Bonus Round: Dissecting The Microsoft Press Conference

Hahaha, posts like this are hilarious.

You laugh but I've seen Disney wine & dine bloggers to come down and put a postive spin on a new ride or show that fans online have already responded negativelly towards to try and influence word of mouth. Companies like that pay an obscene amount of money to get people on social networking sites, blogs, and smalltime sites on board with their message.

No reason at all to think Microsoft wouldn't do the same.
 
You laugh but I've seen Disney wine & dine bloggers to come down and put a postive spin on a new ride or show that fans online have already responded negativelly towards to try and influence word of mouth. Companies like that pay an obscene amount of money to get people on social networking sites, blogs, and smalltime sites on board with their message.

No reason at all to think Microsoft wouldn't do the same.

The problem is branding anyone who doesn't criticize it into the ground a potential recipient of this kind of payoff.
 
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I usually like to see these Bonus Round to be honest but this one I just had to close the video, the guy on the right with the hair on fire talking "Oh I see your shoulders and I raise you with blah blah blah" and "I've been a Xbox fanboy since day UNO..." I mean...

It's difficult to make a point if you have trouble choosing words to match a more serious conversation. I'm not a native English speaker so it is expected that my english will not be the best but... I don't know.
 
Garnett is mistaking. the xbox will use a cable stream and network to interact with the tv. its not just an overlay. You can already do a ot of that with your tablet now,

...it fires IR beams at your TV to emulate your TV remote after you set up all the inputs.
 
The problem is branding anyone who doesn't criticize it into the ground a potential recipient of this kind of payoff.

I know and unfortunately some people will get accused or caught in the crossfire. I myself defend the X1 sometimes but usually you can tell if the person really believes that or if they have been bought.

I mean saying things like "I've been wanting to run all my devices through xbox since the original came out and i'm so glad Microsoft finally did that" is just weird
 
I know and unfortunately some people will get accused or caught in the crossfire. I myself defend the X1 sometimes but usually you can tell if the person really believes that or if they have been bought.

Usually you can tell? Really? I think it's a useless accusation without some kind of direct evidence. Either you agree with an opinion or you disagree and can explain why you think they're wrong. Saying "also, they got paid off to say that!!!!" adds precisely nothing to any conversation.

It's hard not to when 99% of the people defending it are doing it with so many buzzwords they read like viral marketers.

I think people just re-use words. It's also easier to have a conversation if people refer to things consistently.
 
One little tidbit from Geoff that might be a big clue is he said "From what I've been hearing Sony will have something similar, the pubs won't let them not have no drm"... I'm paraphrasing. Geoff is one of the most keyed in dudes in the industry so that's a major clue. P.S. Andrea Rene is super hot,, my goodness.
 
Well, alex did bring up one interesting thing that I didn't think about. You wont need to change the input to use dvr functionality since it is a stream of the cable box. You will still need the cable remote for such things, so kinect wont be much use there, but it wasn't as bad as I was thinking.
 
He said "ive been hearing that playstation is going to have something similar."


It's no secret that Sony has a used game limitation system as well that's basically RFID. The question is whether they will implement it. A week ago I would have said yes. Now... I don't think they will. In fact i'm fairly certain of it.

very interesting.

Jesus the GT video player is the worst. It has always been terrible, yet they managed to make it worse in a latest redesign.

seriously, what are they doing over there. why not just give the option to turn the video HD like every single other video player out there?

Do you think publishers will be happy with Sony if they aren't getting a part of every game sale whether new or used? If they don't implement something, anything, they could be on the outside looking in as publishers clamor for the guaranteed money for every disc always from the Microsoft side.

publishers will follow the consumers. See if Sony allows used games and MS doesn't, but Sony has more people buying their system, publishers will want in with Sony.
 
Why would anyone give a shit what this dude thinks or says? Jeezus.
It doesn't work that way. He is the dudebro MASTER, always was. Always was invited for being that. Thought he was a director at one point after leaving digg. Used his internet fame to make his wife a popstar.

Well, on the last one he might have failed.

(I'm not stalker, I swear! ;) )

90% of talkshow producing is knowing who you should invite.
 
I still think they're going to walk that back. 24 might have been their internal timeout, but everything they've spoken about is a truly always-online system. They may just double down on the always-online nature of the box.

True. Always online is always online, 24 hours doesn't change that (even though people try to argue otherwise, it's just schematics)
 
One little tidbit from Geoff that might be a big clue is he said "From what I've been hearing Sony will have something similar, the pubs won't let them not have no drm"... I'm paraphrasing. Geoff is one of the most keyed in dudes in the industry so that's a major clue.

Here it comes. Looking like we may all be up the same shit creek if we want one of these new consoles. The Wii U may end up being an attractive option once it has some games.
 
Exactly.

But I think people are overblowing that this is pressure from outside publishers. Im sure they want it... but the reason these things were ever investigated in the first place was because it would make Sony and MS more money. Not because they wanted to please their partners. That's just a nice bit of gravy on top.



Honestly though, I don't think either are going to happen. Im fairly certain that Sony has dropped their plans based on a few folks I've talked to. And even though I don't really like microsoft... they aren't stupid... they have plenty of time to roll this back. They already have been if you compare how restrictive the policy sounded on day one and what it sounds like now (with the inclusion of "we will have more to say later"). Basically the outrage is making everyone take another look at these things and see if its worthwhile. And I know a lot of people around here think that publishers are strong arming them into this... but as I explained above, they aren't, these are initiatives by sony and MS to make money for Sony and MS. If they feel like the consumer outrage will cut into their profits more than used games will... used games will be just like they were last gen. And that's what I expect to ultimately happen.

And this flies in the face all of the people saying "CALM DOWN, WAIT FOR E3!!!" The lesson here is not to calm down, it's too tell these companies you don't like what they are doing. Which means take off your fanboy hat for a second and join in letting whatever company you have a preference for know you aren't happy. If everyone was quiet after the MS reveal I can guarantee that both companies would be full steam ahead with restrictive policies. Hell, they would possibly be making them more restrictive.

And because it seems like the DRM will be completely software they are able to change their plans.
 
One little tidbit from Geoff that might be a big clue is he said "From what I've been hearing Sony will have something similar, the pubs won't let them not have no drm"... I'm paraphrasing. Geoff is one of the most keyed in dudes in the industry so that's a major clue. P.S. Andrea Rene is super hot,, my goodness.

Yeah, that was.... kind of worrying.
 
Wow there were some serious MS tools in there...that was a bit sad to watch actually.Does the guy on the right wants to convince us that the people who were disappointed with Sony by not showing their bloody console design is the same with this fucking PR disaster?
Was it really a bonus to him and the woman that they showed this ugly thing?

And seriously Keighley is starting to sound like a broken record with all this "but hey it's only software" crap whenever something negative comes up.Guess what Geoff just because it's software it doesn't means that publishers are suddenly going to change their policies for their consumer's benefits.For what it's worth it's a biggest possibility to go the other way around and screw them even harder without even asking them once they have locked them good enough with a subscription or an investment in digital games content.
 
True. Always online is always online, 24 hours doesn't change that (even though people try to argue otherwise, it's just schematics)

Well, 24-hour is only a problem if you can't use an internet connection where it's set up. Always requiring a connection adds additional problems on top of that, like if your internet is down, or Live is down, even for a short period.
 
One little tidbit from Geoff that might be a big clue is he said "From what I've been hearing Sony will have something similar, the pubs won't let them not have no drm"... I'm paraphrasing. Geoff is one of the most keyed in dudes in the industry so that's a major clue. P.S. Andrea Rene is super hot,, my goodness.

It's probably the thing a lot of of people feared.

Sony is leaving it up to the publisher to decide whether to do it or not, unlike MS who seems to be forcing it.

And we all know what EA, Activision and the rest will do.
 
And because it seems like the DRM will be completely software they are able to change their plans.
So let me guess... Just buy the system and the new licenses wait for them to do. They ought to. Sometime. You waited so admirably..

He's a tactical genius! They will never expect us not to attack! Dudebro...
 
Wow there were some serious MS tools in there...that was a bit sad to watch actually.Does the guy on the right wants to convince us that the people who were disappointed with Sony by not showing their bloody console design is the same with this fucking PR disaster?
Was it really a bonus to him and the woman that they showed this ugly thing?

And seriously Keighley is starting to sound like a broken record with all this "but hey it's only software" crap whenever something negative comes up.Guess what Geoff just because it's software it doesn't means that publishers are suddenly going to change their policies for their consumer's benefits.For what it's worth it's a biggest possibility to go the other way around and screw them even harder without even asking them once they have locked them good enough with a subscription or an investment in digital games content.

You accuse him of repeating it too often and then demonstrate you don't actually understand the point he's making. He doesn't argue that it being software justifies any particular drm scheme, but that it being software lends credence to the claim that much of this has yet to be decided.
 
Well, 24-hour is only a problem if you can't use an internet connection where it's set up. Always requiring a connection adds additional problems on top of that, like if your internet is down, or Live is down, even for a short period.

If you have your system powered off a few days, decide to play a game and Live or you ISP is having issues, you can't play anything

that's a big anti-consumer problem
 
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