He is what he is and he works with what data he has. I don't think it's necessary to compare him to Nate Silver who has a hell of a lot more data at hand to do what he does.
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Canada Poligaf - The Wrath of Harperland
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He is what he is and he works with what data he has. I don't think it's necessary to compare him to Nate Silver who has a hell of a lot more data at hand to do what he does.
I'm curious how the voter turnout percentage compares to past provincial elections in Quebec. Anyone know?
Buba Big Guns
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Pretty unlikely Quebec will be separating any time soon.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/09/04/loonie-dollar-quebec.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/09/04/loonie-dollar-quebec.html
Even if the PQ had a majority of seats, it still was incredibly unlikely that Quebec would be separating any time soon.
Any time soon is at *least* 8 years. And Quebec govt changes every 8 years, more or less. So.....
In 2008, the voter turnout was 57.8%.
Yesterday, it was 74.6%, a huge increase.
Charest has retired from politics.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Jean+Charest+calls+quits+Quebec+Liberal+leader+after+years/7195299/story.html
On a less PQ victory note, it seems Rob Ford may have sunk his own mayoralty, because he didn't read a handbook. Not that I'm angered at the thought mind, you. His only even remotely good idea was greater subway system over metro lines.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/09/05/toronto-mayor-ford-removal-challenge369.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/09/05/toronto-mayor-ford-removal-challenge369.html
Huge increase yes, but 2008 was the outlier at 58%. Historically, the turnout was only average. Yesterday's turnout is only slightly higher than 2003 and 2007 (low-70s) and lower than 1994 and 1998.
If PQ had all seats
If a referendum would take place tomorrow
If 90% of the population would vote yes
It still wouldnt happen "pretty soon".
Making a coutry is no small feat, yo.
What word you live in?
TheRagnCajun
Member
Doesn't Harper have to let them have a referendum?
Nope.
And as Beaulieu said, unless they were pretty much guaranteed to win, there's no way any party will try a referendum to separate. It's tantamount to political suicide to attempt it.
percephone
Neo Member
No any province can have referendums.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
If you're referring to the spat a decade or so ago, that was just a question of Chretien defining a "majority" for that particular question.
(50+1 vs "clear majority").
Ether_Snake
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So it seems the shooter seemed very normal to anyone who knew him, never expressed any political rant, spoke well in French, etc. He was apparently a very "demanding" but good business man with a fishing business and some other similar business, something hunting-related I think. Supposedly was very religious. There is a picture of him in Vegas with Celine Dion, where he assisted to her show as a VIP (anyone can be VIP for $2500 and have their photo taken with her).
So overall no signs that he was crazy, except one person who said he showed maniacal tendencies after retiring, but I haven't seen that corroborated elsewhere.
Must have just gone crazy recently, maybe schizo. I mean compared those pics to the ones of his arrest.
edit: Ok so new details say the guy had mental problems according to a close friend, was seeing a doctor. Also bought $50,000 worth of provisions during the H1N1 scare, and has a couple of military vehicles. Was also apparently very religious, citing apostles. http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle...002-metropolis-richard-bain-comparution.shtml
Also, the weapon may have been a CZ-858, which yes, can be bought legally and would have had to be registered. Another good reason to keep the gun register.
So overall no signs that he was crazy, except one person who said he showed maniacal tendencies after retiring, but I haven't seen that corroborated elsewhere.
Must have just gone crazy recently, maybe schizo. I mean compared those pics to the ones of his arrest.
edit: Ok so new details say the guy had mental problems according to a close friend, was seeing a doctor. Also bought $50,000 worth of provisions during the H1N1 scare, and has a couple of military vehicles. Was also apparently very religious, citing apostles. http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle...002-metropolis-richard-bain-comparution.shtml
Also, the weapon may have been a CZ-858, which yes, can be bought legally and would have had to be registered. Another good reason to keep the gun register.
matthewwhatever
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The Liberals (federal, that is, not the PLQ) have set their leadership convention date: April 14th in Ottawa.
Trudeaumania II?
Trudeaumania II?
Would that come off as anything but a cynical trade off on his name?
Finger pointing has already started over the wacko killer incident. Both sides are starting to put the blame on the other.
You have this rather toxic piece from Conrad Black and you have this piece from the Société Saint Jean Baptiste that blame exlcusively anglophone medias.
Hopefully the hatred dies rather quickly or else we will have another social crisis on the horizon.
You have this rather toxic piece from Conrad Black and you have this piece from the Société Saint Jean Baptiste that blame exlcusively anglophone medias.
Hopefully the hatred dies rather quickly or else we will have another social crisis on the horizon.
Nope.
In other news, the CRTC has investigated the CPC practices regarding their own internal national do not call list and blame them. They ask them to implement some compliance measures.
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2012/lt120906.htm
Guess it was hard to not receive call from the CPC in some areas.
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2012/lt120906.htm
Guess it was hard to not receive call from the CPC in some areas.
Ether_Snake
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The SSJB critique is pretty balanced and fair.
Which is in response to this kind of trash that we had to thrown our way during the whole campaign, and still after it, such as this, which isn't even a "reader comment" but an outright column in the Calgary Herald:
Corbella: Are one-third of Quebec voters bigots?
I expect this shit from right-wing US media, not Canada. Then again I'm not surprised.
... It's the Calgary Herald, dude.
That doesn't mean it's excusable
He's been pulling that kind of shit since the results of the most recent federal election.
He takes the most extreme examples of the right-wing extreme and blows it up to represent the R.O.C. (tm) and then proceeds to mewl about how he doesn't even recognize the R.O.C. (tm) anymore and wants out.
stn
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Hey all,
I'd like to become more politically inclined. I have some basic knowledge (enough to know which party to vote for) but would like to learn more. Are there materials I can read or use? I require a better foundation in order to truly understand current and past political issues. Thanks!
I'd like to become more politically inclined. I have some basic knowledge (enough to know which party to vote for) but would like to learn more. Are there materials I can read or use? I require a better foundation in order to truly understand current and past political issues. Thanks!
ripastraea
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Surprise?
Justin Trudeau to run for Liberal leadership
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/09/26/justin-trudeau-liberal-leadership.html
Justin Trudeau to run for Liberal leadership
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/09/26/justin-trudeau-liberal-leadership.html
I wonder if he'd run had he lost his charity fight against Brazeau.
As stupid as it is, I believe that event made him a 'winner' in alot of minds instead of simply being his father' son.
In other news, that stupid motion 312 or whatever the number was got rejected. Good. But Rona Ambrose voted for it. Not good.
As stupid as it is, I believe that event made him a 'winner' in alot of minds instead of simply being his father' son.
In other news, that stupid motion 312 or whatever the number was got rejected. Good. But Rona Ambrose voted for it. Not good.
If it was the other way around it would be ok though right? Why would so called right wingers call out right wingers?
I don't get it.
Seems that way. I doubt most people in Calgary or even Alberta could care less out the Quebec election. I was born there and have zero interest. I so despise this ROC shit though.. smh.
BladeWorker
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He's been pressured to run for leadership ever since he entered politics. Some Trudeaupians still exist in the party and I guess the kool-aid has lasted a really, really long time.
With only a semi-whipped vote, we have a better idea now of what some of our MPs stand for. Including the Status of Women PS.
Buh? I don't know what you're trying to say here at all.
I wouldn't even call it semi-whipped. Only NDP members were whipped (obviously not even cabinet members were), and I can't imagine someone being in the NDP and being pro-life.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Ambrose voted in favour of re-opening the abortion debate. I have to imagine that was a pander vote. lol
BigJonsson
Member
Oh boy, this could get interesting (but Harper will likely just yell at her in private and make sure she never does anything ever again)
Unless there's a cabinet shuffle, not much is going to happen to her.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Remember when Helena Geurgis was an MP? lol
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, I just wonder why she did it in the first place... unless she wanted to make a bigger point.
lunarworks
Member
As much as he's simply riding his dad's coattails... he's better than all other options.
Name one other "senior" Liberal who's worth a damn.
(The Liberal Party is an "old boys club" at this point, and it needs new blood. Badly.)
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Don't worry, when the Conservatives win yet another majority and the Liberals and the NDP cannibalize each other, they'll finally kill the Liberal party and we can move on with our lives.
Sapiens
Member
Marc Garneau?
That would be awful, only Left and Right parties and no Center party.
I get that paper, I don't read it much but I think I'm going to start looking for her articles, she sounds batshit.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The problem is that the Liberal party brand is dead in Quebec and the West and the Conservatives pretty much own Ontario outside of the GTA and Hamilton.
Besides, I'm not sure we need a choice between Left and Left-of-Centre, because I suppose the argument could be made that you might as well vote Conservative at that point.
lunarworks
Member
Awesome. Two party system. Then we can be just like the states.
Didn't he fly into space or something?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
We can start talking about having more parties when we finally evolve as a country and move past the FPTP voting system.
Aside from him being an astronaut, what are his exact qualifications to actually be a leader of a political party?
I mean seriously there's a reason why the Liberals are imploding. It isn't because of a lack of policies. It isn't because of the corruption scandal. It's because nearly all of their good MPs left politics or have no interest in running.
We'll never get past the FPTP if we don't accept the necessity and value of having more than 2 parties. It's absurd to think that any kind of stable 2 party situation could ever lead to electoral reform.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well, the situation as it stands now means Conservative majorities or minorities for a while unless Mulcair steps up and becomes someone that people can rally behind.
Besides, it's not like we weren't in a defacto two party system for as long as the country has been around anyway.
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