killer rin
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Pretty much this; Shouldn't those records you know, not ever leave the main HQ they are stored at? And even if they we're to be moved, you would think they would have been more secure with them.
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Canada Poligaf - The Wrath of Harperland
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Pretty much this; Shouldn't those records you know, not ever leave the main HQ they are stored at? And even if they we're to be moved, you would think they would have been more secure with them.
BigJonsson
Member
Stephen Harpers Canada
My info better not be in tgere
And can I be banned for harpers canada
?
Wait.... So everyone who had a student loan in those years was on there? Wtf dude
My info better not be in tgere
And can I be banned for harpers canada
?
Wait.... So everyone who had a student loan in those years was on there? Wtf dude
Don't think it was everyone's.
killer rin
Member
It really depends on the size of the HDD and why the info was on the HDD... plus not to mention one persons file likely wouldn't take up more than a couple MB each, and thats assuming it had scans of documentation in it.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Exactly. This isn't a partisan thing, and it's not even a ministerial incompetence thing since this was almost certainly lost by a very apologetic low-level bureaucrat. The astonishing thing is that such an enormous amount of information was (apparently legitimately) copied to an external hard drive.
Apparently, they only found it when they were looking into the loss of another USB key with student records...
matthewwhatever
Member
So the Ontario Liberals are going to elect the province's first female premier, and (barring something shocking) the country's first openly gay premier. That's pretty cool...I'm wondering if Hudak and his people will be able to go from now through an election campaign without saying anything misogynistic or homophobic.
Zombie James
Banned
matthewwhatever
Member
Elect is perhaps not the right word there.
Fine, "pick".
Also: last ever delegated convention? It'll be more democratic without them, but I'm still a little sad to see them go.
BigJonsson
Member
Win with Wynne!
Delegated conventions are way too expensive, I welcome their end
Delegated conventions are way too expensive, I welcome their end
BladeWorker
Member
I was pleased to see Wynne take the reins. She's certainly got the skills to work through a lot of the major issues plaguing the Liberals right now...what remains is if she has the mettle. Best of luck to her.
gutter_trash
Banned
Wynne looks like Barry Goldwater
They passed up an Italian-Canadian woman who would have gotten them more votes... looks like Ontario will go back to the Harris Boys PC
Gerard Kennedy botches up another leadership convention for the 2nd time, 1st by rallying his people to Stephane Dion Federally, and now he did it again with Wynne in Ontario, LOL
Liberals should ban Gerard Kennedy from leadership conventions, he seems to botch them up in the 3rd ballot everytime.
Atleast Quebec is gonna get Doctor Couillard in March hopefully.
BladeWorker
Member
If you're going to prognosticate and lament the fate of the Liberals you should get the names of the players right.
It's Gerard Kennedy.
As for the fates of the Liberals with Wynne vs. Pupatello, we can only guess - but, now that it's over, Pupatello is looking like a sore loser, not a runner-up interested in moving the party forward.
It's Gerard Kennedy.
As for the fates of the Liberals with Wynne vs. Pupatello, we can only guess - but, now that it's over, Pupatello is looking like a sore loser, not a runner-up interested in moving the party forward.
Factionalism is like a way of life with Liberal parties. :/
BladeWorker
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Factionalism knows no political home. It's equal-opportunity jackassery.
Very true. But in the last 20-30 years it seems to have struck center-left parties in NA particularly hard, and in a way that they just never seem to get around and fall behind the 'winner'. MacKay vs. Harper could have been a thing, but if it's a battle that's been raging it's very behind the scenes.
BladeWorker
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I'm hardly a Conservative insider but it seems to me the MacKay/Harper feud - if it still exists - has been backburnered at least since the rise of the NDP (they've got a new common enemy to whack with an unnecessarily large bat), so I agree with you there.
In Ontario, however, it seems that there are two factions within the Ontario PCs - the Hudak/Hillier cadre (small though it may be) and the rest of the caucus, who are by and large more moderate. Still hopping mad about the issues of the day, but moderate in their own politics.
We've also seen the rise of the Wildrose party in Alberta; but, alas, it's harder than they thought to split the right-wing vote in the bluest province in Canada.
Ether_Snake
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BTW remember all those protests in Montreal about tuition fees being raised?
Turns out the Universities falsified documents to make themselves look under-financed. They have in fact huge surpluses.
French:
http://argent.canoe.ca/lca/affaires...01/universites-quebecoises-faux-deficits.html
Google English translation:
http://translate.google.com/transla...01/universites-quebecoises-faux-deficits.html
Sorry for those of you saying Quebec's fees are too low and that we should shut up and pay, turns out we were once again justified in calling bullshit. No surprise fees are lower here.
Basically, while universities were crying about being underfinanced, they were actually taking money and using it to justify the construction of bigger complexes.
With the current ongoing public inquiry on corruption in the construction industry and how the mafia and engineering firms were financing political parties and paying themselves huge sums by inflating contracts by up to 50% over their actual costs for decades, we can imagine why this money was used to build unneeded expansions: kickbacks under the table by the millions of dollars.
Getting robbed left and right, and then we're told we need to raise the retirement age and privatize everything. Such complete bullshit. We have all the money to pay for everything we need as a society, when it doesn't get stolen. Don't let anyone lie to you otherwise.
Turns out the Universities falsified documents to make themselves look under-financed. They have in fact huge surpluses.
French:
http://argent.canoe.ca/lca/affaires...01/universites-quebecoises-faux-deficits.html
Google English translation:
http://translate.google.com/transla...01/universites-quebecoises-faux-deficits.html
Sorry for those of you saying Quebec's fees are too low and that we should shut up and pay, turns out we were once again justified in calling bullshit. No surprise fees are lower here.
Basically, while universities were crying about being underfinanced, they were actually taking money and using it to justify the construction of bigger complexes.
With the current ongoing public inquiry on corruption in the construction industry and how the mafia and engineering firms were financing political parties and paying themselves huge sums by inflating contracts by up to 50% over their actual costs for decades, we can imagine why this money was used to build unneeded expansions: kickbacks under the table by the millions of dollars.
Getting robbed left and right, and then we're told we need to raise the retirement age and privatize everything. Such complete bullshit. We have all the money to pay for everything we need as a society, when it doesn't get stolen. Don't let anyone lie to you otherwise.
BigJonsson
Member
Figured Pupatello would go back to the private sector when she lost, and if she was elected leader and lost an election I'm sure she'd bolt pretty fast anyway
BladeWorker
Member
I gotta be honest, it never ceases to amaze me how frequently a (collective) voting public can, with remarkable accuracy, smell a lack of commitment, even from people who convincingly shout to the rafters how passionate and committed they are to a cause, and who appear genuine at first, second, or even third blush.
BladeWorker
Member
Former CPC Senator Brazeau up on charges of assault and sexual assault.
I'm an endangered species in this country, I actually support an appointed Senate (with some other reforms). But, I will say this: Brazeau's example highlights precisely why the current process by which Senators are vetted and appointed doesn't work.
I'm an endangered species in this country, I actually support an appointed Senate (with some other reforms). But, I will say this: Brazeau's example highlights precisely why the current process by which Senators are vetted and appointed doesn't work.
Fuck was listening to this today. His term ends in 2042 or something strange. He's also being audited from a third party company because of his spending.
I'm also for an appointed senate, but for reforming the appointment process. I think Harper actually did a good job of reworking the appointment process for the GG appointment, so it's disappointing that he's been just as bad about senate appointments as anyone else.
But, really, I'd also be ok with abolition at this point. Just anything but an elected senate. I can't even imagine a bigger disaster.
Now we wait and see just how terrible the 'small part of the legislation and create a new law" will be.
Terra Firma
Banned
They lost mine, as well (I was with OSAP from 2005-2009). I got a letter in the mail but there were no apologies, only an offer for credit protection.
Me too actually, kept meaning to post about it.
BladeWorker
Member
Today in Canadian Politics:
CBC dumps Flanagan from PNP panel because he thinks people who view child porn aren't hurting anyone and therefore shouldn't be put in jail.
From his "apology":
"All who were offended"? Really? As in, you still believe what you said, but you're sorry you had the temerity to articulate it? For at least the second time?
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and offer some unsolicited advice: when you find yourself in a hole, sir, stop digging.
Dipper defects to the BQ after it's clear (really? I thought it had been clear for years) that they won't bend from their most-of-the-time-somewhat-sometimes-federalist ways.
Harper piles on, as he is wont to do.
Kevin Page fires another shot off the bow on Defence spending
Really, this is not the sort of news that the Harper government needs after its widely successful (and sort-of-lauded) procurement effort on shipbuilding contracts. Or after they were proven wrong, again and again, on the costs of the F-35.
Justin Trudeau is slowly but surely turning into everyone's favourite punching bag.
The guy's pretty much doing it to himself, but it's hard to 100% endorse the "Liberals are securing their own demise" with media pot-shots like:
To me, there's a difference between calling a spade a spade - surely, JT's campaign is among the most bereft of policy ideas I've seen in awhile - and knocking the guy in such a way as to get your opinion piece trending on twitter.
CBC dumps Flanagan from PNP panel because he thinks people who view child porn aren't hurting anyone and therefore shouldn't be put in jail.
From his "apology":
"All who were offended"? Really? As in, you still believe what you said, but you're sorry you had the temerity to articulate it? For at least the second time?
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and offer some unsolicited advice: when you find yourself in a hole, sir, stop digging.
Dipper defects to the BQ after it's clear (really? I thought it had been clear for years) that they won't bend from their most-of-the-time-somewhat-sometimes-federalist ways.
Harper piles on, as he is wont to do.
Kevin Page fires another shot off the bow on Defence spending
Really, this is not the sort of news that the Harper government needs after its widely successful (and sort-of-lauded) procurement effort on shipbuilding contracts. Or after they were proven wrong, again and again, on the costs of the F-35.
Justin Trudeau is slowly but surely turning into everyone's favourite punching bag.
The guy's pretty much doing it to himself, but it's hard to 100% endorse the "Liberals are securing their own demise" with media pot-shots like:
To me, there's a difference between calling a spade a spade - surely, JT's campaign is among the most bereft of policy ideas I've seen in awhile - and knocking the guy in such a way as to get your opinion piece trending on twitter.
Ether_Snake
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Harper is doing the US' bidding in splitting Canada so it can more easily be led to sign off deals that favor the US, and that means fucking up Eastern Canada until it wants out.
Gotta get that Canadian oil!
Gotta get that Canadian oil!
crazy monkey
Banned
AECL is going GOCO. First of its kind i think in canada.
I am of the opinion that if you cross the floor/switch parties while parliament is sitting, your riding should have an automatic bi-election to make sure the electorate approves.
matthewwhatever
Member
Meh, policies and ideas are is overrated. The Liberals got destroyed in two successive elections even though they arguably had more fleshed-out policies than anyone else (with Dion's Green Shift and Iggy's...smorgasbord). The NDP rode to Official Opposition on Smiling Jack Layton and generic stuff about everyday Canadians and kitchen tables. The Conservatives have won through a combination of policies they knew were terrible, but could be sold easily (i.e. the GST cut) and scare-mongering (though a Conservative partisan would probably call it them projecting a comforting image during uncertain times, or something along those lines). Looking back to the most recent Liberal dynasty under Chretien, they won with Red Books I, II and III -- and I challenge you to name one big idea from any of them.
Obviously, Trudeau has an image of being a bit of a lightweight, and there's no doubt that that'll be the cornerstone of Conservative and NDP attacks against him. But 1) as I said, policy isn't nearly important to voters as some people pretend it is, and 2) I think they'll end up lowering the bar for him so that when he is able to stand up to Harper/Mulcair in debates with a little bit of policy (not to mention a healthy dose of charisma -- which he undeniably possesses; whether you're a fan or not is a different story) people will just be impressed that he's not reduced to tears by hard questions.
The CPC won't attack him as a lightweight in the election. They'll attack him as being a soft leftist from Quebec who'll raise your taxes to legalize pot to scare suburban moms and dads.
The CPC's machine doesn't work on telling people the opponent is undefined, it works by defining them before they can define themselves.
The CPC's machine doesn't work on telling people the opponent is undefined, it works by defining them before they can define themselves.
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It's not about policies being irrelevant, it's about how policies are presented really. Any asshole can say hope and change, but where the challenge, and where success is found is in telling the electorate what kind of change they should hope for. For Harper it could be the Child Tax Benefit, income splitting, lowering corporate taxes, or for Layton it could be about cutting HST on home heating (rather regressive), making usage base billing illegal, or stealing ideas from Dryden. Ultimately they worked not only to shit on their opponents like they did to Dion's income tax cut (fools should have framed it that way rather than as a carbon tax) but to also tell people of their inane reductionist bullshit of policies.
Trudeau has liberal intellectuals like phD phycist Ted Hsu, economist John Mccallum, and international journalist Alex Trudeau on side precisely because they know he doesn't carry any substance to actually back claims of change on. They're hedging their bets, they know that neither Marc nor Martha- who's fighting on solid ground with Justin with her unexpectedly stunning groundgame- need any additional intellectual backing, they know that the best bet is to back one of the three likely winners to ensure that whomever wins isn't a fucking idiot.
Incidentally, while I'm personally supportive of Marc and his (amazing) twitter, Justin's policy forum is surprisingly cool.
LiberalInsiders™
It's not about policies being irrelevant, it's about how policies are presented really. Any asshole can say hope and change, but where the challenge, and where success is found is in telling the electorate what kind of change they should hope for. For Harper it could be the Child Tax Benefit, income splitting, lowering corporate taxes, or for Layton it could be about cutting HST on home heating (rather regressive), making usage base billing illegal, or stealing ideas from Dryden. Ultimately they worked not only to shit on their opponents like they did to Dion's income tax cut (fools should have framed it that way rather than as a carbon tax) but to also tell people of their inane reductionist bullshit of policies.
Trudeau has liberal intellectuals like phD phycist Ted Hsu, economist John Mccallum, and international journalist Alex Trudeau on side precisely because they know he doesn't carry any substance to actually back claims of change on. They're hedging their bets, they know that neither Marc nor Martha- who's fighting on solid ground with Justin with her unexpectedly stunning groundgame- need any additional intellectual backing, they know that the best bet is to back one of the three likely winners to ensure that whomever wins isn't a fucking idiot.
Incidentally, while I'm personally supportive of Marc and his (amazing) twitter, Justin's policy forum is surprisingly cool.
LiberalInsiders™
matthewwhatever
Member
Here's what Jason Kenney said about Trudeau just a few weeks ago: "Not in touch"...."a guy who has zero executive experience, zero governing experience and zero record of putting forward substantive ideas"..."I dont remember him saying a single serious thing about growth and job creation."
I don't disagree that they try to define people before the person has a chance to define himself...I just think that they've already started telegraphing how they're doing it with Trudeau, and I can't imagine they'd pursue the route you're suggesting based on that.
The only alternative route I can see them taking is a page from the Karl Rove playbook, and attacking Trudeau's perceived strengths. Even then, though, it still goes back to him being too inexperienced and lightweight (see: how the GOP tried to define Obama).
I don't disagree that they try to define people before the person has a chance to define himself...I just think that they've already started telegraphing how they're doing it with Trudeau, and I can't imagine they'd pursue the route you're suggesting based on that.
The only alternative route I can see them taking is a page from the Karl Rove playbook, and attacking Trudeau's perceived strengths. Even then, though, it still goes back to him being too inexperienced and lightweight (see: how the GOP tried to define Obama).
Jason Kenney should not be throwing stones in the glass house of Substantive Ideas.
Look how well that worked on Obama. If the CPC are even half the political operators they've been given credit for, they know that "idealistic newcomer" is not a workable strategy in the wake of Obama's Hope campaign.
They're half-assing it right now because they think Trudeau is their best hope. Because so much of what *already defines him* is poison to what they perceive as their key constituencies (and I don't mean inexperience, I mean the fact that he's a Trudeau). And yet he will divide the NDP vote even so. They may bring up inexperience in the general, but it won't be their main thrust.
Primaries don't work on the same principle as elections.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I just heard about the NDP MP defecting to the Bloc. I have to believe that this is a sign of things starting to normalize and that Quebec support for the NDP is starting to soften. I hope Mulcair has a plan to make big gains in Ontario or the West, because if he loses Quebec we're doomed for another Harper majority.
IIRC, Trudeau mentioned something about greater foreign direct investment like last month. They're going to take the whole "inexperienced" route, but whether or not it works is ultimately up to whether or not we as a party can at least quadruple the size of our electorate database, and consequently increase our fundraising capacity by 2-3x.
They're half-assing it because our database is 10% the size of theirs with no fulltime staff and with 30-50% of their fundraising capacity.
BladeWorker
Member
Reduce the deficit and get rid of the GST. There, I named two.
But that's not your point, and I don't disagree, entirely: in modern politics, you rarely *win* with policy. But you will lose without it. Example: 2006 election, where Martin and crew sat on their laurels and ended up playing catch-up with Harper and the Conservatives, who started and marched to Ottawa with a "policy-a-day" campaign.
If the Sponsorship Scandal was going to kill the Liberals anyway, they would have lost the poll game the moment the writ dropped. But they didn't, they lost it after Dec. 21, when Canadians saw that Harper still had policies to announce, and Martin had little to respond with save for his record - which, as finance minister was laudable; as PM, not so much.
Well yeah, they're not exhausting their attacks now especially after they got punked by Rae who as far as I can tell from ex-staff friends never really planned on running. But their campaign engine is running, aided by the luxury of having a thinktank like Manning help work on training tory politicos, something Broadbent Inst is looking to move into. Elections now... never really end.
Dem surpluses.
Agreed, you don't need a dissertation but boiling policy down into simple terms for the electorate is necessary imo.
No, they never end, but the writ is still where the prime material goes.
Anyways, either way I'm of the opinion that they see Trudeau winning the leadership as the best possible outcome and that any resistance they put up to it right now is just token and to play to the base.
No one in the running has any chance of pulling NDP seats into splits that favour the CPC as much as Trudeau. It's possible that they miscalculate one way or the other (leading to a minority liberal or minority ndp government, or even a minority conservative), and I frankly hope that they are, but it's a moderate risk for an extremely high gain. But it does require that they go after both him and Mulcair hard once the election is upon us.
Anyways, either way I'm of the opinion that they see Trudeau winning the leadership as the best possible outcome and that any resistance they put up to it right now is just token and to play to the base.
No one in the running has any chance of pulling NDP seats into splits that favour the CPC as much as Trudeau. It's possible that they miscalculate one way or the other (leading to a minority liberal or minority ndp government, or even a minority conservative), and I frankly hope that they are, but it's a moderate risk for an extremely high gain. But it does require that they go after both him and Mulcair hard once the election is upon us.
Neither us nor the NDP are particularly likely to win government in 2015, unlikely in 2017, with a slight chance for 2019. Both of us are outgunned in every way, shape, and form by the tories. Justin, Marc, Martha, Mulcair, nor anyone else will change this. A big part of the problem is that the tories are the only ones with a really national organization. Yes, they're weak in Quebec, but not to same degree of rot that our grit "organizations" have in swaths of the country. As for the NDP, it faces a similar problem as the GPC in that it's not necessarily the same... party in one part of the country as the other.
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