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Bayonetta 2 Review Thread - Metacritic: one billion-hit combo, buy it kids
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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It's telling when even the "negatives" can either be spun into positives or made up for.
It shows how dam good the core game seems to be.
Just did my part.
What the? PS3 Last of Us is at #5? Or maybe it's both versions combined?
I am indifferent towards Bayonetta 2 and to Polygon - but it's pretty clear to me that Polygon's criticism's are valid.
I've been watching people play Bayo 2 in the office and the camera often basically flies up the main character's butthole. It's a game I'd be uncomfortable playing around my wife.
If it doesn't bother you, that's 100% okay. But that means it also needs to be okay if it DOES bother someone else. You can't only preach tolerance when you want people to tolerate your viewpoint.
It's fine if someone doesn't like the same thing as you.
I've been watching people play Bayo 2 in the office and the camera often basically flies up the main character's butthole. It's a game I'd be uncomfortable playing around my wife.
If it doesn't bother you, that's 100% okay. But that means it also needs to be okay if it DOES bother someone else. You can't only preach tolerance when you want people to tolerate your viewpoint.
It's fine if someone doesn't like the same thing as you.
Maybe the feeling of a divide between professionals and fans will be evermore potent at the end of the year with this stuff.
I had no trouble playing Bayonetta in front of my wife. But I would never in a million years play a game as revolting as GTA V in front of her.
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The value proposition of Bayonetta 2 seems far higher than that of Last of Us, I'm surprised it reviewed that highly to be honest. Though I guess this release really sets the bar.
Certain people don't like having that stuff in their game and there's nothing wrong with that. To me, it's similar to someone knocking off a couple of points because they find the characters obnoxious. I'm one of those people. For example, I've never understood people that keep very revealing wallpaper/posters. It's fine for people to like that, but don't say it's wrong for other people to not want that stuff shoved into their face.
PS3 version is on sale for $19.99. Was previously 34.99 from what I remember.
One doesn't rule out the other.
In a different non-comparable example, Dead Rising was the first really next-gen game of the previous generation, but the first true classic of that generation was Gears of War or whatever (I hate GoW, but I can't deny it was an important game and well-received at it's release).
ratcliffja
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Same here. My wife actually thinks Bayonetta is really cool. GTA V is absolutely disgusting.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
You'll never see Bayonetta getting blamed for real life crimes.
I personally think games are used as a scapegoat but when it comes down to it, a female in tight pants is a lot less harmful than a game where you can kill anyone in.
Neither game affects me or phases me but the free pass one gets boggles the mind when the lesser controversial game's "issues" get brought up.
Aren't you also killing stuff in Bayonetta as well?
ArchedThunder
Banned
They haven't said, Miyamoto said he was thinking about going episodic.
Zeyphersan
Banned
With Bayonetta 2 and the Master Chief Collection coming out this year, it's the year of the HD re-release value
Hopefully the trend keeps going
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Ohhhh okay, no I was saying I had just been planning on buying the game
TheSlySoul
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It is really such a shame Dead Rising HD for PS4/XO is not a thing yet. I really want to replay the game but do not want to buy another Xbox.
ninjablade
Banned
pretty much the game is way bloodier then GTAV.
The only crime Bayonetta commits is that it's maybe too good!
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yes, unrealistic creatures that are way over the top in a fantasy world.
Though maybe there are a few human-like antagonists but yeah...
I see a big difference in what is being portrayed between the two games.
Same here. My fiance likes sexual and strong female characters. She dislikes srs gritty games.
I think it's important to be able to realize that when the game does the fanservice shots it's done very intentionally so. Personally I don't see how anyone can find them titillating, in fact I feel like they're empowering, but whatever.
The humans you are killing in GTA are also unlikeable caricatures. The enemies in Bayonetta have human characterstics too. I don't really see the difference.
James Scott
Banned
I think the quote meant the game would take the format of a TV show ("In this week's episode of Star Fox: Universe...") but as a boxed package (like an entire season/several episodes as a full package)
The problem is with docking the score. Imagine if movie proceeds correlated almost entirely to movie review scores. Now imagine that a fairly prominent movie critic admitted that he subtracted from the score because the movie shoed breasts, although it was otherwise the Terminator 2 of action movies.
I talked about it with Capcom's PR rep about a week ago in regards to a possible PC port.
He says it frequently crops up in discussions, but gets pushed back as they need to guarantee a profit. They also generally use outside teams for these type of ports rather than take up internal development resources which increases the cost and depends heavily on availability.
He sounded optimistic about it as that is his favorite game in the series as well, but at the same time Capcom has a lot on their plate right now and Dead Rising 1 isn't exactly going to move millions of units at this point.
lyrick
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Those are goofy hourly rankings, it's best to ignore them.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014-10/videogames/#4
Bayonetta 2 is currently #63 for the month of October
If the reviewer found it very unappealing and thought it detracted from the whole movie, that would be fine.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
It's not...at all.
One evokes realism, that's its intent(even if it's exaggerated), one does not.
Canis lupus
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Why does it seem higher? TLOU deserves every 10/10 it got, I'd argue it needed to score even higher on aggregate sites.
Fatalmephisto
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I love how this game is getting alot of amazing reviews but I'm more worried on how this game will sell in NA. I already did my part so I'm good but I just don't want to see every single media outlet ragging down on Nintendo for this game not selling well 
Zeyphersan
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Value proposition is higher because it also includes the definitive Bayonetta 1 for free*
*In North America
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Wait what, MK8 is the highest selling retail game of 2014 according, to that and by a good margin rankings wise. amazon.om rankings are weird in general.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I love how this game is getting alot of amazing reviews but I'm more worried on how this game will sell in NA. I already did my part so I'm good but I just don't want to see every single media outlet ragging down on Nintendo for this game not selling well
It will sell fantastically...compared to Platinum's other excellent Wii U game :[
Fatalmephisto
Member
I hope your right.
Inferno313
Banned
I think that list only counts one sku. So MK8 on WiiU may have sold more than GTA V on Xbox 360 on Amazon. But if you were to take GTA V PS3 + 360 or Destiny 360 + PS3 + XBO+PS4, or other big multiplats, they'd probably blow MK8 away. Still, that's damn impressive for a game on such a undersold console.
Well judging by the respective demos and my impressions with TW101 Bayonetta 2 seems like it'll be the much better game, so it deserves to sell better than TW101 (imo of course)
TheGameChanger
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Why? The game was fairly long and a masterpiece. It also had an amazing multiplayer which I play all the time.
QuantumZebra
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Yea I mean one of the main aspects of this game is Bayonetta being pretty much the most sexy dominatrix bad ass witch (doesn't anyone get the sexy/nudity = witch thing ffs?!) you could possibly imagine. They just turned it to 11 for the sequel. Who would bitch about that?
It seems you've put the game well up on a pedestal, rendering meaningful discussion on this matter difficult, but what kind of value did Last of Us on PS4 add exactly? It seems that the majority of the content was previously available on the PS3 version.
Compare that to the WiiU version which adds Bayonetta 1, new multiplayer modes, and a ton of unlockables. Bayonetta 2's value proposition is insane.
Yes, but the majority, if not all, of that content was available previously on the PS3 version, which I own already.
To put it simply, when you purchase The Last of Us PS4, you just get The Last of Us in HD. When you purchase Bayonetta 2, you get the definitive version of Bayonetta 1, Bayonetta 2, new costume content for both games, new multiplayer content, and more.
I'm not trying to diminish your favorite game or cause a console war here, as I own neither console, just find it silly to compare the two from a shear level of value.
Fatalmephisto
Member
Platinum Games just proves that not ever game has to be a AAA title in order to score high from critic sites.
Angels and Demons, not cops and innocent bystanders.
Because TLOU remastered is a scaled up remake of one game and it's major side content whilst still including (admittingly inconsequential) Microtransactions.
Bayonetta 2 is 2 full sized games; one redone and remastered to a higher degree of polish and proficiency, plus additional content at no extra costs whatsoever.
There is more inherent gain from the two Bayonetta games in content then the single one in TLOU. It's not a knock on the game; it's the fact behind it.
And please don't try to claim TLOU deserves more lauding and accolades then it was already handed...
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I'm guessing it won't top The Wonderful 101 for me but just like that game, it looks like Platinum put every part of their being into this one as well.
Either they want to impress people or themselves but they just don't phone anything in from what I have played of their stable of games.
To be fair the bystanders are made as hateable caricatures, but I get your point. At the same time, that doesn't mean violence is any better or worse than over-sexualization.
iamaustrian
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you can't be serious
How can you compare GTA enemies with Bayonetta enemies and not see a difference??
come on now
TetraGenesis
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That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie. That's the wrong Ellie.
James Scott
Banned
The Wonderful 101 was one of my favorite games of last year. It was so disheartening to see it get mixed reviews undoubtedly hurting the game's sales even further, but I'm glad critics enjoyed Bayonetta 2 more. Hope a lot of people get to enjoy this game.
(Also, please don't bring up TLOU in these review threads. It usually doesn't go well)
(Also, please don't bring up TLOU in these review threads. It usually doesn't go well)
Yeah from what I've played of TW101 it's pretty clear it was made with lots of love, but the zoomed out camera and some of the design concepts just aren't fun to me.
Had more fun in the 10min Bayonetta 2 demo than in the ~5 hrs I tried to have fun with TW101. Game just didn't click.
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