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WTF Jaime and Brienne were my favorite chapters of AFFC![]()
You and me both
I liked Asha and Victarion as well except Sam Tarly
WTF Jaime and Brienne were my favorite chapters of AFFC![]()
WTF Jaime and Brienne were my favorite chapters of Storm of Swords![]()
Fixed that for you
Brienne sucks in Feast for Crows. I'm re-reading that one now and I think what's most frustrating is knowing that she's just going to get unceremoniously hanged after having exactly no impact on the world after parting ways with Jaime.
But... She survives.
You and me both
I liked Asha and Victarion as well except Sam Tarly
But... She survives.
Yeah, she shows up in Jaime's last chapter in ADwD to give us another cliffhanger. Also, the second half of her story in AFfC is great.
lol oops.
I "read" most of Dance with Dragons on audiobook while driving St. Louis -> LA. guess a bunch of stuff went in one ear out the other. guess Oklahoma has a negative impact on listening comprehension![]()
Best part of the damphair chapters is learning that Euron possibly was molesting his younger brother when they were kids.
I was rereading the chapter in Clash where Theon meets Asha, and I got the impression that Euron may have gotten his hands on Theon, too. When Asha mentions him, the book goes out of its way to point out that it makes Theon squirm in his seat. Maybe he's just really scared of that creepy eye though.
Also, I don't know what's up with Asha haters. She's not the most complex character in the books, but she's the most fun in my book.
....What?Asha is pretty interesting. I laughed out loud when she trolled Theon and when she was raped and then she wanted that guy to have sex with her again.
.....What?Also there seems to be an unsullied that went to a prostitute just to receive a hug. Can anyone remind me in which chapter it happened?
Asha is pretty interesting. I laughed out loud when she trolled Theon and when she was raped and then she wanted that guy to have sex with her again.
Also there seems to be an unsullied that went to a prostitute just to receive a hug. Can anyone remind me in which chapter it happened?
Don't think we're supposed to like the Ironborn really. They're a cold and distant people.
I remember the unsullied part and thought it was great (and sad at the same time). Despite being a eunuch and having training meant to emotionally cripple him he retained enough humanity to need physical touch/comfort.....What?
.....What?
Dismissing Dorne and the Iron Islands at this point is stupid, he didn't spend two books writing all of that to have them be irrelevant or play a small role in the coming books.
Dorne is going to play a big role in deciding who takes the throne before Winter arrives at the capital. Euron is going to end up as the antagonist to Daenerys and bring her to Westeros with the Dragon Horn.
I remember the unsullied part and thought it was great (and sad at the same time). Despite being a eunuch and having training meant to emotionally cripple him he retained enough humanity to need physical touch/comfort.
GRRM introduced them midway through the game. He should have done that a lot sooner. Even if a spot here or there, a quick mention. I know he's writing this off the cuff, but he also said he knows the end game...if they were important for the ending, he would or should have introduced them earlier.
That's a big reason for people not liking Feast - suddenly we have a ton of new characters and things slow down. We don't care about these people because we still barely know them. And we barely like them.
I don't really see the problem with introducing characters later on in the story when they become relevant although Aegon would have pushed the limits of that if he was actually a Targaryen.
ASOIAF fan translator:
"I love Dorne!" = "I love Oberyn."
"I hate Dorne!" = "I hate the Queenmaker arc."
Asha is pretty interesting. I laughed out loud when she trolled Theon and when she was raped and then she wanted that guy to have sex with her again.
Also there seems to be an unsullied that went to a prostitute just to receive a hug. Can anyone remind me in which chapter it happened?
This is a major problem I have with the books. I just don't believe it whenever a character "dies" anymore. I want to be emotionally affected and surprised, but I can't help thinking, "eh, he's probably not dead."
I blame Martin's constant use of bait-and-switch regarding character deaths. They're just meaningless by now. Is Jon dead? Probably not. Stannis? Nah. It's funny, Tyrion's drowning didn't even register to me as a death. I just saw it as an chapter-ending cliffhanger, and it didn't even cross my mind that he might have died.
Come on, Martin. Make deaths important and permanent again.
Asha's rough sex scene was hilarious because of how poorly/awkwardly it was written.
When Martin kills someone they usually die in-chapter, heads cut off, etc. The cliffhangers are just his way to sustaining momentum--I blame the lifetime of writing failed tv scripts and pulp for this.
It'd be funny if GRRM completed the series with the only POV death being Ned (other than the prologue/epilogue characters and Cat doesn't count).
Quentin Martell and Arys Oakheart.
Arys wasn't a POV. That was an Arriane chapter.
Also Davos not actually being dead pleasantly surprised me on both counts: first after the Battle of the Blackwater, and then again after Manderly suggests to have him executed, thus corroborating the story we heard in Feast.
Asha's rough sex scene was hilarious because of how poorly/awkwardly it was written.
Oh yeah, damn, well there goes that theory haha!
Meh. Characters like Jon, Tyrion and Stannis arent going to die anyways until the end. Its obvious most of the major characters have had long term storylines made that wont be cut short to satisfy shock deaths like Ned Stark. Its much easier to do early on. Unless Martin finds he needs an 8th to finish, Winter should start the meat grinder going again as it leads intot he finale. Plus I'm not sure any of those examples were actually trying to legitimately trick the reader into thinking those characters are dead. Definitely all cliffhangers rather than bait and switches.
Arys gets one POV chapter in AFFC, "The Soiled Knight".
I'm just wondering, do we consider the added scenes from the TV show to be canon?
The Catelyn scene on the show is why I'm wondering. To me, from the reading the books I couldn't ever imagine book Catelyn praying for Jon to survive.
Obviously GRRM is involved in the show, do they check with him when they add little bits like that?
I'm just wondering, do we consider the added scenes from the TV show to be canon?
The Catelyn scene on the show is why I'm wondering. To me, from the reading the books I couldn't ever imagine book Catelyn praying for Jon to survive.
Obviously GRRM is involved in the show, do they check with him when they add little bits like that?
Absolutely not. GRRM is involved in the show in that he writes an episodes a season, answers questions, and probably makes suggestions but the showrunners ultimately decide what goes into the show. You couldn't even begin to resolve conflicts between what happened in the books and what happens on the show.
Killing pov characters don't really matter all that much. Deaths of non pov characters are just as important. It's how it affect the story that matters. Way too much focus on a lack of pov death as some necessary component
The TV show is not book-canon. They are two separate canons. And I agree, book-Catelyn doesn't give a flying fuck about Jon Snow and would never pray for his survival or any such bollocks.I'm just wondering, do we consider the added scenes from the TV show to be canon?
The Catelyn scene on the show is why I'm wondering. To me, from the reading the books I couldn't ever imagine book Catelyn praying for Jon to survive.
Obviously GRRM is involved in the show, do they check with him when they add little bits like that?
The TV show is not book-canon. They are two separate canons. And I agree, book-Catelyn doesn't give a flying fuck about Jon Snow and would never pray for his survival or any such bollocks.
Cat already had plenty of humanity. Her unfair judgement of Jon was one of the interesting things about her characterSay what you will about Catelyn, but I actually loved that scene in the show. Sure, nothing in the book makes sense, but likewise, there is nothing in the book to state that she never once attempted to show compassion to him.
She flat out states on the show that she hated him from the moment he was brought home and wished death upon him which is essentially the Catelyn we know from the book, but why is it hard to believe that she may have at one time tried to love him? I love the aspect of her thinking all of this happening to her family is because she couldn't keep her promise to love Jon Snow. it adds a nice layer of humanity to her character and makes her turn into lady stoneheart even more tragic i think.
It isn't like we spend a whole lot of time with them together in the books. We get her yelling at him when he says Goodbye to Bran before leaving the wall and thats about it... she never really has any moment of vulnerability in the book where that piece of information would make sense (she never spoke to Jeyne in the books like she speaks to Talisa if I recall correctly Please correct me if im wrong)
Well, I guess you "love" it, I thought it was stupid and nonsensical and only made TV-Catelyn more annoying. *shrugs*I love the aspect of her thinking all of this happening to her family is because she couldn't keep her promise to love Jon Snow.
No it doesn't. WTFit adds a nice layer of humanity