phalestine
aka iby.h
This was awesome, thanks for sharing.
Watch the link above (starting at the 8 minute mark).
Its occupied, dont kid yourself.
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Breaking: Israel launches Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza
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This was awesome, thanks for sharing.
Watch the link above (starting at the 8 minute mark).
Its occupied, dont kid yourself.
Circle Jerk
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Boy it's almost as it that terrorism is enhanced from the horrific actions taken against a large portion of the population! But no, they should be okay with lax electricity, democratic rights being infringed upon, and having their land constantly stolen from people who literally despise them. Maybe then one day they can have electricity in the slums Israel has left them in the middle of a desert!
but i guess "lol" at you looking at an horrific situation and immediately trying to make as many justifications as humanly possible for it
That isn't the definition of "occupied"... That is the definition of blockaded. Unless there are Israeli troops inside Gaza, enforcing their will on the population, it isn't an occupation.
EDIT: pff, that is lawyers and politics for you. This goes based on one's interpretation of this. I can see how someone would like to call it an occupation, due to the scale of control the blockade has on the population affected by it.
Circle Jerk
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yea i mean fox news is clearly having fair and balanced coverage of this situation, i mean they're often the voice of reason, as well as fairly and accurately explaining a situation and both sides
they obviously have no history of doing this
I recognize the blockade, I just wasn't clear on the terminology. No need to get so emotional.
Worst thing you could accuse me of recognizing the logic behind it.
How is taking what a random screencap says at face value just because it fits your preconceived biases any more reasonable... ?
And before you assume more things: I probably despise Fox News just as much as you do.
phalestine
aka iby.h
The UN general assembly and security council consider it a occupied territory.
1.2. Law of occupation
I see, well then carry on
Gaza is occupied, I shall agree. I guess the terminology can be stretched to mean Gaza is occupied, considering the degree Israel have control over it.
bigboss370
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By Friday morning, 100 Palestinians had died as a result of Israeli military action, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry, with hundreds more wounded.
To date, there have been zero reports of Israeli deaths due to Palestinian rocket fire...
well, here's an actual video of abc doing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-m4PlW-KgI
but hey, "you" only ever see cherry-picked screencaps...
To date, there have been zero reports of Israeli deaths due to Palestinian rocket fire...
well, here's an actual video of abc doing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-m4PlW-KgI
but hey, "you" only ever see cherry-picked screencaps...
I was aware of that. That's the exception. Most of the time it is cherry-picked screencaps. We've yet to see a video of the incident in question.
He is wrong. Double tapping and attacking hospitals are also considered crimes on humanity, so both are committing crimes on humanity.
bigboss370
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JordanN
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I know this is going to be quoted a lot but this doesn't excuse the Palestinian attacks.
Israel keeps their civilians and military separate. Israeli civilians aren't being unnecessarily thrown into the conflict. It shouldn't shock you, you'll never see the same number of deaths.
It tells you there's a problem with how Hamas fights and that it leads to more casualties.
The ABC instance there was a video. Thus ABC was correctly criticized and retracted it.
So show me a video. Simple enough.
An invading force always has that advantage. Even resistance fighters which are considered noble, had that same problem in old wars.
theignoramus
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you're quite the polemicist, arent you?
While some Palestinian's fought in the 48 war, plenty of them either fled or were driven out of their homes by Israel. The 48 war was an armed exchange with the wider Arab world and to claim Palestinians were responsible for it is very false
As is launching rockets from hospitals and civilian centers.
Do you have trouble reading? What do you think "both are committing crimes on humanity. " means? Or do you just want to deny everything bad one side has done because the other side is also doing bad things?
I meant in cases where we are only shown the screencaps and are expected to take what they claim to show at face value.
I am only talking about those vague screencaps that get circulated as 'proof' that the MSM lies.
Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
>Art. 19. The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded.
RustyNails
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I'm done for today. It's NSFL.
bigboss370
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"About 70% of the fatalities were civilians, of which 30% -- 32 people -- were children"
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As the idt who still keep shooting these area....
bigboss370
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Oh god, this is the father who came with the toy, yes?
Man, I already thought in the video that the head was pretty damaged, but this is just ugly. This makes the reaction of the father even worse, since the kid is obviously dead. Shit.
As I just demonstrated, it is within international law. Provided the IDF is warning them beforehand.
QuicheFontaine
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Thank you for not img tagging that link.
u mean shooting hospital and school
Do you have a link to these?
sindbadthesailor
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It helps that some of them are being paid to do so.
Look back a few pages, the hospital and center for disabled have been discussed here.
I'm really trying to hold myself back here while answering this post, because you just infuriate me with your replies. You keep avoiding the fact that Israel has killed all these civilians, you keeping saying it's the fault of Hamas. Are you really that oblivious to what is happening infront of your eyes?
How is Israel suppose to respond to rockets being fired from civilian locations? They are doing more than any other nation, in urban warfare, in history to prevent unnecessary civilian casualties.
If Hamas truly care about Palestinian lives they should end their rocket fire. As right it seems be to: Hamas fire rocket -> Israel responds -> Palestinian death and destruction.
I don't understand what you are saying.
I just cited an excerpt from the Geneva Convention that ostensibly proves that I was correct in what I was saying. Nobody has refuted it, but everybody's acting as if it is self-evident that I was somehow wrong.
Color me unconvinced.
Yea, I think it would be wise for me not to react to your posts anymore.
What he means is that it's illegal under International law to attack Hospitals during war times, a doctor said in a report that this is the 3rd time Israel has attacked them. Do you have any proof that rockets were fired from this hospital?
Question, before I write more.
Why is Hamas firing rockets on Israel?
Great video and rebuttals by Finkelstein. A lot of great insight.
As so many have stated based on logic and the evidence available to us, Israel is not interested in peace, and never has been. Peace is a dangerous concept to them, as it stands to further delegitimise, and pose pressure for Israel to dismantle not only their illegal occupation of Palestine, but their continued aggressive expansion and theft of further Palestinian land.
Gemüsepizza
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What a fucked up logic you have. IDF drops 800 tons of explosives in 48 hours on an area of the size of Detroit. Over 160 people dead. 70+% innocent civilians. Of those, 30% children. IDF's fault? Nope. This is pure evil. There is nothing you can say that justifies the killing of all those innocent people, of all those children.
As in generally? Well it's not anything new, it's one of the very reasons they even came to be in the first place. To resist against the continued illegal brutal occupation of Palestine, and against the continued land steal and illegal expansion of Israeli settlements on Palestinian land.
Israel fired rockets to kill Hamas members in retaliation for the murder of the 3 teenagers. Though would you say that Hamas rocket attacks have been successful? Instead it has resulted in further Israeli strikes which have been devastating.
Edit: Israel say they have evidence of Hamas being involved, but at this point neither side care anymore and are only after blood.
JordanN
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There's never been a conflict where context is as important than the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
It's easy to look at civilians death and say "oh, Israel must be bad. Their number is smaller". It's grade 1 intuition.
But the war Israel fights aren't in the deserts. Or the jungle. Or in some huge isolated wasteland where it's just 2 armies going at each other. No. The battlefield literally takes place in a neighborhood.
Why would it be of shock we're going to see civilians die and Israelis not so much? It's unavoidable unless Hamas does fight professionally and comes out to the open. Other wise, it shouldn't be Israel's fault, that their enemy refuses to face them 1 on 1, with no civilians to act as shields.
GameAddict411
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Its easy for you to say, hamas has no advantage what so ever. They're fighting desperately.
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