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[THRILLH0]

I have zero interest in reliving the Ben Gordon experience.

Boozer's a turnstile on defence but his offense makes up for it and once he and Noah get more comfortable with each other they'll compliment each other pretty well.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Can't have a scoring PG as your dominant first option if you wanna win it all. Just ask Allen Iverson.

SEASON OVER, pack it up, Bulls.

See you next year.

 

[SoulPlaya]

Boozer is a barely MLE player in terms of actual impact. Gordon would be invaluable to the Bulls.

When they decided to walk away from Gordon, they thought they could use that money to at least get Bosh. When the dust settled, they needed a low post presence, and all that was left was Boozer and Lee. They had to pick someone.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Rose is from that AI/Francis/Marbury mold, but the key differences are 1) his speed, which only Iverson could match, but Iverson was nowhere near as strong 2) the rule changes that make it easier for wing players to attack and 3) he doesn't appear to be quite as stupid as those guys.

 

[The Stealth Fox]

Should have gotten a real free agent

 

[THRILLH0]

Can't have a scoring PG as your dominant first option if you wanna win it all. Just ask Allen Iverson.

Can I ask Tony Parker instead?

 

[The Stealth Fox]

Rose is from that AI/Francis/Marbury mold, but the key differences are 1) his speed, which only Iverson could match, but Iverson was nowhere near as strong 2) the rule changes that make it easier for wing players to attack and 3) he doesn't appear to be quite as stupid as those guys.

This is pretty much it. Rose is a bigger and smarter version of Iverson, but the problems still remain. He can't be your best player. There needs to be a 1A) and 1B) for that Bulls team, not 1) and everyone else.

 

[diehard]

I have zero interest in reliving the Ben Gordon experience.

Boozer's a turnstile on defence but his offense makes up for it and once he and Noah get more comfortable with each other they'll compliment each other pretty well.

Dude, you are reliving the Ben Gordon experience right now. Only difference is a better supporting cast and you arent playing the Celtics.

Can I ask Tony Parker instead?

Wait, did you just imply that Tony Parker is a dominant first option? lol

 

[The Stealth Fox]

Can I ask Tony Parker instead?

The problem with the Parker comparison was that Tony Parker was never the Spurs best player/most dominant option. The Spurs don't play like that. They have a 1A) and 1B) thing going on with Parker and Ginobili now. Before it was 1) Duncan and then Parker and Ginobili would be 2A) and 2B).

 

[punkypine]

iverson took lineup that featured george lynch, tyrone hill, and eric snow in the starting lineup to the finals. sure, iverson could be streaky as hell, but when he was on, he was more of a beast than rose has ever been. his career got derailed real fast, but i think people forget how insane some of his games were. 52 points with only 2 free throws in a pivotal game 5? yes please

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Can I ask Tony Parker instead?

The argument of convenience will now turn to Manu being the MVP of the league those years and Tim Duncan being the best center of all time(no disrespect to either).

Beaten by the inevitable.

 

[snack]

Bulls/Lakers Final. Make it happen refs!

 

[Ninja Scooter]

iverson took lineup that featured george lynch, tyrone hill, and eric snow in the starting lineup to the finals. sure, iverson could be streaky as hell, but when he was on, he was more of a beast than rose has ever been. his career got derailed real fast, but i think people forget how insane some of his games were. 52 points with only 2 free throws in a pivotal game 5? yes please

People also forget how shitty the East was that year and how the Sixers still needed the refs to job the Bucks in the ECF. AI getting to the Finals was a fucking fluke that year.

 

[J2 Cool]

When they decided to walk away from Gordon, they thought they could use that money to at least get Bosh. When the dust settled, they needed a low post presence, and all that was left was Boozer and Lee. They had to pick someone.

I also don't want to relive the Ben Gordon experience. When he's hot you love it, but when he's not, my god. The Bulls could have gotten Morrow if they wanted an offensive SG, they went for a Brewer/Bogans defensive duo. Everyone has said they could use a perimeter scorer besides Rose at this point, but I don't think it's Ben Gordon.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Should have gotten a real free agent

~looks at rebounding differential~

~looks at Boozer's rebounding total~

 

[The Stealth Fox]

The argument of convenience will now turn to Manu being the MVP of the league those years and Tim Duncan being the best center of all time(no disrespect to either).

Beaten by the inevitable.

If you ACTUALLY think TP is the Spurs go-to option on offense... :lol

The Spurs got their record by playing team ball exclusively. No one holds the ball for too long in their system, and when someone does, they get yelled at by Pop.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I also don't want to relive the Ben Gordon experience. When he's hot you love it, but when he's not, my god. The Bulls could have gotten Morrow if they wanted an offensive SG, they went for a Brewer/Bogans defensive duo. Everyone has said they could use a perimeter scorer besides Rose at this point, but I don't think it's Ben Gordon.

He started 27 games out of 82 with the old-as-fuck Pistons this year.

I saw him play(not often) and he was missing shots.

All of a sudden, he's one of the better plays in the league again, hahahahahaha.

 

[BeautifulMemory]

People also forget how shitty the East was that year and how the Sixers still needed the refs to job the Bucks in the ECF. AI getting to the Finals was a fucking fluke that year.

That game one win over the Lakers was still beastly though. No, I am not talking about the walk-all-over-Lou. I just loved that Iverson and the Sixers played great enough to grab one game, which of course told everyone that they weren't and couldn't maintain that level of performance.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

If you ACTUALLY think TP is the Spurs go-to option on offense... :lol

The Spurs got their record by playing team ball exclusively. No one holds the ball for too long in their system, and when someone does, they get yelled at by Pop.

I never said that but you clearly underrate him.

Bulls played the Spurs this year and in the second game, no one did shit against the Bulls except for crafty and skilled-as-fuck Parker.

 

[THRILLH0]

Wait, did you just imply that Tony Parker is a dominant first option? lol

On any given night he was just as dominant during that stretch as Rose is now. Timmy put up great numbers but he wasn't the primary option during that series.

The ring totals of Kidd, Payton, Nash and Stockton pretty much debunk the past 2 pages.

 

[punkypine]

People also forget how shitty the East was that year and how the Sixers still needed the refs to job the Bucks in the ECF. AI getting to the Finals was a fucking fluke that year.

i know how shitty it was, and i'm not saying they were a particularly good team. i'm just saying that if deng and boozer both disappeared, rose wouldnt be able to do what iverson did.

i have no doubt that rose will have a better career than iverson, but iverson was no starbury/steve francis

 

[Barrage]

Gordon is GARBAGE. He got payed and tuned out, he'll have a brief resurrection when it's time to dupe another team into signing him long term.

Out of this year's FAs, the best fit for Chicago would be Crawford. But they can't afford him.

 

[SoulPlaya]

He started 27 games out of 82 with the old-as-fuck Pistons this year.

I saw him play(not often) and he was missing shots.

All of a sudden, he's one of the better plays in the league again, hahahahahaha.

Most people on this forum probably only really saw him play during that Celtics series. Bulls fan know better, though.

 

[The Stealth Fox]

He started 27 games out of 82 with the old-as-fuck Pistons this year.

I saw him play(not often) and he was missing shots.

All of a sudden, he's one of the better plays in the league again, hahahahahaha.

That's not how the NBA works. That's like saying Hedo Turkoglu all of a sudden became the worst basketball player ever when he joined the Raptors. Yes, he played like the worst player ever during his Toronto years, but had he stayed with the Magic he would have never had those bad years. The Magic would definitely have had to have overpaid though to keep him.

Ben Gordon was a grade A chucker. He's still better than Bogans and would provide some much needed offense outside of Rose.

Rose shooting 43% as the main option is not what I'd call... efficient.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

i know how shitty it was, and i'm not saying they were a particularly good team. i'm just saying that if deng and boozer both disappeared, rose wouldnt be able to do what iverson did.

i have no doubt that rose will have a better career than iverson, but iverson was no starbury/steve francis

He wouldn't be able to do what Iverson did because the Hawks, Heat, Magic and Celtics are all better than any team in the East that year. Iverson was not a guy you could win with as your number 1 option, and also not a guy who could adjust his game to the people around him. Look at that 01 team, it was basically full of scrubs who would defer and stand around while Iverson played And 1 ball. Iverson was a great player, but I put him more in the Gervin/Nique class than the elite level.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

That's not how the NBA works. That's like saying Hedo Turkoglu all of a sudden became the worst basketball player ever when he joined the Raptors. Yes, he played like the worst player ever during his Toronto years, but had he stayed with the Magic he would have never had those bad years. The Magic would definitely have had to have overpaid though to keep him.

Like I said, he can't start consistently on the Old Boy Piston team right now.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Rose shooting 43% as the main option is not what I'd call... efficient.

I'd say taking over games is rather efficient.

But yeah, hold onto the stats and I'll hold onto the win count.

 

[punkypine]

He wouldn't be able to do what Iverson did because the Hawks, Heat, Magic and Celtics are all better than any team in the East that year. Iverson was not a guy you could win with as your number 1 option, and also not a guy who could adjust his game to the people around him. Look at that 01 team, it was basically full of scrubs who would defer and stand around while Iverson played And 1 ball. Iverson was a great player, but I put him more in the Gervin/Nique class than the elite level.

i agree 100%
he was by far my favorite player growing up, but it was obvious that he didnt have the most versatile game. he was really good at one thing, and when he lost half a step, his career fell apart.

I'd say taking over games is rather efficient.

But yeah, hold onto the stats and I'll hold onto the win count.

i think you need to look up the word efficient... what you are looking for is clutch

 

[The Stealth Fox]

I never said that but you clearly underrate him.

Bulls played the Spurs this year and in the second game, no one did shit against the Bulls except for crafty and skilled-as-fuck Parker.

if you didn't say that then why did you even bother posting?

I said you can't win with a scoring PG as your dominant first option. Someone brought up Tony Parker, and you agreed with him. I said that the example doesn't fit, because Tony Parker has never been the consistent first option in the Spurs offense.

 

[THRILLH0]

Rose shooting 43% as the main option is not what I'd call... efficient.

Rose is winning games in the playoffs. I don't understand why people are ripping on him when when guys like Fisher, Nelson and Bibby et al are still running around.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

if you didn't say that then why did you even bother posting?

I said you can't win with a scoring PG as your dominant first option. Someone brought up Tony Parker, and you agreed with him. I said that the example doesn't fit, because Tony Parker has never been the consistent first option in the Spurs offense.

Trends are made to be broken.

The Bulls have everything it takes to go far in the playoffs, they just have to execute and they haven't so far.

I don't see THAT being a trend.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

i think you need to look up the word efficient... what you are looking for is clutch

I know what it means and like many stats, it means shit, winning games does.

Too much nerdspeak here, not enough watching the impact of players on a basketball court.

Rose didn't have his best game tonight and still was the difference like he usually is.

 

[snack]

Let's move onto the 2nd round so Rose can prove all the doubters wrong.

 

[The Stealth Fox]

nerdspeak, lulz

 

[Ninja Scooter]

shooting percentage is some nerdy advanced stat now?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Rose is winning games in the playoffs. I don't understand why people are ripping on him when when guys like Fisher, Nelson and Bibby et al are still running around.

Knowing people here, God Forbid Rose have a 20 point game or they would say the Bulls should have drafted Beasley.

 

[The Stealth Fox]

Rose is winning games in the playoffs. I don't understand why people are ripping on him when when guys like Fisher, Nelson and Bibby et al are still running around.

Alright, I agree. The Bulls are going to waltz their way to the ECF because Rose is better than Fisher, Nelson, and Bibby.

 

[diehard]

Rose is winning games in the playoffs. I don't understand why people are ripping on him when when guys like Fisher, Nelson and Bibby et al are still running around.

ahh you changed it, i want to know who you thought he was a fan of.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

shooting percentage is some nerdy advanced stat now?

The point obviously is it doesn't tell half the story for the Bulls.

People look at box scores for dissection before they even watch games because surely, they couldn't have seen why the Bulls won these two games despite shitty shooting statistics.

 

[punkypine]

posting on an internet forum (one about gaming...) and calling people out for nerd speak because they busted out a percentage?

i wonder if these bulls fans ever saw how every single player gets abused when they fuck up, rose is nothing special. When kobe is having a bad game, he gets called out too. chill out kids, and just take your wins

 

[Red Blaster]

Rose is barely winning games in the playoffs against a 37 win team that now has AJ Price running the offense.

I know man. What a disappointment.

 

[The Stealth Fox]

shooting percentage is some nerdy advanced stat now?

I'm going to dress up as a NBA boxscore for halloween to scare the hell out of people.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Alright, I agree. The Bulls are going to waltz their way to the ECF because Rose is better than Fisher, Nelson, and Bibby.

Who said they were going to waltz to anything???

 

[Justin Timberlake]

I think I know who my Village Idiot vote is going towards.

And no its not kad.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I'm going to dress up as a NBA boxscore for halloween to scare the hell out of people.

I'm going to dress up as a basketball player(though I don't need Halloween for that really).

 

[Pkaz01]

Fuck yea two favorite match ups tomorrow. Gonna be a good day. and if its not I got MK as a back up.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

i wonder if these bulls fans ever saw how every single player gets abused when they fuck up, rose is nothing special.

Weird, tons of NBA players and coaches have said Rose is the Most Valuable Player of the league but then again, internet forum dwellers would know better, they actually WATCH the games, they don't have the burden of being blinded by playing in them!!!!

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

i'm going to dress up like lady gaga and bang a bunch of guys lololllllllllllllllllllll

 

[snack]

I know man. What a disappointment.

Rose has been the Bulls' offense the past two games. You're just a hater, amirite?

 

[punkypine]

Weird, tons of NBA players and coaches have said Rose is the Most Valuable Player of the league but then again, internet forum dwellers would know better, they actually WATCH the games, they don't have the burden of being blinded by playing in them!!!!

he's nothing special in regards to the abuse he gets on the forum, not in terms of how he plays... you're an idiot.

at this point, you probably believe rose is better than jordan