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Breaking: Israel launches Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza
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You can argue how much the resistance got them, it certainly didn't get everything they wanted, but it's not over yet.
It's inarguable that not resisting got them nothing, they tried it for 20 years.
Finkelstein is the man.
How can there be a different pov than that Israel is killing this people, that is beyond reasoning to me. This whole conflict is based on the idea that Hamas killed those 3 teenagers. Where is your proof that they actually did? I couldnt give a shit what the UK and USA think, you think those are still objective in this conflict? The USA funds the Israeli military how are they not going to stand behind israel.
hukasmokincaterpillar
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Precisely. Where is the onus in this equation?
I never asserted that Hamas killed the 3 teens. You should care what the US and the UK think, since both have veto powers, and UN sanctions are probably the only thing (and that is questionable too) that may stop Israel. The US is also the biggest single donor to the Palestinian people.
RustyNails
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Love him, but I must say I disagree with his position on BDS (along with Chomsky's) from what I've read about it. But then I haven't researched much on BDS to fully form an opinion yet.
bigboss370
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It's Fox News. I'm surprised they didn't show footage from Iraq.
Let's see how the Israel treat the west bank
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=870812252948951&set=vb.146922555337928&type=2&theater
There is no context to that video. It is just a few scenes of Israel soliders shoving civilians around with a violin musical score in the background.
Edit: And tear gas and rubber bullets. What is the background to the encounter?
I hate people who throw around 1984 for easy comparisons, but this is really is like something out of that. More likely born from idiocy though.
RustyNails
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It's like something out of District 9.
bigboss370
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When 9/11 happened there were people around the world cheering at the death and destruction that we had just faced. There are dickheads on both sides of the battle.
Animals.
dripdripsplash
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Doesn't make it one inch better.
Most of your negation of Israel criticism is "Well someone else does it too"
A worthless whataboutism argument.
Some Palestine and journalist trying to protest against something... and foreigner.
I would rather see the clip myself than believe a random internet person's description.
Edit: that second pic is fucking disgusting, though.
That image has been posted at least twice in this thread and it has not contributed to the discussion at all. I would be equally opposed if it was a photo of some Palestinians cheering an Israeli death.
I don't know if anything occurred leading upto the encounter that would trigger a response with tear gas and rubber bullets, but taking that video at face value there is no need to tear gas or fire bullets at a peaceful demonstration/protest. It is wrong.
Inspectah Deck
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These Israelis are fucked up. And America needs to stop giving those animals money for their military.
It's not the first time... u remember the american girl who die trying to stop bulldozer and other let me search for them.....
I definitely agree that any violent response to a non-violent act is despicable and disgusting, and those who are responsible should be punished by law.
RustyNails
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Rachel Corrie.
bigboss370
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qizah
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That doesn't justify what Israeli's are doing watching rocket blasts on Gaza.
That imagine being posted in the thread is important, the more awareness about what's going on in that part of the region the better. So yes, it absolutely does contribute to this thread.
Why have I not seen this on TV anywhere...?
OverBlood 3
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You can tell you take joy in people fucking up innocent people's lives. Good going.
There are people on either side of the battle that wish death to the other, they are extremists. It's not like that image represents all Israeli's, in the same that Hamas does not represent all Palestinians. So again what does that image contribute to this discussion?
OverBlood 3
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I didn't know rockets are powered by electricity?
So those 70,000 that are now without electricity aren't innocent people?
I'm surprised I have to spell this out for you. When the rockets stop, Israel will repair the power lines. You know, since Israel supplies Gaza with gas and power, for free.
And of course many are innocent, but not all of them.
It is very possible as the Palestinian areas have been advancing economically and is believed to be one of the ways to cool tensions between Israel and Palestine. It is true that Israel's control over the areas is slowing the economic progress (mainly Gaza), but it is still growing at a good rate despite that.
Also it is not like economic cooperation between the two have been all that great until recently and things involving Hamas and the Israeli-Arabic wars tend outshine this possibility.
Bold isn't true, if Israel really didn't care, we would of had much more civilian casualties.
This is reality and unfortunately in the real world, might of a group or country still makes them "right" only because the weaker can't do anything about it.The U.N was created to end this, but it is a paper tiger, with all countries willing to veto according to their own interest. Taking sanctions over force. Sure sanctions hurt, but we seen many countries be able to resist sanctions for a long period of time.
Hamas do have every right to distrust and dislike Israel, but it doesn't mean they have the right to fire rockets into Israel.
As I said, the reason I believe Palestinians should be the ones to focus on this is because Israel already have the upper hand, so violence will not work. Economic cooperation can and have worked in the past to ease past tensions between groups and countries. Money rules, the companies that invest and get strong will make sure to put their voice in. This is the only way I see attitudes changing for the better of Palestine.
phalestine
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Whats so funny?
OverBlood 3
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Yet 'lol' anyway right? In moments like this it pays to have a little bit of tact when many innocent people are being fucked over by the actions of a few. I just don't see how Hamas taking out people's power is 'hamas doing something right'.
Why am I bothering, on the ignore list you go.
jakonovski
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Why would you say something this insiduous? You make it sound as if forcibly occupying a territory and isolating its population, right down to denying them the capability of fending for themselves, is some kind of a humantarian thing to do.
Shame on you.
Gaza isn't occupied. The Israelis withdrew unilaterally from Gaza in 2005 and dismantled all Jewish settlements.
The only thing that achieved was Hamas taking power shortly after and a dramatic increase in rocket attacks.
Basically confirming to Israel that they have no reason to make unilateral concessions without Palestinian assurances.
Ask him how many hour dose the electricity keep going in Gaza ....
phalestine
aka iby.h
Its occupied. Israeli withdrew settlements, but its still occupied.
A better comparison would be that the Palestinians gave out candy when those 3 Israeli teens were kidnapped.
"lol" at you assuming everyone effected is innocent. Though, you probably think those firing the rockets are innocent themselves, so I don't know why I bother.
Gaza is not occupied territory.
Perhaps they would be more "generous" if not for the constant terrorism.
Can you explain how?
phalestine
aka iby.h
??? Isreal retains control over air space and coastline. Its occupied.
JordanN
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No.
Again, Palestinians tried to wipe out Israel in 1948. Did Israel say "yeah, we're gonna leave the Middle East"? Nope. They stayed, and defended their independence.
Israel's survival depends on never losing a war. If they lose to Hamas, this opens up other terror groups to invade them.
That's the blockade. Maybe I'm not too clear on the terminology, but does that constitute a full-blown military occupation? The term 'occupied' makes one think of post-WW2 Allied Occupation of Japan or something.
The problem with these screen caps are the segments normally have a title that stays up for a whole segment and different videos and photos are shown as they narrate. While it certainly could be true, a still like this proves nothing without seeing the video and hearing the audio.
Notice how you only ever see the cherry-picked screencaps and never the actual video.
Context is exactly what they don't want you to see.
jakonovski
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Kinda like New York in Escape From NY isn't occupied, just completely cut off and 100% at the mercy of the definitely not occupying force. This is another one of those insidious things to say. You ignore real world effects on real world people to score semantic points.
Shame on you too.
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