Bayonetta 2 - WiiU (Director: Yusuke Hashimoto, Pub: Nintendo, Supervision:Kamiya)
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So what would make you buy a console then, if not the games on it? I'm not sure I understand. You want to make an "informed decision" on what console you buy. What do you base this decision on, if not the games you want to play on the system?
These are honest questions that are not intended to be rhetorical or sarcastic. I'm genuinely interested in your answer.
Exclusives, by and large, are the principal method by which you decide which console to buy. This is going to be true now and forever. I can understand that you don't like this, but it's been the reality for a long while now.
Again, devil's advocate.
And imagine how many extra games I could buy on my Xbox Next or PS4 with that "wasted" 300 dollar.
It practically doesn't exist. It's almost like an unlocalized Japan-only cellphone sequel. Better than nothing, I guess, but not a reason to be happy because I'll never play it.
My funds/space in my living room is limited, and I would rather not spend an extra 300 dollar/euro/lucky charms on a console that I expect to only use rarely. Sure I could sell it afterwards, but that's an extra annoyance and hassle. I do indeed prefer the status quo, as it is far more convenient for me as a consumer. I can focus on my one preferred console. I appreciate it when products are differentiated from each other; Nintendo caters to their fans, Microsoft/Sony caters to people like me. In the same way that I dislike it when Microsoft/Sony is spending money in Kinect/PSMove instead of more games that I would like, in that same manner I dislike it when Nintendo buys up exclusives that I could have otherwise played on a console already in my possession. It is like having to shop at three different stores to get my groceries, while I used to only have to visit one store.
And imagine how many extra games I could buy on my Xbox Next or PS4 with that "wasted" 300 dollar.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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*shrugs*
You would never have gotten this.
And as I said before: Anyone pissed off about this should be voicing their frustration with Sony and MS for not helping Platinum make this game happen, not be pissed off and/or frustrated with Nintendo for saving it. MS, especially, could have easily made this game if they had chosen to do so.
Personal attacks are bad eh?
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Kacho
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It's one of the greatest mysteries that I'll never understand. Often times when reviews or internet people complain about camera issues, I'm left scratching my head in bewilderment.
Come on, dude. Dennis is good people.
ShockingAlberto
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You know what I do when a system I did not intend to buy gets software I would like to buy?
I buy that system to play the software I would like.
I buy that system to play the software I would like.
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Issue is we know barely anything about either consoles. So making judgements based on that seems short sighted. I'm not saying buy a wii u now (I think thats a bad idea too) but would it be best to go in with an open mind and what each has got compare it and then make an informed decision rather than, saying I don't like the wii u never going to buy it the other consoles must be better despite not knowing anything about either of them. They not accept used games, increased online monly fee, cost $500. We just don't know.
So keeping an open mind seems more logical.
Relaxed Muscle
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People expected RE5 on Wii because they got RE4. Is the same here, people expected Bayo 2 on PS360 because the got Bayo on PS360.
If more bitching didn't happened from nintendo fans is beacuse for years they have been ignored in tems of multiplatform releases. The didn't get AC so how the can bitch about no having AC 3 on Wii?
Because chances that Wii U ends like Wii in terms of multiplatform support, are pretty high.
Is totally viable for Nintendo to get a dead game and making his console more attractive to the core gamer. And I'm pretty happy that people will be able to enjoy the game. But if you want to enjoy most multiplatform and biggest AAA titles PS4 or 720 is a more reasonable option than Wii U. At least right now.
Stop making so much sense with your buying of the things you want
How many were third party and how many were first party exclusives?
Just to be clear, that's absolutely fine and I appreciate reasonable discussion.
Keep in mind the question is not whether you are happy, but why are you upset. Let's just decide that the existence of this game has no effect on you whatsoever -- it doesn't make you happy at all, not even a small amount which is practically irrelevant.
This still does not explain why it would make you upset, which, if you look back, is clearly where this line of questioning originated.
Assuming you happen to personally like the status quo (which presumably you do).
Isn't this an argument for exclusives? I know that wasn't part of your initial entry in to this discussion, but it was the basis for my original response to the poster.
I just want to make it clear that you are literally endorsing a market with no competition or overlap, where every player has separate domains that do not intersect at all. Nintendo has their market, Sony and Microsoft have theirs, and never the twain shall meet.
I hope you can imagine the repercussions of this. It is not, as you said, without upside, but I could very effectively argue that the downsides hugely outweigh them. Further, you are also implicitly admitting that there is nothing Nintendo can do which could make you happy. If they remain in their "Nintendo market," as we might call it, then obviously you'll just ignore them because they do not cater to you. If they encroach on your market, you become angry that they are competing for your attention. That is the logical conclusion of your argument here: nothing Nintendo can do can make you happy, personally.
I'm one of the people who bought a PS3 for its blu-ray playback, and ended up buying like 60 games for the PS3.
Go figure!
The way things are going, people should just start picturing the Wii U as the Platinum Box. If they love Platinum Games, they should take that into consideration. Nintendo would be idiotic not to continue pursuing meaningful collaboration with PG at this point.
Eteric Rice
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I just saw the Go Nintendo post about the hate messages on the platinum games boards. God damn, I can understand being pissed about it. But threatening to kill yourself, kill them, or burn their company down? What the actual fuck, man?
And I love the "want it on a real console!" thing they keep spouting.
I really hate the people in this hobby sometimes.
And I love the "want it on a real console!" thing they keep spouting.
I really hate the people in this hobby sometimes.
PorygonVandal
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Was there a Meltdown when Anarchy Reigns was announced for 360/PS3 instead of Wii?
Relaxed Muscle
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Yeah, I'll spend 300 on a console to play 3 or 4 games and then let it collect dust.
I bought it for Uncharted, and wound up playing like 5 games total for it.
So I guess it does go both ways (although, not because the library isn't good, just because I'd rather play everything with a 360 controller).
Bjoern the Smexy
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But it IS the same thing!
It's EXACTLY the same thing!
The one and only exception is that you are buying a Nintendo brand console instead of a Sony/Microsoft brand console.
Same here, I bought the PS3 for MGS4 and God of War 3, nothing else.
Then came Uncharted 1 and 2 (still want to buy 3) and several other games I currently can't think of.
My PS3 game collection is my second smallest.
I also bought a PS1 just because of FF8. Then I bought FF7 and 9 and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater.
My PS1 game collection is my smallest one.
Buying a console for one game alone actually is a good thing when I think about it.
You WILL buy more than one game for it anyway.
Once you have a Wii U you'll notice that the multiplatform titles on it will most likely be the better ones compared to the PS360 counterparts. So you will probably buy the Wii U version because it's the one with the highest quality.
When you think about it, in this day and age you will NEVER buy a console for just one game alone.
Others WILL follow. You just don't know it yet.
Even then I don't think it is bad taste. Nintendo should be agressive in terms of supporting their platforms, it is infact their job. Regardless that is not what happened here, they saved this game apparently.
InsaneZero
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Anybody who had knowledge about the development of this game would've told you with 100% certainty that this game was dead and buried prior to yesterday.
But more importantly, Sega's own financials show that they cut off all of their retail releases except for a select few. Bayonetta was not one of the lucky ones.
ll_l_x_l_ll
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if that's was the case. if the case was to choose between not having the game AT ALL or have it on Nintendo U, then yeah the game deserve a second chance. BUT. you want to tell me that MS or Sony didn't want to fund a game like this and keep it exclusive ?
That's is hard to believe. SPECIALLY Sony :/
I dunno and not sure what it has to do with anything not going to look at my library for this... I didn't know those games were going to be out when I got the PS3. I bought the thing ONLY for MGS4. Blu ray playback was the main use after I beat MGS4. Then I started looking for games and bought them...
There are people here saying they won't buy a Wii U at all for one game. I'm just saying I was one of those guys that bought a system for one game and ended up being pretty happy with the number of games that came out for it.
Why is it hard to believe? It didn't sell that well on either of their platforms. It did okay, but not really to justify its budget.
Trickster
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Now this is an oppinion, and totally valid. Sounds like it wasn't a game for you, simple as that.
If you'd like to believe there was a mad bidding war going on for what was by all accounts we've heard a cancelled game dropped by its competitors, be my guest. It is certainly possible, but it doesn't strike me, logically, as the most likely scenario.
Nintendo should just buy Platinum Games and FROM Software. The internet would throttle itself to death.
Isn't it obvious that Nintendo outbid MS and Sony for this sparkling gem of a market power? It's not at all likely that Sony and MS simply didn't give a shit about the game and weren't willing to help, while Nintendo was. No. That's illogical.
Isn't it obvious that Nintendo outbid MS and Sony for this sparkling gem of a market power? It's not at all likely that Sony and MS simply didn't give a shit about the game and weren't willing to help, while Nintendo was. No. That's illogical.
What?
What about the stuff powering the hardware? Performance? Different infrastructures?
Bayonetta 2 on 720/PS4 would be a lot different than the Wii-U version, they would have to be without the tablet.
XiaNaphryz
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Given the sales numbers that were cited earlier, particularly the NA ones, no it's not hard to believe. Those developers have other games to offer for Bayo's demographic. Nintendo, on the other hand, really doesn't.
and surely you realize your anecdote doesnt apply to everyone? I bought a gamecube for PSO Episode 2 and though I tried I didnt enjoy much of anything else on the system
Kacho
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Sony seems more interested in Western developers and games at the moment to be honest.
Yeah, I'm right there with you. I didn't want a Wii U at first, but then there were reasons for me to want one, so then I wanted one. It was quite the rollercoaster ride of emotions. But I'm something of a roving vagabond with my platform choices, I go wherever the games I want are, manufacturer loyalty never seems to pay off in the end.
Twenty7KVN
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Or you basing this on the software so far,or are you assuming it's not going to have the games you want?
i wouldn't even be mad.
as long as it'd guarantee that developers i love get to make games i love, then i'd fully support it.
Hellsing321
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I don't think the internet could handle that much pure unbridled rage. Make it happen Nintendo!
Sony, unlike Nintendo is hemorrhaging money like crazy. Why would Sony want to fund a niche game when they can hardly manage themselves?
It is like a forbidden fruit that I cannot eat, yet it is dangling right in front of me and its scent is making me hungry. Yes, I am glad that a sequel to a game that I liked is being made, but the annoyance of not being able to play it (or that it would be very inconvenient and possibly expensive) outweighs this and causes me frustration and anger.
Either all games are multiplatform, in which case I can buy one console and pick and choose what software I want, or the exclusives are nicely fit per console. Say Nintendo has their franchises, Microsoft's Xbox has all Western-developed blockbusters and shooters, and Sony's PlayStation has a lot of Japanese action games and RPGs. Hypothetically, I would then prefer to buy a PlayStation as it would cater to my tastes the closest. The point is that I like convenience and predictability. I do not mind a game from console A (that I own) also getting a port on console B (that I do not own), as long as I can get everything I want on the console that I own. Exclusive or multiplatform, I do not care, as long as I can get my one-stop-shop.
As an individual consumer pursuing a mostly adolescent hobby, I am far more concerned about getting the games I want to play on a short-term basis, than any potential mid-term or long-term repercussions.
Even if Bayonetta 2 ends up the only game I own and play on the Wii U (doubtful but not impossible), I'll be perfectly happy.
Karsticles
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Earning that tag every day, ShockingAlberto.
Then again, I buy every system I buy for a single game on it, and then I just happen to buy other software that also looks fun as it comes out. I bought the Xbox 360 for Bayonetta, I bought the PS3 for Marvel vs. Capcom 3, my 3DS for Kid Icarus, my DS for the massive GBA library, and I bought my Wii for Smash Bros Brawl. I wanted to buy a Vita for the massive PSP library, but then I found out it wasn't BC. :-(
Let me help you with this part: Within an industry showcasing real competition, this will never, ever happen. I mean, it's more conceivable if one of the three were to drop out, but certainly not while there are two companies playing a very similar game (Sony and MS).
I don't think there was ever an occurence where a console manufacturer moneyhatted a developer, cancelled a multiplatform game and make it exclusive on their own. It's not a good business decision for both parties. The likeliest scenario is yes, Bayonetta 2 was once cancelled.
Relaxed Muscle
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I'm assuming it. Of course it could change in the next year. But right now is, which console have the most appealing software to me? that's the console I'll buy.
Because if ppl were to buy every piece of hardware that has, even just 1 software the want is on it, ppl would buy every fucking console/iPhone/Android with different region consoles and all. And that's not an option or reasonable for the most ppl.
This is, of course, irrational. People believe lots of irrational things (and you're playing devil's advocate anyway), I'm just saying that it doesn't make for a very reasonable argument.
Well, nothing is more convenient than and simple than a market with clear, delineated monopolies, which is again largely what you are advocating.
Yes, this is totally reasonable.
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