MasterCornholio
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Answer is simple.
Its a nice console that plays games.
That's all that consumers want.
Circana (NPD) July 2023: #1 Remnant II, #6 Pikmin 4; PS5 #1 Units + Revenue, Switch #2 Units + Revenue
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Answer is simple.
Its a nice console that plays games.
That's all that consumers want.
In Europe you could pick-up Slim bundles ranging from 199-249 pretty much since launch (eg. in Germany there was a Star Wars bundle with a BR, Game, and PS4 for 229), as early as Oct 2016.
The point is - they had the elasticity built into the SKU - I wouldn't be surprised if Slim could have sold under 199 had there been a need - but they just never really needed it to.
Woopah
Member
Because as platform holders they get subscription revenue and a cut from every software and microtransaction sale.
And that's a lot of revenue.
Luminoth-4545
Member
The entirety of last years NPD, although we only have Switch's yearly number.
2022 Monthly Sales (NPD)
2022 Yearly sales (NPD)
2022 Monthly Sales (NPD)
| PS5 | XBS | |
|---|---|---|
| Jan | 369k | 307k |
| Feb | 128k | 261k |
| Mar | 282k | 489k |
| Apr | 234k | 267k |
| May | 119k | 177k |
| Jun | 277k | 260k |
| Jul | 301k | 247k |
| Aug | 341k | 251k |
| Sep | 494k | 288k |
| Oct | 456k | 261k |
| Nov | 1328k | 730k |
| Dec | 1331k | 942k |
| TOTAL | 5660k | 4480k |
2022 Yearly sales (NPD)
| 2022 | LTD | |
|---|---|---|
| NSW | 5.830.000 | 39.410.000 |
| PS5 | 5.660.000 | 11.900.000 |
| XBS | 4.480.000 | 9.700.000 |
| PS4 | 50.000 | 34.760.000 |
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Whenever Europe is brought up I can't get my head around which countries they talk about. Is it Europe proper, geographically speaking (yes it includes Russia as well), is it Europe without UK, is it EU, is it EU+UK, is it EU without some EU countries, is it EU that belong to the euro economic sphere etc etc?
Woopah
Member
So it looks like Switch could outsell Wii and 360, but not PS2 or DS correct?
It'll be Europe geographically (thought maybe not including Russia any more).
I think that since the Apple v. Epic started, MS is hoping that the governments force the platform holders to open up their consoles. They won't lose much but getting your store to all the Playstations and Nintendo consoles will be great for them. Now it doesn't matter how many consoles you sell since you are present there anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if they've talked about it with some of their Washington State senator lackeys.
Yeah that would make the most sense and be the most convenient.
Luminoth-4545
Member
I don't have the exact final numbers but it is something like this (below), Switch will outsell them all apart from the NDS.
WII: 41.5 million
XB360: 44 million
PS2: 46.5 million
NDS: 52.5 million
NSW: 39.4 million as of 31 Dec 2022
Approximately 2.2 million in 2023 as of 31 July, Approximately 41.6 million so far
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
What do you mean "talk to playstation gamers"? Clearly the games are selling. The consoles are selling. The marketing exists. Earlier this year once they finally got the stock issues sorted out PS5 ads were everywhere, on TV, outdoors, etc. Everytime there's a UEFA game here in europe PS5 logo is everywhere plus ads for certain games. I always see ads for PS games when they come out as well. Spider-Man 2 releases in october and the marketing campaign has started a while ago as well.
What a weird post. And if you mention "but they left E3" i'm sorry...this isn't 2005. These shows are clearly irrelevant. Look at Xbox showcase in June. So much for that 1000% sales increase for Series consoles. Once the charts came out for the month there was nothing new for that console.
Spider-Man 2 had its first trailer in 2021. First gameplay trailer this year. I agree this year is kind of weird for PS5 games, but we also know they had some delays for next fiscal year. Most companies only reveal their titles way closer to theur releases than a few years ago. This isn't a Sony thing.
Consoles don't sell on "auto-pilot". Tell that to the Wii U after the Wii success or Xbox One after 360. Or PS3 after PS1 / PS2.
If Sony wasn't releasing a product appealing to an audience it wouldn't sell. Period.
If anything it shows Jim Ryan and Sony clearly know what they are doing. Add to all this the fact they are smart as hell with marketing deals to the biggest games: Fifa, COD, Fortnite, Hogwarts Legacy, the Avatar game that's coming, the exclusives FFXVI and Rebirth, etc...there's a lot of 3rd party games and IPs tied to PS brand because of deals like this. This isn't just about their studios.
MasterCornholio
Member
It might not be appealing to
DenchDeckard
but he bought one anyways just like I did. Hur dur hur dur
Bing bong
Woopah
Member
Sony regularly hold SoP, have had a full showcase already this year and have announced several games that are publishing, including:
- Spiderman 2
- Helldivers 2
- Rise of the Ronin
- Death Stranding 2
- Wolverine
- Concord
- Fairgame$
- Marathon (not Sony published but Sony owned).
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So that means this year in America we have
PS5: 67.5%
Xbox Series: 32.5%
I just can't wrap my mind around how Microsoft screwed up so bad in America. I understand why they slipped in the EU and never sell in Asia. But America bro.........wth? That's more than a 2-to-1 advantage and it's before the PS5 "slim", price cut on the PS5, price increase of the Xbox Series consoles, and Spiderman.
NickFire
Member
It's the
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
"Supply issues"
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Playstation had a closer relationship with PS gamers before Jim took over. Yes, it's selling great because the system is great (thanks to Mark Cerny and to the Sony engineers) and the games have been really good. But Sony seems to hate even telling us when a SoP is coming. They wait until like 2 days before the event to even let us know it's coming.
Sony used to give us a longer ramp-up. And during that wait, we'd get hyped. We barely have hype trains anymore.
And to people like me, I still care about a good showcase. I think they do matter, but ONLY if you have the content to sell to people. It can't be a good showcase with nothing to sell months later.
they are failing harder than xone, which is quite a feat. (not to mention while burning magnitudes more money)
as much as i hate seris s, cant imagine the bloodbath they would find themselves in without it.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I also believe Series consoles are about to fall behind Xbox One sales launch aligned worldwide...if they haven't already., right?
zeldaring
Banned
I'm not surprised. The xbox one being 50% weaker then ps4 and focusing on kinect was a massive blow to the brand. I was 360 owner and switched to playstation right after the announced specs and then after switching sony killed that gen with the much better exclusives.
Woopah
Member
They might fall even more behind in the US unless Starfield is impactful. Xbox One did really well in the 2nd half of 2016 (outselling the PS4).
Luminoth-4545
Member
Because XBS got outsold by Switch in revenue it has to be around 2/3 or less of what Switch sold in units assuming $310 for the average Switch purchase and $450 for the average XBS purchase.
Luminoth-4545
Member
I posted this on another thread but i'll post here as well
Playstation 4
2013: 2.00 million
2014: 4.68 million
2015: 5.72 million
2016: 5.10 million
2017: 5.42 million
2018: 5.29 million
2019: 3.83 million
2020: 2.07 million
2021: 0.60 million
2022: 0.05 million
Total: 34.76 million
Xbox One
2013: 1.82 million
2014: 4.37 million
2015: 4.93 million
2016: 4.73 million
2017: 4.28 million
2018: 4.36 million
2019: 3.04 million
2020: 1.46 million
2021: 0.01 million
Total: 29.00 million
Nintendo Switch
2017: 4.87 million
2018: 5.64 million
2019: 6.48 million
2020: 8.98 million
2021: 7.61 million
2022: 5.83 million
Total: 39.41 million
Playstation 5
2020: 1.96 million
2021: 4.28 million
2022: 5.66 million
Total: 11.90 million
Xbox Series
2020: 1.49 million
2021: 3.73 million
2022: 4.48 million
Total: 9.70 million
Credit to Astral_lion02 from InstallBase who has access to CESA 2023 white paper that has yearly NPD data from 2012 to 2022, he has very kindly shared the data
Playstation 4
2013: 2.00 million
2014: 4.68 million
2015: 5.72 million
2016: 5.10 million
2017: 5.42 million
2018: 5.29 million
2019: 3.83 million
2020: 2.07 million
2021: 0.60 million
2022: 0.05 million
Total: 34.76 million
Xbox One
2013: 1.82 million
2014: 4.37 million
2015: 4.93 million
2016: 4.73 million
2017: 4.28 million
2018: 4.36 million
2019: 3.04 million
2020: 1.46 million
2021: 0.01 million
Total: 29.00 million
Nintendo Switch
2017: 4.87 million
2018: 5.64 million
2019: 6.48 million
2020: 8.98 million
2021: 7.61 million
2022: 5.83 million
Total: 39.41 million
Playstation 5
2020: 1.96 million
2021: 4.28 million
2022: 5.66 million
Total: 11.90 million
Xbox Series
2020: 1.49 million
2021: 3.73 million
2022: 4.48 million
Total: 9.70 million
Credit to Astral_lion02 from InstallBase who has access to CESA 2023 white paper that has yearly NPD data from 2012 to 2022, he has very kindly shared the data
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ByWatterson
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Just had a marathon three-hour session in Age of Empires 2 and can confirm Xbox is still totally worth it.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Man I got that game a few days ago but with that fucking heatwave I can't ply it right now ...I can barely do anything right now, I hate summer.
Azurro
Banned
Yup, it's the best single player FF in the last 10 years, it deserves to keep on selling.
Wii is a bit higher (than 41.5M), 360 a bit lower (than 44.0M) and DS a bit higher (than 52.5M).
NSW has a good chance to become the second best selling console of all time in US.
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Luminoth-4545
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The only missing year for 360, Wii, DS and some others is 2011, Welfare from InstallBase is going to post a thread on NPD 2011 data next week because he has the numbers. So next week we will have the exact lifetime for many platforms.
Luminoth-4545
Member
Switch hardware revenue up 27% across April, May and June.
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yazenov
Member
Yeah, I love the more mature story and themes.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
With Spider-Man in the mix, nope! It won't be.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
In the grand scheme, showcases are largely irrelevant. The market determines that and Sony clearly knows what they're doing.Playstation had a closer relationship with PS gamers before Jim took over. Yes, it's selling great because the system is great (thanks to Mark Cerny and to the Sony engineers) and the games have been really good. But Sony seems to hate even telling us when a SoP is coming. They wait until like 2 days before the event to even let us know it's coming.
Sony used to give us a longer ramp-up. And during that wait, we'd get hyped. We barely have hype trains anymore.
And to people like me, I still care about a good showcase. I think they do matter, but ONLY if you have the content to sell to people. It can't be a good showcase with nothing to sell months later.
You might want more, but that's a personal thing. As far as the market is concerned, PlayStation is on the right track!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You're not wrong. But it's also something a bean counter would say. There's a reason why Apple, Nintendo, Tesla, Nvidia, etc still do large showcases. It's not irrelevant. Not at all. But it's also not all about the money. It's to capture and hold onto the total mindshare.
A great leader doesn't do things just because the market says it's okay or not. A leader leads! Does things that benefit the company that most can't understand at times
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
In the larger scheme to this industry, it will not make any substantial difference. Clearly Sony recognizes this.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm not disagreeing with you. Technically you are right. Money wise they wouldn't lose anything not having showcases. But they are losing something intangible if they keep going in this direction. I don't want Playstation to become a soul-less division within Sony that just pumps out products and asks us to CONSUME, CONSUME, CONSUME!!!!
Have some life, some personality! It's okay Jim Ryan.
PlayStation Experience used to be fun and it meant something.
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HeWhoWalks
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They know what they're doing, so my concern isn't with them.
Woopah
Member
From what I can tell, in-person events have not fully recovered from COVID yet (at least not in the UK.I'm not disagreeing with you. Technically you are right. Money wise they wouldn't lose anything not having showcases. But they are losing something intangible if they keep going in this direction. I don't want Playstation to become a soul-less division within Sony that just pumps out products and asks us to CONSUME, CONSUME, CONSUME!!!!
Have some life, some personality! It's okay Jim Ryan.
PlayStation Experience used to be fun and it meant something.
In terms of online stuff Sony has had multiple State of Plays, and also an annual Showcase this year.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Maybe Covid is still affecting things. So I'll give you that. But Gamescom for instance. Where's Jim Ryan? Where's Playstation? Where's anybody that represents Sony? This is stupid!!!
Phil is out here doing interviews, kissing babies, and signing checks and Jim Ryan is sleep in his basement. For god's sake Sony actually had a decent week, yet NO ONE from Playstation is there to walk us through their thinking. They had.....
- Two new Playstation headsets that were officially shown to the world
- The Playstation Portal that has now been super officially released PR wise to the world
- The purchase of one of the best headphone makers on Earth now being totally under Sony's arm
Yet NO ONE seems to want to talk about any of this to us gamers? Why? Is Jim lazy? Or does he realize that Xbox is so weak, he doesn't have to try anymore?
Woopah
Member
The fact that you know all this Playstation news shows that they are communicating no?
I do applaud the amount of interviews Phil Spencer does but its not the norm. Jim Ryan isn't going to do an interview for each accessory or acquisition, just like Furukawa isn't.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yeah to me Phil is doing a bit too much when you compare what they have going on. But Jim could do better. Or better yet, how about hire someone else to be the face of Playstation Execs, if Jim isn't comfortable? I feel like if you are going to roll out marketing for PS Portal and the new PS Link headphones, somebody needs to be speaking directly to us PS Gamers about it.
I think Sony is doing more news worthy activities than MS, which is better. Having big interviews is not a requirement for the executive. As long as Sony keep giving new news every couple of week that is more important and have far reaching impact.
Luminoth-4545
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X360
2005: 0.61 million
2006: 3.90 million
2007: 4.62 million
2008: 4.77 million
2009: 4.74 million
2010: 6.76 million
2011: 7.28 million
2012: 5.30 million
2013: 3.07 million
2014: 1.33 million
2015: 0.57 million
2016: 0.25 million
2017: 0.02 million
Total: 43.22 million
PS3
2006: 0.69 million
2007: 2.56 million
2008: 3.54 million
2009: 4.33 million
2010: 4.33 million
2011: 4.52 million
2012: 3.41 million
2013: 2.18 million
2014: 0.75 million
2015: 0.36 million
2016: 0.19 million
2017: 0.01 million
Total: 26.87 million
Wii
2006: 1.08 million
2007: 6.29 million
2008: 10.17 million
2009: 9.59 million
2010: 7.07 million
2011: 4.53 million
2012: 1.96 million
2013: 0.81 million
2014: 0.24 million
2015: 0.04 million
Total: 41.78 million
NDS
2004: 1.23 million
2005: 2.58 million
2006: 5.32 million
2007: 8.43 million
2008: 9.95 million
2009: 11.19 million
2010: 8.58 million
2011: 3.84 million
2012: 1.98 million
2013: 0.52 million
2014: 0.10 million
Total: 53.52 million
PSP
2005: 3.63 million
2006: 3.05 million
2007: 3.82 million
2008: 3.83 million
2009: 2.49 million
2010: 1.66 million
2011: 1.21 million
2012: 0.24 million
2013: 0.13 million
2014: 0.02 million
Total: 20.08 million
I got the full yearly totals for X360, PS3, Wii, DS and PSP, i have every NPD year going back to 1994. Before 1994 we have analyst estimates, i will post the full data in a chart soon going back as far as the NES and Master system.
2005: 0.61 million
2006: 3.90 million
2007: 4.62 million
2008: 4.77 million
2009: 4.74 million
2010: 6.76 million
2011: 7.28 million
2012: 5.30 million
2013: 3.07 million
2014: 1.33 million
2015: 0.57 million
2016: 0.25 million
2017: 0.02 million
Total: 43.22 million
PS3
2006: 0.69 million
2007: 2.56 million
2008: 3.54 million
2009: 4.33 million
2010: 4.33 million
2011: 4.52 million
2012: 3.41 million
2013: 2.18 million
2014: 0.75 million
2015: 0.36 million
2016: 0.19 million
2017: 0.01 million
Total: 26.87 million
Wii
2006: 1.08 million
2007: 6.29 million
2008: 10.17 million
2009: 9.59 million
2010: 7.07 million
2011: 4.53 million
2012: 1.96 million
2013: 0.81 million
2014: 0.24 million
2015: 0.04 million
Total: 41.78 million
NDS
2004: 1.23 million
2005: 2.58 million
2006: 5.32 million
2007: 8.43 million
2008: 9.95 million
2009: 11.19 million
2010: 8.58 million
2011: 3.84 million
2012: 1.98 million
2013: 0.52 million
2014: 0.10 million
Total: 53.52 million
PSP
2005: 3.63 million
2006: 3.05 million
2007: 3.82 million
2008: 3.83 million
2009: 2.49 million
2010: 1.66 million
2011: 1.21 million
2012: 0.24 million
2013: 0.13 million
2014: 0.02 million
Total: 20.08 million
I got the full yearly totals for X360, PS3, Wii, DS and PSP, i have every NPD year going back to 1994. Before 1994 we have analyst estimates, i will post the full data in a chart soon going back as far as the NES and Master system.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Crazy that years 5, 6, and 7 were so good for the X360 for Xbox in America.
Woopah
Member
I don't think it's about being comfortable, Jim already spoke to gamers about these accessories at the annual Showcase.
To the bolded, why? Why does an executive need to do a media interview about accessories? That normally doesn't happen.
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phant0m
Member
Gamers mad about those top 5 for the month, right? I believe they've all been described as "shit" either here, on reddir, or the other place.
- Remnant II is a shit game (see OT for reasons, such as "poor build diversity", not doing enough to expand from the prior title, etc)
- Diablo IV is a shit game of MTX hell, too repetitive, nothing to do after 100 hours
- MW2 is a shit game, campaign is bad, new Warzone map sucks and you gotta buy the battlepass to unlock anything good
- Hogwarts is a shit game, too easy, lame combat plus Rowling makes money off it
- FF XVI is a shit game, not turn-based and no control over party
these opinions belong to gaf, era, and reddit and are not my own
Woopah
Member
All games have people that don't like them. That's normal.
phant0m
Member
Yeah, but there's a difference between something being "not for you" and being objectively bad, which is the part most people forget.
All of these games had multiple people in the OTs deride them as being "shit" video games
Woopah
Member
Is there any game which doesn't have multiple people saying they are shit?
phant0m
Member
Seems like people can't stop cumming over ToTK. Also MP Remaster. Baldur's Gate 3?