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[Spooks]

Did he say "LeBron is the right guy for the shot" and then smile like the Ray Allen gif????

 

[numble]

Everyone just goes iso for the last second shot nowadays. The other players are redundant, unless they are spotting up for 3, or bigs that become free due to a shot contest in the paint.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Everyone just goes iso for the last second shot nowadays. The other players are redundant, unless they are spotting up for 3, or bigs that become free due to a shot contest in the paint.

This is true.

 

[Gigglepoo]

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4618/leiso.jpg

Bah, don't you know that LeBron changed his number? There's already one great player who wore #23, so LeBron wanted something unique. I mean, who else wears 6? A bunch of scrubs, that's who.

 

[KingGondo]

Russell Dumbrook/Fraudbrook/Lolbrook/

Spoiler

Bestbrook

named Western Conference Player of the Week.

 

[Spooks]

Bah, don't you know that LeBron changed his number? There's already one great player who wore #23, so LeBron wanted something unique. I mean, who else wears 6? A bunch of scrubs, that's who.

Have they retired that number around the league yet?

 

[numble]

That is why it works for Boston--Pierce will either iso or Rondo will drive, and then Ray is free or KG is free, Pierce is also still a better than average 3 point shooter. Kobe depends on either the iso or the bigs bailing him out and sometimes the guys shooting 3s, who are not as great as Ray, but not as bad as the Heat shooters.

The Heat big 3 are just iso/drive specialists, so they make each other redundant in crunchtime.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Bah, don't you know that LeBron changed his number? There's already one great player who wore #23, so LeBron wanted something unique. I mean, who else wears 6? A bunch of scrubs, that's who.

Quite appropriate.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

That is why it works for Boston--Pierce will either iso or Rondo will drive, and then Ray is free or KG is free, Pierce is also still a better than average 3 point shooter. Kobe depends on either the iso or the bigs bailing him out and sometimes the guys shooting 3s, who are not as great as Ray, but not as bad as the Heat shooters.

The Heat big 3 are just iso/drive specialists, so they make each other redundant in crunchtime.

The Heat would be great clutch shooters if they were good shooters and/or mentally tough.

That's why I never worried about this team.

Now if the three were all outside shooters, I would be quite worried.

When Pierce shoots, I always thing it's going in. When Garnett shoots, I always think it is going in. When Allen shoots, I always think it is going in.

I don't think that of the Heat trio. In fact, I used to only think that about Bosh of all people on that team.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Cheer up, little buddy. It's not your fault you can't hang with me.

Damn son, even Wizman23 comes up with new memes. You just keep plodding out the same old hackneyed shit.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Colin Cowherd's take was pretty funny. To paraphrase:

"MJ fooled everyone into believing the best player should take the last shot. Lebron is the best player but he's a shitty shooter. He's Karl Malone with better handles."

 

[linsivvi]

Have they retired that number around the league yet?

Doesn't matter, the Heat retired that number anyway. *snicker*

 

[giri]

That is why it works for Boston--Pierce will either iso or Rondo will drive, and then Ray is free or KG is free, Pierce is also still a better than average 3 point shooter. Kobe depends on either the iso or the bigs bailing him out and sometimes the guys shooting 3s, who are not as great as Ray, but not as bad as the Heat shooters.

The Heat big 3 are just iso/drive specialists, so they make each other redundant in crunchtime.

"Everyone iso's, take boston for example, when they iso, and then when they usually don't"

 

[SamuraiX-]

SpearsNBAYahoo
Suns say big man Channing Frye's MRI revealed a dislocated right shoulder. He is expected to miss 2-to-3 weeks pending ongoing evaluation.

Bad break for the Suns.

They really need him in these last few weeks.

 

[giri]

Bad break for the Suns.

They really need him in these last few weeks.

Thank god, now maybe we'll come up with a line up that isn't "channing frye for 43mpg".

 

[Rodeo Clown]

Thank god, now maybe we'll come up with a line up that isn't "channing frye for 43mpg".

Vince Carter playing 43 minutes per.

 

[reilo]

A reporter later asked whether the technical-foul system is fair, but Van Gundy expressed concern that any statement of opinion could net him a fine from league officials.

"I can't answer that," Van Gundy responded. "And I certainly can't have an opinion because David Stern, like a lot of leaders we've seen in this world lately, don't really tolerate other people's opinions or free speech or anything. So I'm not really allowed to have an opinion, so it's up to him. He decides. And he likes the system that he has."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...y-dwight-howard-0308-20110307,0,3954942.story

 

[ph33nix]

I think we need to have more plays like last night when we cleared out one side for just Wade and Bron on the wing. you can lol that it's basically an isolation play but hey if they're gonna do an iso, that freed up more room. And yeah I have seen LeBron post up but I wish he would do it more...I remember when Shaq was here and he was taking double teams in the low post and with Wade and UD cutting nobody was stopping that shit, or we would swing it around for an easy shot. Or when we had 25 pick and rolls near the baseline, that was hard to stop too. We could probably do the same with a guy like LeBron.

It seems like when we play well in the first half we are getting guys in prime position to score and that's why we've been doing well early. As in guys are getting to their spots and demanding it. Then second half rolls around and it becomes setting pointless picks, swinging the ball around the perimeter if a pick and pop/roll isn't immediately there, repeatedly, and that's when we've suck ass.

I still feel like the 2004-2005 was probably my favorite Heat team even though we didn't get to the finals. Our offense was more consistent and fluid.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Thank god, now maybe we'll come up with a line up that isn't "channing frye for 43mpg".

Channing had been playing really good lately. Had a career night in rebounds last night before dislocating his shoulder with no foul call.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

the technical foul system is fine. Yeah the refs are getting ticky tacky, but in the case of Howard of even Kobe, a majority of their techs come from the fact that they can't control their tempers.

 

[numble]

"Everyone iso's, take boston for example, when they iso, and then when they usually don't"

If you clear out for a drive starting at the top of the 3 point line, or clear out for a mid range shot, I regard them as isos.

 

[giri]

Vince Carter playing 43 minutes per.

I think dudley gets more mpg than vince these days.

Which i whole heartedly endorse.

 

[ph33nix]

Lmao Marc Stein put the Heat at 9 and the Grizzlies at 8. Now this is trolling

 

[giga]

http://www.slcdunk.com/2011/3/7/2034397/jerry-sloan-a-mans-man

Someone shoots an elk on a mountain hunting trip that Karl Malone had helped them arrange and Jerry and Tony walk up to it. "In a split second, this bull elk jumps up and comes at me full bore at about 10 yards. I'm a sitting duck. Your dad, without a blink, steps in front of me, pulls up [his old rifle that he got for $80 at a garage sale], puts a bullet in this elk's chest, and it falls at my feet. I have no chance to even react. I turn and look at your dad and he looks at me and he goes, ‘That's as good as a fast break.'"

Sloan has got quite a pair of hands.

 

[reilo]

Lmao Marc Stein put the Heat at 9 and the Grizzlies at 8. Now this is trolling

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201011200MEM.html

 

[giri]

Channing had been playing really good lately. Had a career night in rebounds last night before dislocating his shoulder with no foul call.

Channing is fine, but gentry uses him too much. If the suns weren't willing to trade robin he has to be getting more PT. And fact is, channing isn't as good a defender as lopez. I haven't watched the game last night, but i'm going to guess it was channing guarding ibaka when he went off for 6 from 7 from the field.

If you clear out for a drive starting at the top of the 3 point line, or clear out for a mid range shot, I regard them as isos.

Thats fine, but the second play you described, isn't an iso. Penetration and movement with the ball in hand (particularly that of your PG) is still part of an offence in motion. Particularly when the players your kicking out to move to those spots after you start your drive (i.e., you're kicking out to pre-designed spots, where they're getting free to catch & shoot).

Unless you want to call that iso also.

 

[numble]

Thats fine, but the second play you described, isn't an iso. Penetration and movement with the ball in hand (particularly that of your PG) is still part of an offence in motion. Particularly when the players your kicking out to move to those spots after you start your drive (i.e., you're kicking out to pre-designed spots, where they're getting free to catch & shoot).

Unless you want to call that iso also.

When they kick out to House, Jones, or Miller, it's still coming from what started as an iso play after defenders collapse on the iso player. When Ray is coming off two screens to get free for a 3, it's a set play and usually involves more ball movement, not coming off a drive into the paint (sometime Rondo even just stands there and waits for Ray to go through the screens). The 3s that come off a drive are because players collapse into the key for help defense.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I'ts the funny, I'm starting to think that the best team for Lebron would have been the pre-Melo Knicks not Chicago. Lebron Would have been surrounded by shooters, and an inside presence on offence. We would have the ball all to himself and all the media hype he could ever want.

 

[marathonfool]

Colin Cowherd's take was pretty funny. To paraphrase:

"MJ fooled everyone into believing the best player should take the last shot. Lebron is the best player but he's a shitty shooter. He's Karl Malone with better handles."

Pretty sure Karl Malone had a better jumper. Wade's mid-range game is really good. They should go to him with the ball instead of being the guy who crashes the boards then takes a wild jumper to beat the clock.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

the technical foul system is fine. Yeah the refs are getting ticky tacky, but in the case of Howard of even Kobe, a majority of their techs come from the fact that they can't control their tempers.

I don't think SVG is saying he's irked that you can be fined for criticizing an official during a game (though he probably is), or even for criticizing officiating after a game (again, he probably is), but that you can be fined simply for stating any dissent with the new rule implementation. The process isn't even close to democratic, I imagine that most coaches and players hate it, and most fans don't enjoy watching their favorite players ejected, but Stern is just telling everyone "deal with it" as he has with all handling of the NBA's officiating problems this decade.

The system will never get better because Stern has squashed all discourse, removing the need for improvement.

 

[diehard]

Wait now Malone is a shitty shooter? lol cowherd

 

[DCX]

It begins.

Hopefully not the official logo (it's god awful) but confirms the upcoming color swap.

Knicks logo has changed colors too..

DCX

 

[giri]

When they kick out to House, Jones, or Miller, it's still coming from what started as an iso play after defenders collapse on the iso player. When Ray is coming off two screens to get free for a 3, it's a set play and usually involves more ball movement, not coming off a drive into the paint (sometime Rondo even just stands there and waits for Ray to go through the screens). The 3s that come off a drive are because players collapse into the key for help defense.

Boston regularly run penetration plays where it's designed for rondo to get into the paint, And while he's doing that, Ray, PP or KG (or 2 of them, are moving off of screens for an open shot.

Look, all i'm saying is, using boston as your comparitor for an offence with miami, isn't right. They use a heck of a lot of off ball movement. And penetration isn't the only sign of an iso play. A static Offense with a complete clear out, is what you're talking about.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Wait now Malone is a shitty shooter? lol cowherd

Cowherd is always wrong. It's shocking how little he gets called on it too.

 

[DominoKid]

I like how deliberate LeClown's move was, he didn't do any change of direction or anything.

Rose would have done at least one crossover, then double clutched near the rim, sailed under the basket and scored cleanly while being bodied by 3 different players for the not "and 1".

LeBullRush

its so funny to watch fail

 

[Grimm Fandango]

Marc Stein be trolling us.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

lol Miami Weep.

 

[numble]

Boston regularly run penetration plays where it's designed for rondo to get into the paint, And while he's doing that, Ray, PP or KG (or 2 of them, are moving off of screens for an open shot.

Look, all i'm saying is, using boston as your comparitor for an offence with miami, isn't right. They use a heck of a lot of off ball movement. And penetration isn't the only sign of an iso play. A static Offense with a complete clear out, is what you're talking about.

I'm not comparing offenses, I'm comparing the last second shot. And it's almost always iso throughout the league.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Cowherd is always wrong. It's shocking how little he gets called on it too.

I can't listen to the guy because he's wrong so often.

 

[SamuraiX-]

Love Heard Recruiting Pitches During All-Star Weekend

Kevin Love, who will be a restricted free agent in 2012, says he heard some recruiting pitches from players during All-Star Weekend.

Love could forgo free agency if he signs a contract extension with Minnesota.

"A lot of it was (about) OKC," said Love, referring to West teammates Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook.

"A lot of it was a few other teams that just need that one more guy. And a lot of it was circulating around the Lakers, 'cause we were out there as well. There was a lot of pressure and a lot of questions were circulating, and I almost felt like, 'Damn, I have to take a step back and, not assess the situation, but kind of look at things from a broad horizon.'

"As far as right now, I love the city of Minneapolis. I like Minnesota as a state. I love the people here. Our team is very young. We have a lot of stuff going for us when you look past the win column. I think I just have to look at that come contract time."

LeBron & Melo have ruined the league.

etc. etc.

 

[giri]

Marc Stein be trolling us.

In steins defense, you could rotate that top 5 any way you want, and still have people bitching, and they'd all have legit claims.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Love Heard Recruiting Pitches During All-Star Weekend

LeBron & Melo have ruined the league.

etc. etc.

He's so gone. I hope he doesn't go to OKC. They're already on my list of teams I can't watch anymore, so I'd rather not see him go there. Also, it would make them ridiculously good.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Love Heard Recruiting Pitches During All-Star Weekend



LeBron & Melo have ruined the league.

etc. etc.

Why blame the players for wanting to get out of horrific situations instead of the owners and GMs for sucking balls? I have no doubt that Kevin Love would stay in Minny if they actually had a GM who knew what he was doing and put good talent around him.

 

[thekad]

Durant, Love, Perkins frontline is ridiculous.

Bitter tears

You're so salty :lol

 

[KingGondo]

Love Heard Recruiting Pitches During All-Star Weekend

LeBron & Melo have ruined the league.

etc. etc.

In a perfect world:

Westbrook
Sefolosha
Durant
Love
Perkins

Maynor
Harden
Cook
Ibaka
Mohammed
Aldrich

Pretty pretty pretty good.

I'm sure Kevin Love would come to OKC if he could (he and Westbrook are really tight, plus he would fit in really well), but there's no way we'll be able to afford him... and we probably won't need him anyway. I agree that there's no way he stays in Minny, though.

And I think I would trade Ibaka for Love... but it would be hard to do. Ibaka is probably my favorite player on the roster.

 

[thekad]

I'm sure Kevin Love would come to OKC if he could (he and Westbrook are really tight, plus he would fit in really well), but there's no way we'll be able to afford him...

That's what happens when you give players like Westbrook the max.

 

[KingGondo]

That's what happens when you give players like Westbrook the max.

1) We haven't given him shit yet.

2) We have no idea what the new "max" will be, or if there will be a hard or soft cap.

3) Presti will use Jedi mind tricks to convince him to take enough of a paycut to afford Love. Believe.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Love is going to Boston, Blake is going to the Lakers and the rivalry will be renewed for 2014 and beyond!

 

[reilo]

Did he really just say "we won't need him anyway"??

................

 

[KingGondo]

Love is going to Boston, Blake is going to the Lakers and the rivalry will be renewed for 2014 and beyond!

I could actually see this.

Did he really just say "we won't need him anyway"??

................

By the time Love is available, it's entirely possible we'll be title contenders with Ibaka as our starting PF. But as I said, I would trade Serge for K-Love 10 times out of 10.