Honestly, he shouldn't have needed it spelt out.
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Batman AK PC Perf Thread of DARKNESS, NO SETTINGS [30fps cap / intro removal in OP]
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Honestly, he shouldn't have needed it spelt out.
RibbedHero
Member
PC games don't have restrictions, that's fundamental to the platform itself.
I really hope that NVIDIA will offer something similar for people who bought into their deal due to this game.
Mr. Luchador
Member
OK, so it's more to do with it being 30fps on PC?
The false advertisement part I'm not too aware of, as I tried to avoid all media hype around the game in case things were leaked and spoiled. I do agree that some people have spent a lot of money on their rigs, and probably expected better performance.
Well, hopefully they will fix it. If it's just graphical options being disabled then I don't feel the need to worry too much - didn't they fix that with PC Watchdogs after someone discovered all the ini options to change? (Although WBs saying don't play with the ini file seems odd).
MaddenNFL64
Member
Great, you can handle crappy ports, and you shrug your shoulders. Cool. Other people expect something better from a full priced PC release, and won't stand for it.
derExperte
Member
hmmmm
We buy PC hardware so we can get performance beyond the console standard.
Our hardware is more than capable of running this game at higher framerates.
The game has been capped at 30 to hide the fact that higher framerates are unstable, to hide the fact this port has terrible performance on PC.
The Cowboy
Member
It could be that person never explained the reason for the refund request properly and why it was still a valid request outside of the limit , it (hopefully) should have quoted this part of the refund policy.
Basically there own refund policy states that even if you are outside of the 2 hour/14 day windows you can still make a request and they will look into it.
The best bet would be something like.
It still might not work, but its worth doing it like this just to be sure.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Is it 30fps on Consoles?
I've asked a question about framerate, I haven't played anything down.
I've contacted another UK retailer who sales games like GMG to see if they will be doing the same, I'll report back when I get an answer.
Gamekeysnow basically sent a generic shitty e-mail. Well last time I buy from them. :/
It is.
You're playing it down.
People have explained to you what the issue is, I have no idea what your difficulty is here. It's up there, in plain English.
Not the rain, but there's a sweet fx profile that has enabled AO I believe.
Will try to find a link...
EDIT: google it, there are a few that might be worth trying.
kenjigreat
Banned
Yes
Since you asked nicely
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/syst...-need-a-368-teraflop-gpu-to-match-p-29422359/
John Carmack said this is what you need to match a PS4 , 3.68 Teraflops on the GPU.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2686...-gtx-980-and-gtx-970-graphics-processors.html
My GTX 980 does 5 Teraflops and I run them in SLI.
You are saying I should be stuck at 30FPS, running shittier effects and saying there is no problem?
(This is for anyone that doesn't 'get it')
Not to mention that I run a Desktop i7-4790K and the PS4 runs a Laptop CPU.
MaddenNFL64
Member
Um, yes? They also have ambient occlusion, and rain textures that are non existent on PC.
There can be no doubt now, steam refunds is one of the greatest things to happen to PC gaming. I unfortunately bought my copy from Nuuvem but I feel totally ripped off because I have a PS4 as well. I'd just return my copy and by the ps4 and be done with this whole thing. Instead I have a broken product that I'm stuck with. I wish there was a class action lawsuit against these guys or something.
Your reasoning (while fully justified) is beside the point really, the fact this game has been forced to 30fps is a problem that shouldn't require explanation.
Bright-Light
Member
I dont quite understand everything about graphical effects so im gonna ask a question that might sound dumb.
when im playing the game it looks really washed out to me, is this down to lack of AO or is it maybe just my tv settings?
when im playing the game it looks really washed out to me, is this down to lack of AO or is it maybe just my tv settings?
kenjigreat
Banned
Keep this in your steam library as a reminder to NEVER EVER buy another Warner PC game.
Auto-Reply
Member
Keep in mind that this is not the same as what the game originally had/has in the "intended" build and could look odd or hit your performance hard. I have not tried it but have experienced this with other games where I did that.
Mr. Luchador
Member
I'm not playing anything down, I'm just asking questions to build up my understanding. I've never once offered a counter to any of the issues to 'play things down'. I'm just trying to understand why 30fps is so frowned upon within PC Gaming.
At the moment both versions (Console and PC) run at 30fps, PC Gamers would like the option to run it at higher fps if they're able.
Console versions have some extra shaders available that should also be available on the PC Version. At the moment there doesn't seem to be any real way to enable them.
Console version seems to have better texture streaming than PC, no one really knows why (SSD seems to work better than HDD and consoles are reading from the disk?)
kenjigreat
Banned
It looks subpar but could also be your Tv , we can't judge since we are not in the same room as you.
kenjigreat
Banned
This game launched with less graphical options than indie games.
Well, yeah. That's what the 30fps cap means, that it's capped by default to 30fps on PC. On consoles it's 30fps too but on PC we've come to expect at least 60fps, which shouldn't be too much to ask considering the hardware of home consoles vs a lot of gaming PCs today.
60fps should be a minimum and it is the aim for a lot of console games but when they fail to achieve that with the console's hardware they settle for 30fps which a lot of console gamers don't mind because they're so used to it now. The only reason we get a 30fps cap on PC is because the devs didn't put as much resources into the PC port than they did working on the console versions of the game. Removing the cap alone doesn't fix the performance issues with this game but it is just one issue and a sign of how poorly the game was prioritised.
SliChillax
Member
Yeah I don't mind 30fps as much as the missing effects.
You are playing it down, you're constantly writing "but 30fps is fine for me" and similar, and you're asking "why is 30fps a problem" when you've had clear, concise explanations.
30fps is not frowned upon. 30fps is fine on PC. Sometimes you chose 30fps and more visual effects or higher resolutions, the entire point of PC gaming is to have the choice: performance or quality.
The issue is this, I've written this numerous times now, maybe underlining it will help:
They added a 30fps lock to try to hide the fact this game has terrible performance at higher framerates.
It was deception, intended, there is no reason to lock a PC game to 30fps unless the game doesn't run well above 30fps. And this game has terrible performance, fluctuating between 60 to as low as single digit frame rates for some.
This, alongside the fact that many are experiencing regular dips below 30fps, constant stuttering, and crashes, show how poorly done this port is.
AndyMoogle
Member
I'd say that it's more likely they will fix the AO and the rain shader than fixing performance. It's really not hard to add those things.
kenjigreat
Banned
Don't bother with the game till its COMPLETELY FIXED.
If they don't plan to fix it , I don't plan to buy a Warner game.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
I'm much more confident that the effects will be reinstated than I am of the performance being greatly improved.
Although I am completely on board with the port being dreadful, I don't think it's helpful to say "but I SHOULD be able to do all these things that the developers didn't let me do originally!". The 30fps lock - if it wasn't so easily removed - I can understand being unexpected and "poor form", but is not in itself completely unacceptable; demanding that it SHOULD be 60fps just because you have spent thousands on a gaming PC feels a little entitled, although I do understand being peeved by it.
The problems with the port are deeper than "my ninja gaming PC doesn't run it in a resolution greater than real life" or whatever. The poor texture loading and missing graphical features, plus whatever bad coding it is that can cause terrible freezing when the camera pans or in certain Batmobile segments, are problems almost entirely independent of whether you've got something close to minimum spec or fifty ice-cooled Titan cards in your monolith-sized workstation.
The problems with the port are deeper than "my ninja gaming PC doesn't run it in a resolution greater than real life" or whatever. The poor texture loading and missing graphical features, plus whatever bad coding it is that can cause terrible freezing when the camera pans or in certain Batmobile segments, are problems almost entirely independent of whether you've got something close to minimum spec or fifty ice-cooled Titan cards in your monolith-sized workstation.
Auto-Reply
Member
Yep, that's probably more likely to happen.
kenjigreat
Banned
I guess every year we need to have a AC Unity and Watch Dogs.
This year we have them combined into one game. Crap performance and downgrade.
WAIT WHAT?!?! This is the Year 2015 , if you don't launch AAA game that can run at 60FPS , the port is subar . NO EXCUSES. Having 60 FPS option is a STANDARD.
Mr. Luchador
Member
OK, thank you CUD for your thoughtful and balanced answer
Yeah, I can imagine the missing effects can be patched in, or will be discovered via an ini file/nvidia setting (similar to Watchdogs).
OK, thank you CUD for your thoughtful and balanced answer
This was explained to you numerous times over the last few pages. You even quoted posts that contained this explanation and still asked "I don't see what's wrong with 30fps"
There is nothing entitled about saying "this game should run at 60fps".
The ease of removing the 30fps lock is beside the point.
Capped 30 fps is generally frowned, because PC gaming is all about options.and denying us simple freedom most gamrs offer is an insult from an AAA title. Consoles are narrow streets in a city where people genrally keep to speed limits, but PC gaming is the german Autobahn where you can drive as fast you can and want on your own responsibility.
holygeesus
Banned
What is up with the Xbox One controller prompts in game BTW?
Does the Xbox One version have rain effects? :suspect:
Does the Xbox One version have rain effects? :suspect:
kenjigreat
Banned
Looks at Graphical Options in this game.
LOL.
Both Consoles have what the PC lacks in terms of effects.
Bright-Light
Member
Lol.
Fair point.
But would the lack of AO lead to a washed out image, is that the impact it has on IQ? Or is it not that simple?
ScreamingTrees
Member
I can't even get it to be stable 30fps for me. It constantly stutters on my GTX970 and I have the game on an SSD.
I was actually planning on buying a new powerful GPU for my pc. Specifically for playing this game with all the bells and wistles on, in 4k on my big screen tv.
Obviously i will not do that.
Until this is properly fixed everything is pure lip service from the ones responsible.
Obviously i will not do that.
Until this is properly fixed everything is pure lip service from the ones responsible.
kenjigreat
Banned
http://community.wbgames.com/t5/Sup...formance-PLEASE-READ-FIRST/m-p/572903#U572903
QUOTE :
Recommended Hardware Specs
(or equivalent)
Resolution: 1920x1080
V-Sync: On
Anti-Aliasing: On
Texture Resolution: Normal
Shadow Quality: Normal
Level of Detail: Normal
Interactive Smoke/Fog: Off
Interactive Paper Debris: Off
Enhanced Rain: Off
Enhanced Light Shafts: Off
Expected: 30fps (capped)
The Recommended Spec is intended to deliver an experience on par with the current generation of gaming platforms.
For an optimal experience, users with recommended spec hardware should not set their resolution higher than 1080p.
By default, the game may set Shadow Quality and Level of Detail to High on Recommended Spec hardware. Users should revert these to Normal.
With these settings on Rec Spec AMD GPUs, users can expect some minor texture pops, occasional loading symbols during fast-paced scenarios, and some hitches & stuttering when gliding or driving the Batmobile. To help alleviate this, AMD users using Rec Spec GPUs should turn Texture Resolution, Shadow Quality, and Level of Detail to Low. We continue to work closely with AMD to resolve these issues as soon as possible; make sure you have the most current drivers and check back here for updates on when the next driver version is available.
Additional Recommendations
We do not recommend that users change anything in the games .ini files as this will potentially negatively impact performance, including frame rate, and stability.
At this time we do not recommend using NVIDIAs GeForce Experience or AMDs Gaming Evolved Optimization tools.
Were currently working on improving streaming performance from mechanical hard drives (HDD). Addressing this is one of our top short-term priorities.
For users that have an SSD available, weve noted increased streaming performance when the game is installed to that type of drive.
Once again, wed like to stress the importance of having the latest drivers from your graphics card manufacturer. Staying up to date could potentially alleviate many performance issues, and will improve your game experience.
- NVIDIA GeForce users should use GeForce GameReady WHQL Driver version 353.30
- AMD users should use Catalyst 15.6 beta driver
Crossfire on AMD is currently not supported. This is to be addressed in a future driver update from AMD.
Eyefinity (multi-monitor) on AMD is currently not fully supported. This is to be addressed in a future driver update from AMD.
When running Nvidia SLI, using the NVIDIA Control Panel to set one card as a dedicated PhysX card may improve performance.
Players should not disable and/or edit the size of their page file. Windows manages this automatically, and leaving this at the default settings will provide an optimal experience when playing Arkham Knight. We strongly recommend that users avoid making edits to this.
The benchmark tool seems to be pulling numbers from the ether, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Angel Abaddon
Member
Nah, nothing to suspect, now that XBone controllers are PC compatible games are starting to filter though using the new prompts, I think Watch_Dog was the first I noticed it in but may be misremembering, but was definitely in ACU and the Witcher 3 and probably others I'm forgetting now.
kenjigreat
Banned
I woke up in the morning thinking I was I was going to play something glorious on my 4k screen and SLI setup . Boy was I WRONG.