Ulysses 31
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Especially seeing she's a doctor who can treat injuries and perform surgeries.
Dragon Age Veilguard has an unhinged gender diary
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RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
Angry_Megalodon
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Because they hate women and their idea of "woman" is a dickless man. And not any man, but the most obnoxious kind, the one-liner macho type without the cool factor, which looks ridiculous in a woman.
That's why every "strong woman" has all the features of archetype old villains.
tommib
Banned
Only after indeed. And even then it was like, ah that's pretty cool.Lev was cool in LOU2. In fact, it was so much the opposite of in your face that some people didn't even notice he was trans! I had mates in real life who didn't even realize until I mentioned it and I believe my mate on here,tommib also didn't even realize lol.
GymWolf
Gold Member
And yet, ellie was a worse character than abby, they turned her into an ever more edgie angry, annoying cunt and she has that aloy tone throught the game where she seems annoyed to talk and respond to everybody, i already found her extremely annoying in the first game but in the second one i was 100% team abby.
You can hate her for killing joel, but she does nothing wrong in the game, she even is the superior human being when she let the bitch live after she killed the love of her life and all of her friends, people that she knew since childhood, in comparison the kill of joel is fucking nothing as a revenge.
Fight me.
You can hate her for killing joel, but she does nothing wrong in the game, she even is the superior human being when she let the bitch live after she killed the love of her life and all of her friends, people that she knew since childhood, in comparison the kill of joel is fucking nothing as a revenge.
Fight me.
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Angry_Megalodon
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Oh my, I forgot about this. Then it's 10000 times more stupid. If Ellie turned into a titan it wouldn't be as ridiculous as that.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Christ even with Peter Griffin overlaid over the top that Tassh character is still an insufferable cunt and hard to listen too, that idiotic game director has properly set back the trans movement fucking years with that moron, how did no one within Bioware or EA not see this or how the hell did any of the alphabet purple hairs with a modicum of sensibilities not pipe up and say this could be damaging
Hawk The Slayer
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Lmao for real, they got combo with so many woke game failures throughout this year with today being the finishing blow. Well deserved.
Yeah even Fallout 76 a very "safe" type of game had a NPC named Pierce that questioned this in the main raider town. There's a npc called Burke that prefers to be one of those they/them weirdos and the other npcs would say something like not sure why that's important in a wasteland when there's more important things to worry about but whatever,
Yeah having a gay or lesbian characters in game was never a problem for a lot of people. Shows and games with actual good characters and ain't woke shits do not make a big deal about them being lgbt so people just view them as yet another awesome character in a good game or show. Veronica from New Vegas is a awesome lesbian character, Griffon from Berserk, Puri Puri Prisoner from One Punch Man. Kaine from Nier. LGBT game Goodie Little Two Shoes. Never heard any bigot-like comments towards them. They were simply great characters.I don't understand this. TES always had super gay stuff and literal non-binary lizard race in them where they can actually choose which gender they want in their coming of age. The difference is they're not the woke in your face preachy stuff. Shit, even bestiality is normal in TES.
xanaum
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Man, usually I don't care about the sexual behavior or orientation of people I'm never gonna sleep with, but in Dragon Age's case, it's fascinating how so many people who clearly need therapy got together to write super specific, cringe worthy fetish dialogues and scripts and managed to get millions in funding to make it happen.
Honestly, I think they messed up trying to play it so seriously in a game with a big fanbase. If they'd risked it as a new IP and leaned into comedy, maybe there would've been something worth salvaging.
Honestly, I think they messed up trying to play it so seriously in a game with a big fanbase. If they'd risked it as a new IP and leaned into comedy, maybe there would've been something worth salvaging.
stn
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Yup. With Veilguard, I think some people are avoiding it because they feel forced into certain things (ex. you must pick pronouns at the start of the game, the dialogue choices are all same-y, etc...). Generally speaking, people tend to revolt and get fed up when they feel cornered and stripped of their choice.
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GymWolf
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The italian version has a made up pronoun for the third choice (the one after he and she).
At least i think it's made up, it's like a strange mix of lui\he-lei\her with a letter written in reverse...it looks like a name that musk would give to his 13th son with grimes or some shit...
Literally fucking up thousands years old languages...
At least i think it's made up, it's like a strange mix of lui\he-lei\her with a letter written in reverse...it looks like a name that musk would give to his 13th son with grimes or some shit...
Literally fucking up thousands years old languages...
Bernardougf
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Being woke or Abby were not the game main problems, plot holes, contrivances , new bad characters and legacy character assassinations were the bigger problems... bigot sandwiches and she-hulks were cherry on the shit cake top.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
ocuneflock lois: "sounds the same"
peter: so this is where the first guy got aids.. HOLY SHIT! i nearly shit myself!!!
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GymWolf
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If i have to be completely honest, i didn't really gave much fucks about the plot, charas and writing of the first game, i thought they were extremely derivative and predictable with joel and the clickers being the best thing in the game, for me a game like yakuza 0 shit so much on tlou plot\character wise that is not even funny, so having a subpar narrative in the second one wasn't a huge problem for me, i just enjoyed the vastly improved graphic, animations, combat and enemy encounters, i never expected great plot or characters tbh
Bernardougf
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Is so good to see someone reasonable explain their love for the game ... cant argue against any of what you said.If i have to be completely honest, i didn't really gave much fucks about the plot, charas and writing of the first game, i thought they were extremely derivative and predictable with joel and the clickers being the best thing in the game, for me a game like yakuza 0 shit so much on tlou plot\character wise that is not even funny, so having a subpar narrative in the second one wasn't a huge problem for me, i just enjoyed the vastly improved graphic, animations, combat and enemy encounters, i never expected great plot or characters tbh
I never tried any of the Yakuza games, they are some many that I simply dont know where to start.
GymWolf
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Lol i don't think my post was particularly great but thanks anyway
Btw, Y0 is where you start and it's the best game in the saga, don't listen to people saying to start with 1, starting with 0 make 1 much better if anything.
Sharius
Member
And somehow when their woke game fail, it's not because of wokeness but because of other trivial thing
When people voice out their anti-woke, it's being dimiss right away by their media that it's just minority group, but when it come to something disadvance for them they suddenly turn into minority, what's a hypocrisy
When people voice out their anti-woke, it's being dimiss right away by their media that it's just minority group, but when it come to something disadvance for them they suddenly turn into minority, what's a hypocrisy
bender
What time is it?
The problem with Abby is that they dug a massive hole with how they introduced her and there was little chance of escaping that hole no matter how well written and acted the character was. Her motivations are fine, but just like every other new character introduced in TLOU2, they are given no room for development and make so many braindead decisions that it's hard to believe they'd survive in this post apocalyptic world much less have empathy for them. That's probably more true for Ellie and the cast of characters from her side of the story, but I just hated everyone as in the back of my head I was always thinking, "they'd be zombie food long before they got to the destinations in the story." I do think Abby's arc is further hurt by the clumsy parallels ND tried to draw between she and Lev and Joel and Ellie from the original.
And speaking of the original, I can see not liking Ellie from that game, but she was just a snotty little kid and little kids are often snotty so I thought she worked more or less. I do agree her character is ruined in the sequel for the reasons above. TLOU2 is the anthesis of "make stupid choices, win stupid prizes", though I guess a lot of people did die so maybe not the most apt descriptor.
Imru’ al-Qays
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The key to understanding TLoU2's story is that Druckmann is Israeli.
GymWolf
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Let's not get political or the mods are gonna act accordingly.
FalconPunch
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Low key one of the stupidest comments I've ever read.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I believe he is referring to this.
Veiling Colonial Violence: The Last of Us Part II, Israel and the Erasure of Power
Note: This article contains spoilers for The Last of Us and The Last of Us Part II. It is written for those familiar and unfamiliar with the story. Also, I had written this article before finding...
www.tarekyounis.org
Imru’ al-Qays
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I'm sorry, we can talk about how Veilguard's trans director obviously influenced that game's story but not about how TLoU2's Israeli director obviously influenced that game's story? TLoU2's story is a (hamfisted) allegory for cycles of revenge in Israel-Palestine.
You're an idiot.
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
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The formulation for Ellie's turn toward darkness can be traced back to the year 2000. Then in his early 20s, Druckmann witnessed news footage of a crowd lynching two Israeli soldiers in the West Bank. "And then they cheered afterward," Druckmann, who grew up in Israel, recalls. "It was the cheering that was really chilling to me. … In my mind, I thought, 'Oh, man, if I could just push a button and kill all these people that committed this horrible act, I would make them feel the same pain that they inflicted on these people.'"I believe he is referring to this.
Veiling Colonial Violence: The Last of Us Part II, Israel and the Erasure of Power
Note: This article contains spoilers for The Last of Us and The Last of Us Part II. It is written for those familiar and unfamiliar with the story. Also, I had written this article before finding...www.tarekyounis.org
Yikes...
DeepEnigma
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There is more nuance than that. Hence why the game is an allegory to those emotions he witnessed first hand, and how at the end, all that rage and vengeance leaves you with nothing. You end up losing everything, part of you and everyone you loved.
Angry_Megalodon
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I don't know what's worse: Druckmann's words or the interpretations of them.
DaciaJC
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Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I diffidently agree with "who the fuck starts conversation like that"
And am I suppose like this person why?
FunkMiller
Banned
Well, when you consider how many of the 'women' involved in the creation of these games like pussy, you understand why this phenomenon exists.
FunkMiller
Banned
Ooh... are you sure you don't want to say something other than 'Israeli' there?
I just bet you fucking do.
Imru’ al-Qays
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No? I'm sure plenty of game directors are Jewish, what's unique about Druckmann is that he's Israeli. He directed TLoU2 as an allegory for the Israel-Palestine conflict, not as an allegory for Jewish religion or peoplehood (a good example of that would be the Quarians in Mass Effect).
raduque
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I generally agree with you.
However, I have a big chip on my shoulder for the people destroying my hobby and I can't really say what I want to say without being banned.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
nothing to fight. The characterization is trash. Abby, Joel, Ellie; all these characters are betrayed/wasted by the writing team in order to present a flawed premise.
FunkMiller
Banned
I've not seen anywhere that Druckmann sees the story as an allegory for the middle east... but apologies for getting the wrong end of the stick when you talked about his nationality.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
That is not necessarily worth talking about; what matters is the execution of any particular narrative idea. DA fails because it comes across as the director speaking directly to the player in an immersion-breaking way. TLoU2 is messy, convoluted, where the characters are used in a inauthentic way just to "make a point".
But beyond that, its the market, fan rejection and divisiveness and the conversation around it. To this day, the hate towards TLoU2 is still very much a thing.
What I would find more fascinating is to see if these two directors would be able to interiorize why/where they fucked up. I don't give a shit about DA's director because it's clear this person doesn't have the talent. Neil/TLoU2 is a very different situation. Talking about the DEI/"woke" aspect (which is the relevant one) TLoU2 used a trans character as a marketing beat. why?....
if some fans are deeply invested in these characters and stories...I would assume that the directors are too. After these many flops, underwhelming "woke" games and media in general. Are we going to see a shift in priorities from these companies or are they going to double down in this agenda?.
the only pragmatic aspect of DA is that it is going to lose money for EA and I can bet that TLoU2 not only underperformed, but the discourse and even some reviews were problematic for Sony in general (sony reached to some reviewer that had criticisms of the game)
at the end of the day, it is clear that a big chunk of gamers are not enjoying all this bullshit and it doesn't help that the quality of such products is subpar. sony experienced complete market rejection with concord. We all know what just happened..things are very different now.
violence
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Thank you for posting the last part of the diary.We've come a long way :')
gow3isben
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Take Last of Us 2 out the damn list lol
Boss Mog
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I have a feeling this nonsense will be a lot less prevalent during the next 4 years. He's not playing around with people who push the T ideology onto kids, he already put out a video detailing what will happen on day 1. I don't want to say anything more cause no politics and all, but I definitely think companies will put the brakes on this a bit.
DeepEnigma
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I posted the articles above. He links Ellie's turn to darkness from what he witnessed first hand growing up in Israel.
Boss Mog
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I just read that the blue-hair that wrote all this drivel wished more than half the country dead after Tuesday's result. Obviously not surprising, but the sad part is that he's apparently writing the new Mass Effect. Terrible news, especially on N7 day.
Now you know, so don't get hyped and fooled by the trailers that might look cool, they will obviously show none of this because they try to hide it as much as possible as to not kill their sales.
Now you know, so don't get hyped and fooled by the trailers that might look cool, they will obviously show none of this because they try to hide it as much as possible as to not kill their sales.
DeepEnigma
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Kacho
Member
I saw a video on YouTube covering the response from multiple Veilguard people about the election results. To call them unhinged would be an understatement.
Worth keeping in mind that if these people had their way, the average gamer would have no influence on the industry. Either fall in line or get the fuck out is what they want. This is why it's so important to vote with your wallet.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Has that been confirmed? Surely there's no way EA would make the same mistake again, obviously Bioware are completely infiltrated by these cunts but you'd think the suits at EA would reel that shit in more so now that America has overwhelmingly voted the orange monkey back into our lives, so in that respect the tide should be turning regarding woke identity politics
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Holy fuck who cares. How does this affect your lives this much? This is literally some random optional side content. I genuinely will never understand the obsession some people have with other people's bodies.
Yeah, unpopular GAF opinion. But if something as benign as this somehow ruined your day, my suggestion is that you're the one who needs help.
Who. Cares.
Yeah, unpopular GAF opinion. But if something as benign as this somehow ruined your day, my suggestion is that you're the one who needs help.
Who. Cares.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nobody's day is ruined.
People don't want propaganda mental illness trash in their games.
Simple, really.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
I just miss the days where I could log onto GAF and talk about video games, without thinly-veiled political discussion taking over so many conversations. It's fucking exhausting.
diffusionx
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By all indications, there are plenty of poeple on staff including the writing team which are part of this "trans movement", the gamesurely had sensitivty readers and diversity consultants (if not sweet baby), the fact is... Taash is the character they want in the game. In fact for many of them this character was an avatar of sorts who they spoke through. So, take from that what you will.
Kacho
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A LOT of people do because it has a direct impact on their enjoyment of games.
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