Digital Foundry PS4 Pro Launch Coverage Begins
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captainraincoat
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Yeah that 3 fps increase is pretty great.
The only real upgrade on the XB1S is HDR, but you wouldn't care about real upgrades, would you?
From playing bf1 and cod the bone version definitely plays much smoother....bf1 is the most noticeable ,especially on the 64player maps when you have 20 people around you lobbing grenades on that forest map...if the pro can deliver a smoother experience I'll be happy
I think people are going to be disappointed as they will be expecting 3k gaming pc visuals from the sounds of it.
Nice explanation. People who thinks that checkerboard technique is upscaling should read this.
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
all games released after pro launches will be pre-patched for pro support breh.
10/10, thanks for the laugh.
Checkerboard is expensive upscaling. If it isn't native, it is upscaling no matter what Sony or AMD calls it. Call a spade a spade.
it's not native but it isn't upscaling either
It is upscaling. That is the literal meaning of the "word".
No apologies needed!
We're part of the same company for sure but it's just the four of us doing work for DF!
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Even with that very tiny performance boost, the original PlayStation 4 is still 31% more powerful than the Xbox One S.
So, a 30% performance boost isn't important, but that 7% boost, is?
Don't worry, you're not alone. I've heard that opinion expressed many times here on GAF. I don't understand it, but yeah, I've heard it.
are you david, tom, Richard or Damien? if you don't mind me asking?
And the work is appreciated! Love the videos and articles! Look forward to more.
Karspankey
Banned
Das John boy
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
How many smooths per second though?
BF1 is the litmus test for the PS4 Pro, as far as I'm concerned. If they can get a locked 60 then I'll bite.
John.
Damien isn't really part of DF - just contributes occasional gadget articles, really. He's working primarily on other sites!
Data Ghost
Member
Its common for an old timer to feel threatened when a young fresh upstart comes along. If you watch closely Richard quickly takes every opportunity to shoot Tom down and enforce his knowledge and authority. This is very common and happens in all jobs, even if the old timer has nothing to really add they will make a point of speaking up straight afterwards in an attempt to ensure they still appear relevant, and more importantly, at a level above the other person. Seen it time and time again.
ok, keep up the good work, really enjoy DF videos (I watch on youtube)
RowdyReverb
Member
I wonder if the Pro has improved Remote Play performance. I recall some speculation that the "PS4K" as it was known then might have improved encoding abilities
remote play is 1080p 60 on the Pro
TrebuchetGames
Member
I actually think their idea to have an embargo of different things at different times is actually a very good idea. It seemed to me that RL didnt like doing an unboxing video but as everyone else is doing one because of the embargo they didnt have much choice and didnt want to be left out. I would say thats a win for Sony as they get coverage over a number of days and more rather than just an initial hit.
I think i understand why they havent been going full steam, is because they are not trying to be like "this is a new gen" but more like "its just a slim" type marketing. But I personally would have liked a clearer message on what benefits some of these games are getting, as thats not particularly clear.
michaelius
Banned
It's testament to how great Microsoft marketing became under Phil Spencer - they are true masters of giving small details that create great for them misconceptions.
Interesting
InFamous Second Son:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/04/infamous-second-son-first-light-showcase-power-of-ps4-pro/
InFamous Second Son:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/04/infamous-second-son-first-light-showcase-power-of-ps4-pro/
BigEmil
Junior Member
Both Infamous already had a unlocked fps option so guess this patch pushed it to 60 on the Pro
geordiemp
Member
Wat ?
I did not notice a significant amount of demanding AAA titles on xb1 s hitting 1080p yet, to me Xb1 S should of been stronger than Ps4, MS had plenty of time. A performance boost from bad to poor is hardly exciting lol
PS4 pro is what Ps4 should of been imo.
At least Scorpio looks good for next year and hopefully MS can fit a Zen in there to make it a 60 FPS beast.
potatohead
Member
Not really, just that fans of any product will delude themselves to favour their already preferred brand for all sorts of reasons.
7%, 30%, 1/3rd, pi, it's all just numbers. What matters is how those numbers make you feel!
And we will forever be shackled to the Vita's shit WiFi chip it seems... unless... Trinity?
I use my mac for remote play now
PeterLegend
Member
Wait people comparing the extra fps boost on the xbox s to a ps4 pro LOL.
Still 1.4 TF gpu vs 4.2 GPU, 1.8 ghz cpu vs 2.1 ghz cpu, not to mention the faster ram
Still 1.4 TF gpu vs 4.2 GPU, 1.8 ghz cpu vs 2.1 ghz cpu, not to mention the faster ram
kikonawa
Member
Then you need a ps4 instead of a xbox Constant boost
Which is amazing, that a person decide that something is better for them, so obviously anyone enjoying something else is wrong and should be talk down to or told how they are wrong.
Yeah I was loving RP on my Galaxy 7 until homeboy stopped updating the unofficial app. I don't really want to root, so I'm stuck with a Vita that can't even hit my router consistently when I'm in bed
Seeing that it's still up for pre-order on all the major US sites I doubt it will sell out. Might be tough to score one during black Friday, but I'm sure you'll be able to walk into any store on the 10th and pick one up.
TrebuchetGames
Member
I keep seeing people go on about PS4 Pro is what the PS4 should have been, but if it had been the cost would have been probably another PS3 disaster.
The reason Sony can do this now is that its affordable for them to do so, they could have done it at launch, it would have been too expensive and people would have moaned. The step approach is the best they could have done based on a reasonable price at launch.
Scorpio will also need to be cost appropriate otherwise, whats the point, you can always buy more power, but people don't want to pay.
geordiemp
Member
Ps4 was £ 100 cheaper than xb1 at launch, they could of easily upped the CPU Ghz closer to 2, a bigger box, a nice cooler and maybe 20-30 % more GPU and slapped on 50 bucks - hands down winner.
Ps3 was a disaster as it was more expensive AND it did not run many games as good as 360. If Ps3 has a good GPU and smahed 360, the price would of been justified, but it was a crap design for the price. Last gen I had both, and 360 worked so much better on multiplat.
Anyway, back on topic, Pro is a fair design choice if there was no way for Sony to squeeze a zen in and shoot for 60 fps.
Garrett Hawke
Member
this is going to be weird but can you explain
are there two johns? is there two richards? there are two people who sound super alike on some of the videos and I think I know your voice (retro) and I know who Richard is, and I know who tom is - so who is the last person that often speaks in the videos?
Yes, but it's also supposedly 720p 60 on the current PS4 and the wireless/encoding hardware on the machine is inadequate to translate that into an experience anywhere near as smooth/vivid as Steam streaming even with 5ghz/ethernet speeds on the PC client. Considering Sony's history of using cheap hardware that undercuts the remote play experience on all platforms where it's introduced, I'm not getting my hopes up that the Pro will deliver a markedly better experience at 1080p than it currently does at 720p for games that demand minimal latency and consistent framerates like shooters etc. That being said, I'd love to be surprised.
Edit: Also, I've never paid attention to Eurogamer/DF personalities before, but this Richard fellow stating that unboxing videos are inane at the beginning of his unboxing video is one of the better things I've seen in video game media for a long time. This is just the kind of cranky old gamer mentality I could get behind.
If you decide you like power, then it would make sense that 31% is a bigger boost than 7%.
But, clearly some people here feel otherwise, and that's fine by me.
Some people here only like performance if it's in an unpatched game. I don't understand that either.
In a world where patches have become the norm, not the exception (and a necessity tbh, as they're the only way to improve software already released and ffs this is the digital age we're talking about), I'm trying to understand the logic where a marginal boost with no patching is more impressive and appealing than a bigger improvement with a patch.
What difference does it make whether it needs a patch or not?
It is not power, it's loyalty to a brand. Superior or inferior doesn't matter. It's just ignorance and stupidity, at least when you try to push your agenda on others.
mordecaii83
Member
It's basically a way to justify the preference for their favorite system. The XB1S's performance increase is so small that it seems silly to champion it vs the much larger jump of the PS4P.
MissCauthon
Member
Why make a PRO patch for infamous and not Bloodborn....
StrongBlackVine
Banned
First party studio that cares about technical proficiency vs From Software.
Primethius
Banned
Yes, why would Sucker Punch make a patch for their game but FROM not theirs?
That's really the question on everyone's mind.
Probably because Infamous is developed by a Sony studio...
That and it sold more, and had its also patched DLC free on PSN+.
BigEmil
Junior Member
First the tech wasn't there in 2013 and second it would've made the console that time cost like $700 or more to produce
One is first party and the other is not.