings per user/game.
Checkerboard Render
Banned
It's been raised before, it's when the input latency is much lower on some console games at 30fps vs. running the same game on PC forced to 30fps. This can vary from game to game, and can sometimes be fixed by using external forcing utilities like Nvidia inspector rather than the games own 30fps lock - if it has such an option. Frame pacing can also be an issue which ties into input latency, however console games are certainly not exempt from this either - see Bloodborne, DS3, Mafia3, etc.
Forza Horizon is apparently one recent example - at 30fps, there have been a lot of complaints that the PC version has pretty noticeably controller lag. Owners of both the Xbone and the PC version have tested it and report that this was the case - the xbone version was much more responsive despite also being at 30fps.
So the evidence at this point is largely anecdotal, it's really hard to make a definitive statement that '30fps locks on PC are worse than console' at this point. All I can say is that I frequently hear reports of poor frame pacing when using 30fps lock on games that give the option for PC, and Digital Foundry has reported this on numerous occasions too and usually force it through drivers. Don't know why that is.
It's an example of the bane/benefit of the PC - you can generally fix the problem by other methods - but you have to know what you're doing. It's a reason (aside from exclusives) that "Just get a PC if you want 60fps" really isn't a slam-dunk choice for console players who complain about 30fps, PC and console are still quite different in operation.
Guardian Monkey
Member
Wow OK. I totally didn't see him going there with that but thats some good information looking at it from that point of view.
samueljustice00
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Can.. can we get back to talking about the Pro guys?
J_ToSaveTheDay
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First game I install on my Pro..?
... Yeah, first game I install on my Pro. Was gonna be Rise of the Tomb Raider, but it can wait. I haven't quite finished Titanfall 2 campaign (I will probably finish it Sunday, my next day off) but I will probably immediately start a replay or jump into multi on Thursday when I get my Pro.
Spiral Insanity
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So now console players have lower standards? Gotcha.
I thought this whole 'PC Master Race' stanning was a bannable offense here?