thequickandthedead
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How does this game perform so wildly different for people with similar setups? Especially with a 970.
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Batman AK PC Perf Thread of DARKNESS, NO SETTINGS [30fps cap / intro removal in OP]
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It was quickly corrected to 4gb though.
I haven't been able to find anything substantiating that, feel free to bring forth evidence if you can.
We can agree on that, but I don't think a 980 will cut it for the target you're talking about even when the game goes back on sale. Maybe you overestimate how powerful a 970/980 are. It's not difficult to hit the limits of those GPUs when you want very high settings and 60fps on top of that, maybe limitations of different nature are to blame as well (API).
Basically I would not expect my 980 to "max out" any current game at 1080p/60fps, that's way too high of an expectation if you ask me.
New to PC gaming I presume. That's how it has always been, each setups differs from one another.
thequickandthedead
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Are benchmarks pointless unless you have the exact same setup used then?
Because the game uses VRAM inefficiently and the 970 (with its 3.5GB + 512MB) is on the brink of being okay or prone to extreme hitching and stutter depending on settings, how long you've been playing, and how your game decides to allocate its resources on a specific play-through. When I first posted in this thread I was getting basically no stutter with everything maxed out (sans fog/paper) at 1080p. Yesterday I started getting a bit of stuttering. I decided to lower textures to Normal (they look the exact same in this game, I think High are just quickly done up-scales or something) and along with the .ini tweak from the steam forums that changes the behavior of texture streaming (apparently, I'm not sure if it helped) it's back to normal for me now. I can still set up High textures again but I have a feeling it'll introduce stutter somewhere down the line. Also, a quirk I've noticed, if you toggle settings in-game (like High/Medium texture/shadow quality) it's almost like the game doesn't clean up the preset you're not using anymore in memory. I once switched Textures from Medium to High and it ended up as a slideshow that wouldn't stop even after switching back and only after I restarted the game did it stop. I've also noticed that VRAM usage increases the longer you play and never goes down. Almost like a memory leak. So I'd imagine at some point it becomes a problem for the 970 there as well.
But the curveball is that my brother's 2GB 750 TI with textures/shadows to medium holds 30 at 1080p and he gets no stuttering at all as of the latest patch. His game is also running off of a regular HDD. It's really weird because on the steam forums people are having stuttering issues on their 4GB 960's. I have no clue why this is the case but perhaps the game is more aggressive with higher VRAM cards in how it utilizes resources.
This game is still broken, obviously.
That's mostly correct.
The purpose of a benchmark is not so much to tell you how X game runs on Y hardware.....But to compare GPUs/CPUs. And usually benchmark sites don't explicitly tell you which part of the game has been measured, you could end up with wildly different numbers if you were to benchmark a different scene.
Benchmark are never to be taken at face value, never.
dr_rus
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The flagship here would be triple SLI Titan X I think. But it's pointless. Console mentality cannot be broken.
Apparently not. Which is all kinds of baffling because the last nvidia driver said it supports SLI.
Pjsprojects
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Grr 62% in on main story and it's started crashing a lot.
Back once again to my 21% story X1 version.
When is the full patch due out and will it be worth bothering??
Back once again to my 21% story X1 version.
When is the full patch due out and will it be worth bothering??
We don't know. What kind of crash did you run into, and what are your specs ?
For all you know the problem might be on your end.
I just wanted to correct this. My brother has a 4GB version which apparently exists. >.> I'm pretty sure you can't run Medium textures on a 2GB card without hitching. 2.5-3GB is probably around the minimum required for that.
Edit: As an update I OC'd my 970's memory and gpu clock as much as I could without raising the voltage. I'm not getting any stuttering at all anymore, even with High textures on my 970. Afterburner reports the full 4GB of VRAM being used (as opposed to <3.3GB using medium textures) but I'm not noticing any pop-in and no hitching is occurring. Solid 60 with dips to low 40's/high 30's in the most extreme cases during driving/high-altitude gliding. Usually just sticks to 60 like 85-90% of the time and 55-60 about 5-10% percent of the time, though. Only rain on in gameworks, everything else maxed. The OC gave me 5 extra average FPS on the in-game benchmark (performance increase of about 5%) and I feel like the memory clock boost in particular helped a lot with managing textures as I would get occasional hitching using High textures before.
Game runs pretty great with adaptive v-sync all things considered.
Pjsprojects
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It's the only game that crashes on me. I get hard locks and have to hold the power button to reset the pc.
Fx8350
R9-290X
8GB ram
Win 10
Playing Mad max instead for a while...
Well I'll chalk that up to the game still not being in a "shippable" state. Never got hard locks in 45 hours of playtime though, at worst the game simply crashed and that was a while ago.
Garrett Hawke
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https://steamdb.info/app/208650/
You can check their updates here
Doubt it though, why would they stop patching it without putting the game back up for sale?
matrixman92
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I just upgraded to windows 10 from 7. Just for shits I decided to boot up the game for the first time in a while. At the main menu it started chugging extremely badly when batmans face comes on screen and says press here to start. It then crashed and gave me a huge error report. That does not bode well lol
Garrett Hawke
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So I upgraded to a 970 today (re-installed divers and everything) and yeah, still seems like anything like a smooth 1080/60 is off the table. I have an i5 4590, 8GB RAM and a 970. Running off a HDD, not SSD. Mess.
Holy shit, I'm getting like 30fps gliding around. Settings mostly on normal, no interactive smoke but all other Gameworks stuff on. Jesus.
Holy shit, I'm getting like 30fps gliding around. Settings mostly on normal, no interactive smoke but all other Gameworks stuff on. Jesus.
That's weird, are you playing at 1440p ? Maybe this game really benefits from an I7.
SmartWaffles
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That is definitely not normal, my slightly OCed 970 can maintain 50+fps gliding and in batmobile, pretty much locked 60 on foot, everything else maxed out with gameworks off.
Garrett Hawke
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Nope :/ 1080p. No clue what's up.
Wtf... I'm testing it out now on TW3 and Unity (I just installed the card today) and I'm getting 1080/60 on TW3. About to test Unity.
Are you sure you have set your game correctly, especially textures ?
High texture settings is too much for a 970 (3.5gb of VRAM).
Garrett Hawke
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Definitely normal :/ gimme two secs, I'll get a screenshot.
Garrett Hawke
Member
What is this game even
plagiarize
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most people with single cards are disabling all the Nvidia gameworks stuff. Unless you still have a semi decent card to leave in the system and dedicate to PhysX, that stuff is probably going to be out of reach for a single card.
Garrett Hawke
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Alright, I'm rebooting with it off.
There are less dips now, but still hovering at 45fps~ while on the streets.
SmartWaffles
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My settings, yes I'm using high textures on a 970 and it runs on HDD not SSD:
I'm getting fairly stable 55+fps while gliding, in batmobile it drops to low 50s but still not that bad.
I'm getting fairly stable 55+fps while gliding, in batmobile it drops to low 50s but still not that bad.
Garrett Hawke
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Hm. Not sure what's up. I've uninstalled MSI afterburner just in case that was messing with it, rebooting my PC now. If it's still weird I'm just going to re-install drivers (again).My settings, yes I'm using high textures on a 970 and it runs on HDD not SSD:
I'm getting fairly stable 55+fps while gliding, in batmobile it drops to low 50s but still not that bad.
Is there a program to check where the bottleneck is?
jfoul
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I decided to quit waiting and played through the game. I noticed some hitching once in awhile from going in and out of buildings, but overall pretty smooth. I was also getting some pop-in while flying around the city at far distances.
Resolution: 1920x1080 (Fullscreen)
Graphics Options: All On/Max
Nvidia Options: All On except Fog
OS: Win10
CPU: i7 4770K @4.4
GPU: GTX980 Reference @ Stock
MEM: 16GB @ 2133
HDD: 3TB Seagate 7200 RPM
Resolution: 1920x1080 (Fullscreen)
Graphics Options: All On/Max
Nvidia Options: All On except Fog
OS: Win10
CPU: i7 4770K @4.4
GPU: GTX980 Reference @ Stock
MEM: 16GB @ 2133
HDD: 3TB Seagate 7200 RPM
SmartWaffles
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dr_rus
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Try moving all files from the <path-to-game>\BMGame\Config\ folder to some temp folder (just in case something will break and you'll have to move them back) and let the game reconfigure itself from scratch.
Seems like you can buy the game again on GreenManGaming:
http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/us/en/pc/games/action/batman-arkham-knight-na/
http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/us/en/pc/games/action/batman-arkham-knight-na/
Thanks. I just picked it up and I'll probably play it once it goes back up for sale and is "done," just in case.
I'm running a 970 at 1080p with an old card for PhysX with all the nvidia stuff on. It's not perfect, but it's playable. I get pretty close to 60 in most street level and combat stuff, expect for driving which drops to the 45 range. Flying around it's pretty close to 60 with some drops to 45-50. I'm about 75% done. It could still use improvement, and I have an occasional crash, but it's at least at the point where I can chug through it. However, most people won't have a card for PhysX, and I have AA low, and blur and some other effects lower.
Good thinking because as it stands it's visually complete (and stable from my experience, no textures bug or whatever) but performance is not good for everyone and that's not always on the user's end.
No Crossfire/SLI support either, and no DLCs. Batman AK has been updated quite regularly with new features on consoles but nothing on PC yet, no photo mode, no character selection in VR challenges.
Eh for 16 bucks it doens't have to be that great. I liked the other Arkham games, I'm sure this will be close enough to enjoy for a good guilty pleasure playthrough.
Affeinvasion
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I just got a hilarious but frustrating bug last night. As I was facing a boss with those big tank drones I got down to one plus the boss when the game glitches out like crazy. The boss showed up and got captured by batman without me doing anything. It all took place about an inch above the ocean with an untextured pillar in the middle of the screen. It reloaded with the villain in the batmobile ready for transport. This happen to anyone else?
Garrett Hawke
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So after re-installing Windows I'm still getting awful stuttering and regular dips to the mid 30s on a 970. There must be something wrong with something in my computer, I just can't tell what. Might be my HDD, it's only 5400rpm.
Does GPU-Z report something abnormal ?
Your HDD could perhaps be the cause, this game puts a lot of stress on the disk. I know this game made my SSD purchase worth it.
Garrett Hawke
Member
I'm running HWINFO now to see if I can spot anything. Edit: okay, my CPU is running at like 90 degrees C. What could be causing that?
HWINFO is not sufficient, install GPU-Z and pay attention to your bus speed. Maybe something's not right there.
Regarding your CPU yeah 90°C is not normal, to give you a reference point my 4770K @ 3.5ghz very rarely hits 60°C even when heavily stressed. It's possible there is a program hogging your processor, what's running in your background ? See and try to isolate what shouldn't run with a game. In the worst case it might even be a trojan/virus.
Garrett Hawke
Member
It never did this before, I've no idea what's wrong. Now I'm 90% sure the CPU is the issue. According to GPU Z and HW INFO it's the only thing out of the ordinary. I've never ever seen it hit 90 before.
Do a virus/malware scan, worth a shot. I don't see what could cause this aside from that, if you are running the usual amount of background programs and your CPU was not stressed then something new must be the cause.
Your CPU heatsink is clean, right ? Properly seated too ? Thermal paste well applied ?
Garrett Hawke
Member
It's definitely my CPU, thank you so much for helping me with this. I just used HW INFO and kept an eye on stuff and my CPU tempswas climbing higher and higher. When the CPU was still in the 60 range I was getting 1080/60 with no stutter. Ugh.
Ok, my thermal paste seems dried out and I think the CPU fan came loose when I took everything out of the case the other day. Fuck.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Finally got it working! 
I re-aligned the heat sink and CPU Fan and everything seems good now. Getting pretty much solid 1080/60 on Normal textures with everything else on High, and Enhanced Rain + Lighting. The occasional dip and stutter in Batmobile but they're like split second hitches as opposed to noticeable breaks.
Aaaaaah.
I re-aligned the heat sink and CPU Fan and everything seems good now. Getting pretty much solid 1080/60 on Normal textures with everything else on High, and Enhanced Rain + Lighting. The occasional dip and stutter in Batmobile but they're like split second hitches as opposed to noticeable breaks.Aaaaaah.
Finally got it working!
Aaaaaah.
Have you put new thermal paste as well ? You mentioned the old one as being dried out. 90° alcohol + tissue to wipe the CPU clean then a pea of high quality thermal paste, let the heatsink's weight spread the paste. Then screw your CPU in a cross fashion to avoid putting more pressure on one part of the CPU.