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[Zemm]

Can't wait for the shitstorm if people are actually refunding their games en masse.

However I feel like it's just going to ultimately push publishers away from the platform rather than devote more resources into it.

Fine by me if they do. Their games wouldn't be worth buying in the first place if they're worried about refunds.

This steam refund policy is soooo good. Even if I can't use it on this game it's nice to know I have protection from shitty devs/pubs in the future. If those guys can't handle it and leave PC altogether then good riddance.

 

[Zakalwe]

I do wonder why this game is purposely locked at 30FPS as default , unlocking it , indoors in the same scene it can fluctuate about 20frames. What kind of crappy programming was implemented remains a big mystery.

I think it's obvious they panic locked it last moment to try to hide the unstable framerates.

 

[kenjigreat]

I think it's obvious they panic locked it last moment to try to hide the unstable framerates.

That in-game benchmarks though. SO MUCH LIES.

 

[pa22word]

lol I downloaded this game last night and was hoping to boot it up when I got home from work this morning

Turns out my entire instal was eaten and I had to redownload the entire game T_T

Fun fun...

 

[CUD]

So tell me why I should hate the above the screenshot? I guess my ignorance is bliss right now.

The game doesn't look that bad but it's lacking things it should have and options to remove things that it does have. I would love to remove the motion blur, chromatic aberration and film grain as they detract from the graphics more than they add to them.

You also said 30fps doesn't bother you so I suppose smooth, consistent performance isn't something you expect in game.

Whether you like the graphics of the screenshot isn't as much the point as it is that it should look and perform better than it does. You could love how it looks on the lowest settings but we should be able to play this game at higher frame rates and with better graphics than home consoles.

 

[Aztechnology]

I'm seriously not experiencing the issues posted on here, the only thing I notice is that the PC takes forever to recover once I've exited the game.

Water looks good.
Textures load in.
The only stuttering I've encountered is when I summon the Batmobile.

I didn't tweak any settings, just played with how it came.

Your AO and Water Shaders are working? Because I'm pretty sure they aren't working on any known PC at this time. I also get great framerate and no stuttering, but those are absent, and it's annoying as hell.

 

[owasog]

That's just terrible compression. Water does not look like that on the PC version.

Compression wouldn't make the water magically darker. The big waves are just not there in the first shot.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

Your AO and Water Shaders are working? Because I'm pretty sure they aren't working on any known PC at this time. I also get great framerate and no stuttering, but those are absent, and it's annoying as hell.

I was down by the dock, where one of the bridges and a lock are, and you could see the waves tumbling around. Is it just the rain drops on Batman's cowl people are upset about?

You also said 30fps doesn't bother you so I suppose smooth, consistent performance isn't something you expect in game.

But if I'm getting a solid 30fps isn't that 'smooth' in the sense that it's not dipping erratically to 20/10/1fps? The only time I notice an freeze or stuttering is when the Batmobile is summoned.

 

[Killing_Joke]

It's a shame WB hurt Rocksteady like this. I would have easily waited an extra 3 months for a perfect port. Guess they had to rush it for the nvidia promotions. smh

 

[Zakalwe]

I was down by the dock, where one of the bridges and a lock are, and you could see the waves tumbling around. Is it just the rain drops on Batman's cowl people are upset about?

Are you reading our posts? We're told you why a few times now.

Forget that.

The game launched with a 30fps cap to hide the fact that higher framerates are unstable.

It's literally missing graphical effects consoles have.

Many users are experiencing horrific stuttering, crashes, and game breaking errors.

This is not something you should accept, even if you're lucky enough to not notice.

 

[kenjigreat]

It's a shame WB hurt Rocksteady like this. I would have easily waited an extra 3 months for a perfect port. Guess they had to rush it for the nvidia promotions. smh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQRGypvRfxA

This ran at 1080P/60FPS.

 

[Aztechnology]

I was down by the dock, where one of the bridges and a lock are, and you could see the waves tumbling around. Is it just the rain drops on Batman's cowl people are upset about?



But if I'm getting a solid 30fps isn't that 'smooth' in the sense that it's not dipping erratically to 20/10/1fps? The only time I notice an freeze or stuttering is when the Batmobile is summoned.

On the vehicles, characters etc. Mainly it's the AO, AA and other features that are pretty important.

 

[Seanspeed]

Compression wouldn't make the water magically darker. The big waves are just not there in the first shot.

Maybe, but that screen comparison doesn't show shit with that level of compression.

 

[big_z]

with the required spec bump at the last minute I wonder if Denuvo has anything to do with the pc problems. after reading up it I got flashbacks to the days of starforce.

They don't even have anyone outright saying they are WORKING ON A PATCH , even after press coverage and Steam reviews being very negative. I am very certain they don't give a fuck.

https://twitter.com/Seftonhill/status/613432514091307008

 

[Darkstorne]

I was down by the dock, where one of the bridges and a lock are, and you could see the waves tumbling around. Is it just the rain drops on Batman's cowl people are upset about?

You paid for a game that, by PC standards, runs like ass and has multiple graphical features disabled. Of the three versions (PC, PS4, Xbox One) the PC version is by far the worst graphically, regardless of your setup. More importantly, no-one was made aware of these framerate locks and missing graphical effects before the game launched. They happily took gamer's money, and stayed silent.

If you're happy with the performance and look, that's fine, but are you really happy with the way they went about this? It's pretty damn shady.

 

[kenjigreat]

with the required spec bump at the last minute I wonder if Denuvo has anything to do with the pc problems. after reading up it I got flashbacks to the days of starforce.



https://twitter.com/Seftonhill/status/613432514091307008

Thanks.

You paid for a game that, by PC standards, runs like ass and has multiple graphical features disabled. Of the three versions (PC, PS4, Xbox One) the PC version is by far the worst graphically, regardless of your setup. More importantly, no-one was made aware of these framerate locks and missing graphical effects before the game launched. They happily took gamer's money, and stayed silent.

If you're happy with the performance and look, that's fine, but are you really happy with the way they went about this? It's pretty damn shady.

THIS . Basically like getting a kick to the nuts , just because you don't notice the pain , doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

lol, Steam can't refund if you've played the game for more than two hours

 

[Atraveller]

lol, Steam can't refund if you've played the game for more than two hours

Yes it can.

 

[owasog]

Maybe, but that screen comparison doesn't show shit with that level of compression.

Watch the original video (@1080p). From 2:34 to 3:00 you can clearly see all waves are missing from the PC version.

 

[SliChillax]

But I haven't noticed that, but then I've never been one to look into details about graphics. Also 30fps has rarely, if ever, bothered me.

How does that make it ok for the rest of us that notice that kind of stuff? This is unacceptable, if you're ok with mediocre ports then fine, whatever floats your boat but don't come into a performance PC thread talking about how OK you are with a shitty PC port.

 

[kenjigreat]

lol, Steam can't refund if you've played the game for more than two hours

Which is why you always read the REFUND Policies , I refunded mine at 1h18min mark.

How does that make it ok for the rest of us that notice that kind of stuff? This is unacceptable, if you're ok with mediocre ports then fine, whatever floats your boat but don't come into a performance PC thread talking about how OK you are with a shitty PC port.

He's just one of those people where 30fps looks the same as 60 fps , 1080p looks the same as 720p .

Some people have lower standards . They'll enjoy whatever is given to them.

For me , I can't forgive a game running like shit and looking worse than Console when my setup cost 4 times as much.

 

[Evo X]

Hey guys, I got my hands on a behind the scenes conversation between a Rocksteady developer and WB executive.

RS: "We are so excited to bring our vision of Gotham City and the conclusion of our epic saga to PC with the best IQ and fancy Nvidia effects! Glad we expanded our company with all these new programmers"

WB: "Oh, you won't be working on that. We hired Iron Galaxy Studios to port it."

RS: "Dave Lang's D-Tier outfit with his 11 employees? I don't think that's a great idea..."

WB: "Don't care. They said they'd do it for 15 bucks, some cheeseburgers, and a case of beer."

RS: "But our PC audience is paying just as much for these games, and some shell out thousands on high end components for a quality experience. Don't they deserve the same treatment as the in-house console versions?"

WB: "No, no, no. A PC gamer is just a man lost in the scramble for his own gratification. PC games can be pirated, hacked, or modded. But if you make yourself more than just a collection of parts, if you devote yourself to an ideal(Based 8GB GDDR5), and if they can't stop you, then you become something else entirely."

RS: "Which is?"

WB: "Playstation 4, Mr. Wayne."

WB: "Oh yeah, and tell them to throw that Denuvo shit on the PC port as well. That way we get a weeks worth of sales before it's cracked. Now get the fuck out of my office and go work on DLC while I snort cocaine off this hooker's ass."

RS: (Everyone is going to hate us) ;__;

 

[kenjigreat]

Hey guys, I got my hands on a behind the scenes conversation between a Rocksteady developer and WB executive.

RS: "We are so excited to bring our vision of Gotham City and the conclusion of our epic saga to PC with the best IQ and fancy Nvidia effects! Glad we expanded our company with all these new programmers"

WB: "Oh, you won't be working on that. We hired Iron Galaxy Studios to port it."

RS: "Dave Lang's D-Tier outfit with his 11 employees? I don't think that's a great idea..."

WB: "Don't care. They said they'd do it for 15 bucks, some cheeseburgers, and a case of beer."

RS: "But our PC audience is paying just as much for these games, and some shell out thousands on high end components for a quality experience. Don't they deserve the same treatment as the in-house console versions?"

WB: "No, no, no. A PC gamer is just a man lost in the scramble for his own gratification. PC games can be pirated, hacked, or modded. But if you make yourself more than just a collection of parts, if you devote yourself to an ideal(Based 8GB GDDR5), and if they can't stop you, then you become something else entirely."

RS: "Which is?"

WB: "Playstation 4, Mr. Wayne."

WB: "Oh yeah, and tell them to throw that Denuvo shit on the PC port as well. That way we get a weeks worth of sales before it's cracked. Now get the fuck out of my office and go work on DLC while I snort cocaine off this hooker's ass."

RS: (Everyone is going to hate us) ;__;

Can I request someone make the Spanish guy laughing video or Hitler Video?

 

[Mr. Luchador]

How does that make it ok for the rest of us that notice that kind of stuff? This is unacceptable, if you're ok with mediocre ports then fine, whatever floats your boat but don't come into a performance PC thread talking about how OK you are with a shitty PC port.

I've came into a thread about PC Performance and shared that the performance I've experienced has been fine. It's running at 30fps, except for the Bat Mobile. Textures are loading in fine, the sea around the islands looks fine. The only other thing I've experienced is a audio glitch if my combo is broken, and the PC taking a long time to recover after I've closed the program.

I've never once mentioned the state of the port, indicating it was good or 'shitty', and I've never once said I approved of any such state. So please, don't put false arguments towards me due to possible anger you feel.

I've shared my experience and asked questions as to why others aren't impressed. I will continue to post in this thread as I see fit.

Which is why you always read the REFUND Policies , I refunded mine at 1h18min mark.



He's just one of those people where 30fps looks the same as 60 fps , 1080p looks the same as 720p .

Some people have lower standards . They'll enjoy whatever is given to them.

For me , I can't forgive a game running like shit and looking worse than Console when my setup cost 4 times as much.

Again I've never said any of the above. Please relax. I can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps, such as GTAV's PS4 release against GTAV's PC release. I, however, don't feel the need to get outraged when a game is released at 30fps, I don't feel like it's some huge blight on my gaming experience, but then I've grown up with games running from a range of fps over the last few decades.

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Yes it can.

Probably.

Hello Dudebro
We have reviewed your refund request.
We are unable to refund this purchase to your Steam Wallet at this time. Your playtime of an included product exceeds 2 hours (our refund policy maximum).

Batman: Arkham Knight Pre-Order
Batman™: Arkham Knight - Playtime: 7 hours 47 minutes

Purchased: Jun 22, 2015 BST

Which is why you always read the REFUND Policies , I refunded mine at 1h18min mark.

I read the policy but decided to get a refund anyway. I might get lucky

 

[kenjigreat]

I've came into a thread about PC Performance and shared that the performance I've experienced has been fine. It's running at 30fps, except for the Bat Mobile. Textures are loading in fine, the sea around the islands looks fine. The only other thing I've experienced is a audio glitch if my combo is broken, and the PC taking a long time to recover after I've closed the program.

I've never once mentioned the state of the port, indicating it was good or 'shitty', and I've never once said I approved of any such state. So please, don't put false arguments towards me due to possible anger you feel.

I've shared my experience and asked questions as to why others aren't impressed. I will continue to post in this thread as I see fit.

Freedom of speech and such but don't even try to tame the angry mob.

 

[Revengineer]

I'm seriously not experiencing the issues posted on here, the only thing I notice is that the PC takes forever to recover once I've exited the game.

Water looks good.
Textures load in.
The only stuttering I've encountered is when I summon the Batmobile.

I didn't tweak any settings, just played with how it came.

I notice the missing graphical features everytime I play now that I've seen exactly what it's missing from the PS4. Batman never gets wet on the PC. So pathetic this port.

 

[Zakalwe]

I've came into a thread about PC Performance and shared that the performance I've experienced has been fine. It's running at 30fps, except for the Bat Mobile. Textures are loading in fine, the sea around the islands looks fine. The only other thing I've experienced is a audio glitch if my combo is broken, and the PC taking a long time to recover after I've closed the program.

I've never once mentioned the state of the port, indicating it was good or 'shitty', and I've never once said I approved of any such state. So please, don't put false arguments towards me due to possible anger you feel.

I've shared my experience and asked questions as to why others aren't impressed. I will continue to post in this thread as I see fit.

You ignored posts listing the numerous issues and asked "is it just the raindrops missing from the cowl people are upset about?"

Writing things like "the performance I've experienced is fine. It's running at 30fps" isn't helping either, the game shouldn't be locked to 30fps, it running stable 30 is not something to be happy about even if 30fps is acceptable to you.

 

[Atraveller]

Probably.

I read the policy but decided to get a refund anyway. I might get lucky

2 hour/1 week rule is for unconditional refund, "technical issues" is another thing.

 

[-MD-]

So GMG will be offering refunds after the first patch hits.

Warner Bros. are currently working on a patch which we are hoping will be released soon. We want you to enjoy your game, but if after the fix has been released, you still cannot play your game, we will process refund requests for the game.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

I notice the missing graphical features everytime I play now that I've seen exactly what it's missing from the PS4. Batman never gets wet on the PC. So pathetic this port.

Yeah, I think that's part of the issue. It wasn't an issue until it was seen. However, does that really stop you playing the game? I can understand the frame rate drops and stuttering are off putting, but the extra graphic effects? I don't know, man. I have the PC and the PS4 version, so perhaps I'll just go play the PS4 version for now.

You ignored posts listing the numerous issues and asked "is it just the raindrops missing from the cowl people are upset about?"

Writing things like "the performance I've experienced is fine. It's running at 30fps" isn't helping either, the game shouldn't be locked to 30fps, it running stable 30 is not something to be happy about even if 30fps is acceptable to you.

Tell me why 30fps is bad, please?

 

[MGrant]

I watched a lot of great-looking 60 fps videos of the game on youtube prior to launch (e.g. the Nvidia Gameworks trailer). Where did those come from? I want that version.

 

[Toothless Spoon]

THIS .

Look at the AO on Batman alone - like it seems small, but AO adds a lot of depth to characters in the world.

 

[Klyka]

Probably.




I read the policy but decided to get a refund anyway. I might get lucky

After 7 hours and 50 minutes you want your money back.

SEVEN HOURS
AND
FIFTY MINUTES

"nah,this isn't good, I want my money back"

WOW

 

[Zakalwe]

I, however, don't feel the need to get outraged when a game is released at 30fps, I don't feel like it's some huge blight on my gaming experience.

This isn't about 30fps being an acceptable performance level in general.

This is a PC game.

Locked to 30fps by the developers to try to hide terrible performance at higher frames.

You don't see the issue here?

Yeah, I think that's part of the issue. It wasn't an issue until it was seen. However, does that really stop you playing the game? I can understand the frame rate drops and stuttering are off putting, but the extra graphic effects? I don't know, man. I have the PC and the PS4 version, so perhaps I'll just go play the PS4 version for now.

The missing effects is the icing on the cake.

Please stop trying to play this down.

 

[kenjigreat]

I notice the missing graphical features everytime I play now that I've seen exactly what it's missing from the PS4. Batman never gets wet on the PC. So pathetic this port.

PS4

PC

Summed up

 

[Wildschwein]

So GMG will be offering refunds after the first patch hits.

That's fantastic and unexpected of them. Good on GMG.

 

[Chariot]

So GMG will be offering refunds after the first patch hits.

Come on nvidia, you can do it. Take the L and let us swap for another game too.

 

[kenjigreat]

Yeah, I think that's part of the issue. It wasn't an issue until it was seen. However, does that really stop you playing the game? I can understand the frame rate drops and stuttering are off putting, but the extra graphic effects? I don't know, man. I have the PC and the PS4 version, so perhaps I'll just go play the PS4 version for now.



Tell me why 30fps is bad, please?

Its not bad , But I spent thousands on my PC . To have it look worse than console and have craptastic jumpy frames when its not locked to 30FPS in a 2015 Game . WTF

 

[jediyoshi]

So GMG will be offering refunds after the first patch hits.

Interesting since I can't imagine they have the power to redact keys, is it just WB eating it?

 

[kenjigreat]

I watched a lot of great-looking 60 fps videos of the game on youtube prior to launch (e.g. the Nvidia Gameworks trailer). Where did those come from? I want that version.

Pre-Alpha Code , it got downgraded.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

This isn't about 30fps being an acceptable performance level in general.

This is a PC game.

Locked to 30fps by the developers to try to hide terrible performance at higher frames.

You don't see the issue here?



The missing effects is the icing on the cake.

Please stop trying to play this down.

I'm not trying to play anything down, I just can't understand the outrage. If they've capped it at 30fps what's the issue? Is the issue that it's a PC Game locked at 30fps? I really don't understand this line of thought at all. I'm trying to though.

Its not bad , But I spent thousands on my PC . To have it look worse than console and have craptastic jumpy frames when its not locked to 30FPS in a 2015 Game . WTF

OK, thank you. This I can understand

 

[Zakalwe]

Tell me why 30fps is bad, please?

What are you having difficulty with here?

This isn't about 30fps being an acceptable performance level in general.

This is a PC game.

Locked to 30fps by the developers to try to hide terrible performance at higher frames.

You don't see the issue here?
.

I'm not trying to play anything down, I just can't understand the outrage. If they've capped it at 30fps what's the issue? Is the issue that it's a PC Game locked at 30fps? I really don't understand this line of thought at all. I'm trying to though.

It's literally there, in the part you quoted.

The game is locked at 30fps to hide terrible performance at higher frames.

 

[CUD]

Tell me why 30fps is bad, please?

Lower frame rates are worse than higher frame rates.

Are you trolling? Now I'm not even sure. You're asking why a 30fps lock is bad on a PC game, come on...

 

[Hybrid897]

So GMG will be offering refunds after the first patch hits.

Great news!

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

Yeah, I think that's part of the issue. It wasn't an issue until it was seen. However, does that really stop you playing the game? I can understand the frame rate drops and stuttering are off putting, but the extra graphic effects? I don't know, man. I have the PC and the PS4 version, so perhaps I'll just go play the PS4 version for now.



Tell me why 30fps is bad, please?

Yes, for some people, including me.

30 fps is bad because it makes the game feel less smooth, less responsive especially for people who have good rigs that are used to gaming at 60+ fps.

Plus, you cannot ignore the fact that some people spends a lot of money on their rigs in order to play the game at a setting that they want, with the effects that were advertised, which are completely missing here.

Getting a shitty product with false advertisements, shitty support is what enrages people.

 

[-MD-]

I'm not trying to play anything down, I just can't understand the outrage.

Come on, man.

 

[Revengineer]

Yeah, I think that's part of the issue. It wasn't an issue until it was seen. However, does that really stop you playing the game? I can understand the frame rate drops and stuttering are off putting, but the extra graphic effects? I don't know, man. I have the PC and the PS4 version, so perhaps I'll just go play the PS4 version for now.

Not that specifically, no. But, random textures not loading completely/loading in at far too close distances is. And I have a pretty modern system - 4670k i5, 970, 16GB RAM, SSDs. Runs Witcher 3 at Ultra no problem.

I expected at least parity with PS4. What pisses me off most is WB Games' latest "update" for PC players saying basically "so we're trying to make AMD, NVidia, and Iron Galaxy fix this game, but here are some tips: don't try to fix the game." That incensed me. Telling people not to modify INI files that are hilariously commented (which wtf? commenting in INI files? in release code no less...) and actually improve the game in some cases...

It's just disappointing and I expect nothing will come of it even though it's already been recognized offically by both the main developer and publisher.

 

[Mechazawa]

Come on nvidia, you can do it. Take the L and let us swap for another game too.

Shit, I'll take a second copy of Witcher 3.

Shit, I'll take a second copy of Unity.

 

[Revengineer]

Great news!

Oh fuck yeah. GMG doing it right this round.