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2013 Jan NBA Season lOT| Beautiful Black Bodies on Top

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theignoramus

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so is tonights Knicks Celtics game the ultimate troll conundrum for DY or what? If the Czs lose, how can he blame it on Rondo not playing when hes been arguing that Rondo aint shit for ages.
 
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Vahagn

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Remember in the 08-2010 dominant LA years how often the Lakers blew teams out? Who would have thought a bench with Odom + Farmar + Vujacic + Radmonovic + Luuuuuuuuuke was that much better than this team.
 
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captmcblack

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theignoramus said:
so is tonights Knicks Celtics game the ultimate troll conundrum for DY or what? If the Czs lose, how can he blame it on Rondo not playing when hes been arguing that Rondo aint shit for ages.
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It can't be the ultimate troll conundrum unless Felton was there and was a primary reason for a thorough Knicks victory.
 
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Future PhaZe

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Vahagn said:
Remember in the 08-2010 dominant LA years how often the Lakers blew teams out? Who would have thought a bench with Odom + Farmar + Vujacic + Radmonivic was that much better than this team.
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Funny thing is Kobe is playing better than he did then, has better teammates but the record is dramatically worse.

jesus
 
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Syphon Filter

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thekad said:
This season is amazing.
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theignoramus

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The Frankman said:
This is the same guy who turned down chances to commit to forming a superteam with not only Chris Paul, but with Deron Williams.

For all I know he'll sign with Utah.
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Dwight wasnt dumb for deciding to play with Nashty, hes still an elite passer and great off the P&R. its his childishness in his last year in Orlando that deserves contempt. that and the fact the dudes public image is mad fraudulent
 
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captmcblack

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But the Lakers have tons of talent with Kobe, Nash, Howard and Gasol (and to a lesser extent their extras with MWP and even Jamison). They can't get healthy, and worse than that the coaching is ultra-stupid. You have 3 potentially dominant post players with Kobe/Howard/Gasol, and the pick'n'rolliest PG ever in Nash. Somehow, it's smarter to have one of those guys be a stretch shooting 4, and the other guy a garbageman to pick up after jumpshots?

That's all Pringles, man.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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linsivvi said:
Not when your head coach is so bad that he doesn't even know how to use your talents properly and don't bother/don't know how to coach defense.
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The defensive failings of Kobe, Pau, and Dwight this year have nothing to do with coaching though.

I mean, Kobe's been in the league forever and is one of the ten best basketball players of all time. He should know how to play defense and shouldn't have to be motivated to defend.
 
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Vahagn

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Dark FaZe said:
Funny thing is Kobe is playing better than he did then, has better teammates but the record is dramatically worse.

jesus
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Kobe's not playing better at all. He's shooting like 3% better but that's it. He ran the offense much better and with far fewer TO's then and His defense those years was MUCH better than this year and the laker problem is defense more than anything else. That's one area where Lamar is missed. Not only did he rebound at a ridiculous rate but he has the versatility to defend players that Pau, Hill, Jamison can't.

And that second unit was able to leak out and run with Lamar Farmar Vujacic Bynum and whoever the SF was at the time while still having a defensive presence In the middle in Bynum - the games he played anyway.

So they could go on mini 6-0 or 8-0 runs. Something this team can't do with Kobe on the bench, especially in 09 - the bench would always extend the lead the starters built.

IWMTB - Thibs makes everyone a great defender. Coaching does matter and spending 8 minutes in practice on it doesn't help when you have no team chemistry. Kobe's man defense is fine, his rotation issues have to do with effort but also a clear lack of miscommunication with his team, something that can be addressed in practice.
 
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captmcblack

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The defensive failings of Kobe, Pau, and Dwight this year have nothing to do with coaching though.
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But 'Antoni and his systems are infamous for foregoing defense. Coaching would arguably be the largest reason for those failings, theoretically.

Granted, Nash/Gasol are pretty much non-factors defensively...but Kobe and Dwight not being able to play defense suddenly?
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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captmcblack said:
But 'Antoni and his systems are infamous for foregoing defense. Coaching would arguably be the largest reason for those failings, theoretically.

Granted, Nash/Gasol are pretty much non-factors defensively...but Kobe and Dwight not being able to play defense suddenly?
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Dwight can't move and Kobe gives no fucks on defense now.

Lack of athleticism and lack of effort is the main issue.

IWMTB - Thibs makes everyone a great defender. Coaching does matter and spending 8 minutes in practice on it doesn't help when you have no team chemistry. Kobe's man defense is fine, his rotation issues have to do with effort but also a clear lack of miscommunication with his team, something that can be addressed in practice.
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Everyone is a stretch (Boozer still blows on defense) and Thibs has had absolutely amazing defensive talent (KG, Deng, Noah, Gibson, Asik, etc) that would or has thrived without him. He's a great defensive coach, but he has a lot to work with on defense as well. Better schemes could probably help minimize some damage on defense, but there is a major lack of athleticism and effort on defense that is on age and the players themselves instead of coaching.
 
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linsivvi

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The defensive failings of Kobe, Pau, and Dwight this year have nothing to do with coaching though.

I mean, Kobe's been in the league forever and is one of the ten best basketball players of all time. He should know how to play defense and shouldn't have to be motivated to defend.
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Small sample and all but...

10 games before Pringles:
Opponent FG: 43.4% (95.5 points)
Rebounding differential: +8.7

10 games after Pringles:
Opponent FG: 45.3% (103.1 points)
Rebounding differential: +1.7

On the other hand, the offense only picked up 3.4 points despite the faster pace and at a lower FG%.

I'd say Pringles is pretty significant at shitting up whatever mediocre defense the team already had.

Edit: You can blame individual players' defensive failings and all but when you have size advantage and you put your players in positions to rebound the ball you'll still be doing relatively fine. That is exactly what Pringles has not been doing. Coaching can only do so much in this league but when you don't even do common sense coaching and put 3-4 guards on court you're just doomed to fail. This is all Pringles.
 
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h3ro

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Rockettes-age needs to come up with a better name for Harden.

I think Luke Harangody when I see HarGOD posted.
 
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LegendofJoe

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The Lakers were doomed to failure the moment they hired Dan Tony, the guy should never get another head coaching gig in the league again after his stint in LA.
 
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Emwitus

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rando14 said:
Kenyon? Hahaha where did you hear this? holy shit lol
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LOL. Obviously meant kenyon since lakers are short on Big men.

The Frankman said:
It's not.

The Lakers aren't truly dead until their scrubs are getting embarrassed on the court. I'm talking worse than the Sedale Threatt/Anthony Peeler/George Lynch/corpse of Kurt Rambis/1993-1994 Lakers.

Otherwise they're just in limbo.
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You missed chris paul son'ing morris?
 
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Black Mamba

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linsivvi said:
That's because Phil Jackson, Brian Shaw and Jim Cleamons are all better coaches than Pringles.
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Even if those 3 coached from off-season and we assume the same injuries, the team would at best be 18-15 or so.

At the end of the day, Dwight not being Dwight, the injuries, and poor defense wouldn't be fixed by any coach.

They'd be better, but not enough to matter (winning a title). If they're healthy and Dwight is Dwight, maybe Phil is the difference between a title and not, but he's not the different between a title and not making the playoffs.


Small sample and all but...

10 games before Pringles:
Opponent FG: 43.4% (95.5 points)
Rebounding differential: +8.7

10 games after Pringles:
Opponent FG: 45.3% (103.1 points)
Rebounding differential: +1.7

On the other hand, the offense only picked up 3.4 points despite the faster pace and at a lower FG%.

I'd say Pringles is pretty significant at shitting up whatever mediocre defense the team already had.

Edit: You can blame individual players' defensive failings and all but when you have size advantage and you put your players in positions to rebound the ball you'll still be doing relatively fine. That is exactly what Pringles has not been doing. Coaching can only do so much in this league but when you don't even do common sense coaching and put 3-4 guards on court you're just doomed to fail. This is all Pringles.
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Take out the ridiculous Detroit game from the 1st 10. That is skewing shit heavily.

Also, offenses get better as the season goes on every year. The first 10 games are, generally, the best for a team on that end.
 
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