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Digital Foundry: Why Can't Destiny 2 Run at 60fps on PS4 Pro?
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Vince DiCola
Member
Absolutely!
Fess
Member
Oh I know about that, I'm just a bit surprised that MS says that different framerates is such a big issue all of a sudden... while it's never an issue on PC.
My take on this. It's just PR. It sounds bad to say that even the new upgraded console can't handle 60fps so they say that it's because having different framerates would be bad for multiplayer instead.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Call of duty manages it so that's bullshit
Article was placed to appease us geek ass bastards
Well, I guess it depends on how you want to define prioritization. You could define it as mandating adherence to an industry minimum standard, which they've done here, or striving to go above and beyond the minimum standard by devoting extra resources to an aspect you deem to be particularly important. I tend to lean more toward the latter, I suppose. But sure, you can prioritize achieving an industry minimum.
My reactions will be the same next gen. Higher framerates are better but the market generally doesn't demand them and devs prefer to try and move games on shiny over fluidity. I'll keep playing and enjoying games either way.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
Lots of multiplayer FPS games manage it
With more players.
And more things going on in the levels.
Bungie is definitely prioritizing 4K over 60FPS.
VincentMatts
Member
lol ok
Darkstorne
Member
Yep. Frame rate is far from the only factor in console multiplayer edge anyway. Some people still play on small 720p displays, yet will be going head to head against gamers with 4K 60 inch monsters when Scorpio is out. That difference in image quality and visual aid is a significantly bigger advantage than 30fps vs 60fps.
Once the honeymoon phase of the Scorpio wears off we'll see the same thing.
Then don't. Get the PC version or don't buy it at all.
Oh, you poor bastard.
Edit: you ain't even getting better effects in this case. You're just getting less jaggies thanks to 4K.
Jaguar cpus are weak sauce and limits the framerate. Pro gpu is awesome and can handle a lot of pixels.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
huh ?????
That was Rich giving his opinion, it's nothing that's been said anywhere official.
An actual MS developer saying "As a developer, I would bet no one chooses different frame-rates for multiplayer games ever." shows you their actual train of thought. Most likely Sony has the same sentiments.
So do we point out to him about the whole "Sony partnership" that Destiny had? Including all the special console exclusive stuff that was on the PS4 (or was first on PS4)? Hell, bare in mind that this is STILL! going to be a thing in Destiny 2 where Destiny 2 Will Have PS4-Exclusive Content For A Limited Time. It would be rather dumb to think that just because of all these exclusives with Sony, they would in turn make the PS4 version of Destiny 2 perform inferior to the Xbox One or Scorpio.
Honestly, I'm more interested to see what kind of storm will brew up when it is confirmed the Xbox One (and Scorpio) versions of the game will perform at around the same as the PS4 and PS4 Pro. Even the OP had pointed this out in his post: "Those hoping for 60fps on Scorpio are likely to be disappointed for the same reason"
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
"Sorry, but the bar was raised to an insanely high level with Horizon Zero Dawn. Rockstar has their work cut out for them."
Dude....seriously? That's all you have? My quote on HZD was complete fact and seeing as we have seen ZERO gameplay on RDR2, it's 100% true. And quit stalking me.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
I'm curious about that. I wonder if 30fps will still be the console standard in like, 2050.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
How fast can a Jaguar run?
How fast does a jaguar run? A: The jaguar can run at speeds of between 50 and 65 miles per hour. Although this animal can reach incredible speeds, it cannot maintain them for long.
How fast can a jaguar run...
with a scorpion on it's back?
Find out at E3.
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The Hamburglar
Banned
why do people think resolution from 1080p to 4k is 'better graphics' lol!
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
Remember another previously console exclusive engine built around 30fps which was a mess on PC? (Forza Horizon 3).
I predict you're going to need an absolute beastly PC to run Destiny 2 at 4K/60fps/Ultra.
I predict you're going to need an absolute beastly PC to run Destiny 2 at 4K/60fps/Ultra.
DC1
Member
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Could have sworn I read a post on Gaf the other day saying that someone at DF had said that they could have potentially reached 60fps if it weren't for P2P and they had dedicated servers to offload some of the CPU work to.
Can't remember which thread it was though. I was busy at the time.
Can't remember which thread it was though. I was busy at the time.
I am really interested to see the Pro and subsequent Scorpio versions of this game. If they are locking at 30fps, that means they have plenty of power to push 4k and other IQ effects. I doubt very much they are maxing out the Pro CPU and GPU wise, so the Scorpio version has even more to play with. 30fps is fine due to CPU limitation, so it should be one of the best looking games due to the extra GPU available right?
According to certain GAFers Destiny 2 looks like a last gen game no matter how you spin it, so your mileage may vary.
Not necessarily. They could always be using some of that compute power to do other things or just be bottlenecked by the CPU in general. Nothing is that simple.
SprachBrooks
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Outrun
Member
Holy fuck...
Occam's Razor. Both the Pro and the Scorpio are not powerful enough to achieve 60fps with the graphical fidelity that the dev is aiming for.
I guess its not too long to find out.
I tell you something, the DF showdown with XB1, Scorpio, PS4, Pro and PC is going to be crazy haha.
Isn't all the gameplay footage coming out from the reveal event PS4 pro gameplay? It should give a pretty good idea on what to expect I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViAUxQ6h5Ek
EDIT: Though I guess it should be said that the game's beta hasn't even hit yet so they could still be making improvements and such.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It would be, that's the bottom line DF comes to at the end of their video.
Dinky Dino
Member
Maybe. But the game doesn't look that great either way to say it couldn't hit native 4k at 30 fps and maybe going down to 25 fps in the most intensive moments.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
But ofcource they can't say it even if it's true.
Yes that's likely the main reason. I'm just saying even if the pro could do 60fps they wouldn't for the reasons I said.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
One would think. I just have this feeling that this is going to be a thing. Possibly even the real reason in the back of Bungie's mind not to even go down that road for 60fps. Since there is no way to have a PC version and not have an unlocked framerate, I suppose there will be some kind of 'play it locked 30 for the intended experience, play unlocked if preferred' type of thing.
xxMaximusxx
Banned
I won't be disappointed. Console players might be who are stuck behind everyone else
Mikey Jr.
Member
Yeah, but then you get regular 30fps ps4 players who are facing against 60fps people.
Then it will become a shit storm.
I wonder how that actually translates to real-world player performance? How can you really measure how much of an advantage a 60fps player have over a 30fps player. 33.3ms at 60 against 16.6 ms at 30.
Nah, they'll be fine because it's not a crippling problem that everyone makes it out to be. It's not optimal performance, but I'm pretty sure anyone playing on a console knows that already.
grfunkulus
Banned
Who can say the PS4 pro would a be a rock solid 60fps like the regular is a nearly unmovable 30fps. I would hate to see them unlock the framerate on the pro and scorpio only to see it dip significantly when multiple supers are used (I'm honestly worried about the performance on my 1060 equipped laptop...it might be fine 95% of the time but if it dips or hitches when I'm trying to get a clutch triple kill with my GG, I'm gonna be annoyed...never had that worry in D1)
Honestly, imagine mayhem clash on the pro at 1080p (or higher) resolution and 60fps...idk if it could handle it...they have to have enough overhead built into the engine for something like that which probably creates several times the strain as regular combat
Insane Metal
Member
Yup, sounds about right.
xxMaximusxx
Banned
Yeah, that's why there's so many threads and comments on it....