The Stealth Fox said:Can't have a scoring PG as your dominant first option if you wanna win it all. Just ask Allen Iverson.
When they decided to walk away from Gordon, they thought they could use that money to at least get Bosh. When the dust settled, they needed a low post presence, and all that was left was Boozer and Lee. They had to pick someone.Red Blaster said:Boozer is a barely MLE player in terms of actual impact. Gordon would be invaluable to the Bulls.
The Stealth Fox said:Can't have a scoring PG as your dominant first option if you wanna win it all. Just ask Allen Iverson.
Ninja Scooter said:Rose is from that AI/Francis/Marbury mold, but the key differences are 1) his speed, which only Iverson could match, but Iverson was nowhere near as strong 2) the rule changes that make it easier for wing players to attack and 3) he doesn't appear to be quite as stupid as those guys.
Dude, you are reliving the Ben Gordon experience right now. Only difference is a better supporting cast and you arent playing the Celtics.AShep said:I have zero interest in reliving the Ben Gordon experience.
Boozer's a turnstile on defence but his offense makes up for it and once he and Noah get more comfortable with each other they'll compliment each other pretty well.
Wait, did you just imply that Tony Parker is a dominant first option? lolAShep said:Can I ask Tony Parker instead?
AShep said:Can I ask Tony Parker instead?
AShep said:Can I ask Tony Parker instead?
punkypine said:iverson took lineup that featured george lynch, tyrone hill, and eric snow in the starting lineup to the finals. sure, iverson could be streaky as hell, but when he was on, he was more of a beast than rose has ever been. his career got derailed real fast, but i think people forget how insane some of his games were. 52 points with only 2 free throws in a pivotal game 5? yes please
SoulPlaya said:When they decided to walk away from Gordon, they thought they could use that money to at least get Bosh. When the dust settled, they needed a low post presence, and all that was left was Boozer and Lee. They had to pick someone.
The Stealth Fox said:Should have gotten a real free agent
TheGreatMightyPoo said:The argument of convenience will now turn to Manu being the MVP of the league those years and Tim Duncan being the best center of all time(no disrespect to either).
Beaten by the inevitable.
J2 Cool said:I also don't want to relive the Ben Gordon experience. When he's hot you love it, but when he's not, my god. The Bulls could have gotten Morrow if they wanted an offensive SG, they went for a Brewer/Bogans defensive duo. Everyone has said they could use a perimeter scorer besides Rose at this point, but I don't think it's Ben Gordon.
Ninja Scooter said:People also forget how shitty the East was that year and how the Sixers still needed the refs to job the Bucks in the ECF. AI getting to the Finals was a fucking fluke that year.
The Stealth Fox said:If you ACTUALLY think TP is the Spurs go-to option on offense... :lol
The Spurs got their record by playing team ball exclusively. No one holds the ball for too long in their system, and when someone does, they get yelled at by Pop.
dIEHARD said:Wait, did you just imply that Tony Parker is a dominant first option? lol
i know how shitty it was, and i'm not saying they were a particularly good team. i'm just saying that if deng and boozer both disappeared, rose wouldnt be able to do what iverson did.Ninja Scooter said:People also forget how shitty the East was that year and how the Sixers still needed the refs to job the Bucks in the ECF. AI getting to the Finals was a fucking fluke that year.
Most people on this forum probably only really saw him play during that Celtics series. Bulls fan know better, though.TheGreatMightyPoo said:He started 27 games out of 82 with the old-as-fuck Pistons this year.
I saw him play(not often) and he was missing shots.
All of a sudden, he's one of the better plays in the league again, hahahahahaha.
TheGreatMightyPoo said:He started 27 games out of 82 with the old-as-fuck Pistons this year.
I saw him play(not often) and he was missing shots.
All of a sudden, he's one of the better plays in the league again, hahahahahaha.
punkypine said:i know how shitty it was, and i'm not saying they were a particularly good team. i'm just saying that if deng and boozer both disappeared, rose wouldnt be able to do what iverson did.
i have no doubt that rose will have a better career than iverson, but iverson was no starbury/steve francis
The Stealth Fox said:That's not how the NBA works. That's like saying Hedo Turkoglu all of a sudden became the worst basketball player ever when he joined the Raptors. Yes, he played like the worst player ever during his Toronto years, but had he stayed with the Magic he would have never had those bad years. The Magic would definitely have had to have overpaid though to keep him.
The Stealth Fox said:Rose shooting 43% as the main option is not what I'd call... efficient.
i agree 100%Ninja Scooter said:He wouldn't be able to do what Iverson did because the Hawks, Heat, Magic and Celtics are all better than any team in the East that year. Iverson was not a guy you could win with as your number 1 option, and also not a guy who could adjust his game to the people around him. Look at that 01 team, it was basically full of scrubs who would defer and stand around while Iverson played And 1 ball. Iverson was a great player, but I put him more in the Gervin/Nique class than the elite level.
i think you need to look up the word efficient... what you are looking for is clutchTheGreatMightyPoo said:I'd say taking over games is rather efficient.
But yeah, hold onto the stats and I'll hold onto the win count.
TheGreatMightyPoo said:I never said that but you clearly underrate him.
Bulls played the Spurs this year and in the second game, no one did shit against the Bulls except for crafty and skilled-as-fuck Parker.
The Stealth Fox said:Rose shooting 43% as the main option is not what I'd call... efficient.
The Stealth Fox said:if you didn't say that then why did you even bother posting?
I said you can't win with a scoring PG as your dominant first option. Someone brought up Tony Parker, and you agreed with him. I said that the example doesn't fit, because Tony Parker has never been the consistent first option in the Spurs offense.
punkypine said:i think you need to look up the word efficient... what you are looking for is clutch
AShep said:Rose is winning games in the playoffs. I don't understand why people are ripping on him when when guys like Fisher, Nelson and Bibby et al are still running around.
AShep said:Rose is winning games in the playoffs. I don't understand why people are ripping on him when when guys like Fisher, Nelson and Bibby et al are still running around.
ahh you changed it, i want to know who you thought he was a fan of.AShep said:Rose is winning games in the playoffs. I don't understand why people are ripping on him when when guys like Fisher, Nelson and Bibby et al are still running around.
Ninja Scooter said:shooting percentage is some nerdy advanced stat now?
AShep said:Rose is barely winning games in the playoffs against a 37 win team that now has AJ Price running the offense.
Ninja Scooter said:shooting percentage is some nerdy advanced stat now?
The Stealth Fox said:Alright, I agree. The Bulls are going to waltz their way to the ECF because Rose is better than Fisher, Nelson, and Bibby.
The Stealth Fox said:I'm going to dress up as a NBA boxscore for halloween to scare the hell out of people.
punkypine said:i wonder if these bulls fans ever saw how every single player gets abused when they fuck up, rose is nothing special.
Rose has been the Bulls' offense the past two games. You're just a hater, amirite?Red Blaster said:I know man. What a disappointment.
he's nothing special in regards to the abuse he gets on the forum, not in terms of how he plays... you're an idiot.TheGreatMightyPoo said:Weird, tons of NBA players and coaches have said Rose is the Most Valuable Player of the league but then again, internet forum dwellers would know better, they actually WATCH the games, they don't have the burden of being blinded by playing in them!!!!