Crayon
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WTF So a few months ago, 4 years into the generation, you were $700 confident that the pro would ... do what???
Do you bitter critters still think PS5 is cemented as PlayStation's worst generation?
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WTF So a few months ago, 4 years into the generation, you were $700 confident that the pro would ... do what???
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
calling someone a tasteless retard does not require that many words.
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Bernardougf
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Oh me purchasing the Pro was a promise I made to my Son .. I struggled heavily with this decision and the most smart thing would have been to invest on a new PC.. but the timing with the GPU wasn't right and in the end I had a promise to keep.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
one, realistically.
If they had more european/JP studios under their fold then maybe that 400m would have gone a long way
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Crayon
Member
Well don't worry too much. I just invested in a new pc this month and there are no games for it.
marjo
Member
Well don't worry too much. I just invested in a new pc this month and there are no games for it.
No new games? Open Steam and search for all the games released in the last 30 days. Even if 95% of the games don't appeal to you, the other 5% could keep you busy for a very long time. I haven't looked this month, but I'm willing to bet that, like always, there are some real hidden gems there for every taste imaginable. And the best part, most of them can be played on a potato PC that costs less than a Switch 2.
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yurinka
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My individual perspective is that factual and objective data from metrics posted shows that it isn't the worst generation ever because there's the biggest amount of people engaged, and in fact more engaged than ever.
And if we're there spending our time and money there is because we like it. If not we'd spend it somewhere else.
The nostalgia glasses (I say that being a guy who in the free time does preservation research stuff and makes museum exhibitions aboug gaming history) and our memory really distorts things with time and makes us remember things better than they were and make us forget lots of garbage that was there.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
its starting to get going, but so far its been boring as hell
also just remembered the pro is $700 & doesnt come with a disc drive
ridiculous
also just remembered the pro is $700 & doesnt come with a disc drive
ridiculous
Question: In a time where the older gamers are complaining about how much things have changed , how is it that most of them didn't acknowledge how big it's going to be to have PlayStation supporting the Arcade fighting & Beat'em-up genre in this day & age with Project Defiant?
We have all these fighting game collections like the Capcom fighting collections & Mortal Kombat: Legacy Kollection , the return of Beat'em-ups like Streets of Rage Revolution & Double Dragon Revive coming plus the new fighting games coming out .
The younger gamers are as happy as can be playing the same 3 games they been playing for the last 10 years
( these kids different 
) but we're unhappy seeing the classes we loved return , PlayStation gamers getting Gears of War & Forza with a big chance of Halo & I'm supposed to believe this is the worst generation for PlayStation owners? And again I repeat GTA skipped the whole PS4/ Xbox One generation & GTAVI will be the 1st new main entry since PS3 / Xbox 360 .
The Beat'em-up era was Super NES / Sega Genesis but now it's coming back strong & Project Defiant could get some money put behind a new Beat'em-up. I'm not sure what this new God Of War game will be but I have a feeling Project Defiant is involve .
We have all these fighting game collections like the Capcom fighting collections & Mortal Kombat: Legacy Kollection , the return of Beat'em-ups like Streets of Rage Revolution & Double Dragon Revive coming plus the new fighting games coming out .
The younger gamers are as happy as can be playing the same 3 games they been playing for the last 10 years
( these kids different ) but we're unhappy seeing the classes we loved return , PlayStation gamers getting Gears of War & Forza with a big chance of Halo & I'm supposed to believe this is the worst generation for PlayStation owners? And again I repeat GTA skipped the whole PS4/ Xbox One generation & GTAVI will be the 1st new main entry since PS3 / Xbox 360 .The Beat'em-up era was Super NES / Sega Genesis but now it's coming back strong & Project Defiant could get some money put behind a new Beat'em-up. I'm not sure what this new God Of War game will be but I have a feeling Project Defiant is involve .
Bruno_Arrais85
Member
For me it is
Topher
Identifies as young
Because I don't care about fighting games.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Not the worst or best.
If they release PS5 in 2027 it will end up the worse.
If they release PS5 in 2027 it will end up the worse.
touchfuzzy
Member
Fighting game genre outside of Mortal Kombat, Tekken, and Street Fighter is niche, and most players don't care about getting expensive additional hardware to play with.
Beat 'em ups are just niche, period. The genre has made a comeback off of cheap to produce 2D throwbacks but that's about it.
NeverYouMind
Member
The Legacy Kollection may just be a rom dump with some emulation features as opposed to a definitive way to play the best MK games. Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 or Trilogy or even Mortal Kombat 2 (with AI fixed) HD Remaster would be something to get excited about. Who is waiting on this to play MK1 or MK4 Gold or GBA version of Deadly Alliance? The Capcom Collections are fantastic but are also just rom dumps with emulation features.
All 2.5D beat 'em ups are crap. Why do they matter when modern 2D releases like Streets of Rage 4, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge, The Ninja Saviors: Return of the Warriors, and The Phantom exist.
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P.S. I don't give a shit about Marvel Tokon Souls. MvCI not having X-Men was bad but this not having any Capcom characters is even worse.
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metareferential
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Judging by exclusive games, of course.
There's basically nothing even after what, 5 years?
It's tragic. The best exclusive games on the system are GT, Astrobot and DS remake.
The rest is either already available elsewhere or it's going to be. I still own one, but it's a damn waste.
There's basically nothing even after what, 5 years?
It's tragic. The best exclusive games on the system are GT, Astrobot and DS remake.
The rest is either already available elsewhere or it's going to be. I still own one, but it's a damn waste.
Gexxy1
Member
Games are cheaper than they've ever been, and this is the first generation where Sony has not had real competition from another console.
Recency bias is also a thing. Look, there was garbage back then but plenty of things were better too. Call a spade a spade. Shorter development time, no woke trash, games weren't as buggy or broken on release day, less microtransactions, less GAAS, more physical games, free online play, and less lazy and expensive remasters.
But the biggest thing for me they were more creative back then. These days most games feel like a rehash of something I played already. I've been with playstation since the first console, but once physical dies off for good I see no reason to stick around anymore.
metareferential
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Bernardougf
Member
As long as you keep strawmaning and ignoring the fist party "elephant in the room" issue...its pointless since the perception of "worst gen ever" is exactly about this.. and you know itQuestion: In a time where the older gamers are complaining about how much things have changed , how is it that most of them didn't acknowledge how big it's going to be to have PlayStation supporting the Arcade fighting & Beat'em-up genre in this day & age with Project Defiant?
We have all these fighting game collections like the Capcom fighting collections & Mortal Kombat: Legacy Kollection , the return of Beat'em-ups like Streets of Rage Revolution & Double Dragon Revive coming plus the new fighting games coming out .
The younger gamers are as happy as can be playing the same 3 games they been playing for the last 10 years
The Beat'em-up era was Super NES / Sega Genesis but now it's coming back strong & Project Defiant could get some money put behind a new Beat'em-up. I'm not sure what this new God Of War game will be but I have a feeling Project Defiant is involve .
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The team said the Kollection will be the 1st time that a perfect arcade port of MK 4 will be released on home consoles , The golden age of Beat'em-ups was & still is the SNES/Sega Genesis era so I agree the 2D games are still the best but that's the point of me mentioning Project Defiant & the flood of Beat'em-ups happening now because it increases the chance of someone putting a big effort into some Beat'em-ups like they did in the Arcade era. PlayStation has a controller to saleThe Legacy Kollection may just be a rom dump with some emulation features as opposed to a definitive way to play the best MK games. Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 or Trilogy or even Mortal Kombat 2 (with AI fixed) HD Remaster would be something to get excited about. Who is waiting on this to play MK1 or MK4 Gold or GBA version of Deadly Alliance? The Capcom Collections are fantastic but are also just rom dumps with emulation features.
All 2.5D beat 'em ups are crap. Why do they matter when modern 2D releases like Streets of Rage 4, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge, The Ninja Saviors: Return of the Warriors, and The Phantom exist.
P.S. I don't give a shit about Marvel Tokon Souls. MvCI not having X-Men was bad, but this not having any Capcom characters is even worse.
The 1st party BS is something you people are holding on to but the masses never gave a damn if a game was made by PlayStation
NeverYouMind
Member
Have you played any version of MK4? It is the worst mainline entry. Having a perfect port is like bragging that you have the most authentic trash.
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Neogaf members keep saying this but the numbers don't add up .
Nope, best gen so far, said this before but I am 48 now and seen it all and a self confessed graphics whore but also gameplay. I love the complexity of modern games and also some of the retro stuff. I absolutely love my PS5 Pro, first time I have had a console that makes me not regret not having a second PC attached to the TV. I had to upgrade my PC (9800X3D and 9070XT) just because I wanted graphics parity when I step into the office. Backwards compatibility is fantastic and being able to play all games at 60fps is an option I hated not having during the ps4 era even with the ps4 pro
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Yes, still.
Yes I know it was bad it was their 1st attempt at 3D
3D almost killed MK & SF in the PS1 era but they survived & now they're back on top the same could happen for the Beat'em-ups which also took a hit moving to 3D.
Nydius
Member
I don't speak for all NeoGAF members, just myself. Thus far, my PS5 has collected dust more than any previous PlayStation console has.
But PS4 didn't get a new GTA at all & Killzone 2 as hyped as it was only sold around 3 million while Helldivers II sold over 12 millions so it can't be the Killzone fans making all this noise.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Crayon
Member
Ah but I do. And I use it quite a bit. More accurately, I used it quite a bit until a splurged on a full replacement a few weeks ago.
But as I was trying to say, it is ridiculous to disqualify, space marine as an example, from being a PS5 game. Or a game you might buy a ps5 for if you had not other way to play it yet. Or maybe to play the upgraded version of forbidden west, essentially treating the console as a hardware upgrade not different than you or I treat pc parts.
As the xbox v playstation goes out, and pc v playstation fanboy warring comes in, you naturally get ludicrous double standards as lines of attack. Like the PS5 library is only first party games, developed in-house, that have to be tentpole, and have no chance of appearing on another platform even if that is in the future, and it can't even be on PS4. Apply that to pc and you are left with many many great indies, rts, emulators, etc. That's nice. But now you can't count space marine or any aaa as a pc game. It's head-up-the ass reasoning, or rather a repeating mantra. "PS5 has 3 games" or whatever. A telltale sign of forum warring. (Which I fully endorse, but let's not be blind.)
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Well maybe we will get a new Pacman game for Project Defiant
The fact that people don't understand how crazy it is to only come up with this 1st party exclusive BS when it comes to the PS5 is beyond me
.When I think of SNES / Sega Genesis era Street Fighter 2 & Mortal Kombat comes to mind just as quick as Sonic & Mario the same for PlayStation 1 I'm going to think of Tekken 3 , Tony Hawk , Ridge Racer , Need For Speed , Final Fantasy VII & so on just as much as Gran Turismo . PS2 you're gonna think of the GTA games as quickly as you will think of God of War.
When did this 1st party only crap start?
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metareferential
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I get the point, but of course it comes down to personal experience: if you have a capable pc, there's very little to enjoy from consoles (at a lower quality anyway).
I've always had the privilege of having many, if not all systems (aside from the 80s and early 90s, when the market was very different), so it's only logical to see the PS5 as one of the worst Playstation.
Sony still hasn't produced a generation-defining title. Every console had at least a couple back in the days, be it first or third party.
Microsoft is completely lost (343 doesn't understand Halo, Gears of War is dwindling, and the big acquisition brought many good games that are on pc); Switch had at least the new Zelda and Mario (and others); they are sequels but they expand and radically alter/improve the formula.
Of course, being a console-only player, things are different. You get 99% of current games. Which is still a lot less than what you get while being pc-only, but still good.
By that metric, even the Series X is a great console. So many games.
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Crayon
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I totally agree that a series x is a perfectly good home base and even a fairly hardcore enthusiast could keep themselves busy for a long time on that library. And it has a few perks of it's own. But I'm going to zero in on this a bit:
Sony still hasn't produced a generation-defining title. Every console had at least a couple back in the days, be it first or third party.
"PC" hasn't, either. My pc can bury a ps5 pro, but I'm not going to conveniently leave out that my pc cost twice as much. They're equally valid as an only-platform, and getting either as a second makes for a lot of redundancy depending on what you play. Let's not forget that most "pc exclusives" can be played on your regular laptop, repositioning a gaming pc as even more of a luxury if you already have a ps5. Just like if you already have the gaming pc, the advantage of buying a ps5 becomes pretty limited.
metareferential
Member
For most things, yes, I'm inclined to agree.
If it wasn't for Half Life Alyx, I'd say that we're still locked in last-gen. xD
Crayon
Member
Things have definitely stalled out.... miss the old days. But nostalgia is the leading cause of aging so I try not to think about it.
Bernardougf
Member
You would make a great xbox fan , the bullshit excuses for sony are on point.Well maybe we will get a new Pacman game for Project Defiant
The fact that people don't understand how crazy it is to only come up with this 1st party exclusive BS when it comes to the PS5 is beyond me
When I think of SNES / Sega Genesis era Street Fighter 2 & Mortal Kombat comes to mind just as quick as Sonic & Mario the same for PlayStation 1 I'm going to think of Tekken 3 , Tony Hawk , Ridge Racer , Need For Speed , Final Fantasy VII & so on just as much as Gran Turismo . PS2 you're gonna think of the GTA games as quickly as you will think of God of War.
When did this 1st party only crap start?
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Excuse? Excuse for what PlayStation is doing great
Crayon
Member
Your points were all sound and not even close to excuses. Bernardo there sure did not appreciate them, though. Certainly didn't attempt to refute them.
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Exactly a new narrative was created out of thin air & they're holding on to it when it never mattered until now.
There is a disconnect from reality
Bringing up stuff like Killzone when Killzone Shadow fall is perfectly playable on PS5 if you really want to play it but that's when reality hit , They don't really want to play Killzone the games barely sold 2 & 3 million units & most people laughed at the idea of it competing with Gears of War or Halo but now that you will be able to play Gears of War on PS5 with a chance of Halo following now they want Killzone
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Crayon
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Exactly a new narrative was created out of thin air & they're holding on to it when it never mattered until now.
There is a disconnect from reality
Bringing up stuff like Killzone when Killzone Shadow fall is perfectly playable on PS5 if you really want to play it but that's when reality hit , They don't really want to play Killzone the games barely sold 2 & 3 million units & most people laughed at the idea of it competing with Gears of War or Halo but now that you will be able to play Gears of War on PS5 with a chance of Halo following now they want Killzone
Well we can have our different views on reality. I guess im just in the mood to have some fucking minimum standards of discourse for a minute.
yurinka
Member
Yes, when considering inflation, F2P and having more and faster discounts games are cheaper now than ever.
Not true.
This generation Nintendo focused more in portability instead of high end hardware, so don't compete that directly, but still are there, Switch can be connected to a tv and been breaking records.
Xbox's console was instead very similar offering than Sony, bought many companies including Bethesda or ABK and did put their games day one in their gamesub, plus many important 3rd party ones.
PC handhelds are still a small thing but started to appear and keep some players busy.
Due to many reasons, tons of PS4 still haven't migrated to PS5 (long dev times, huge amount of games being crossgen, PS4 having good GaaS and gamesub still supported, etc).
So PS5 had a lot of aggresive competition, more or less direct, but they dominated it and kept breaking many records.
To the point Nintendo didn't go back to high end consoles with Switch 2 and Xbox seems will leave the console market this generation.
In the free time I study and research gaming history and work in preservation projects helping to document, dump and emulate forgotten old games to preserve old games and companies.
We have way more games of way more types now getting released every month or year. This includes more good games and more bad games released every month/year (including physical ones).
In the past in addition to have less quantity, there was also less average quality. Specially in the 70s-early 90s age, including many well received games back then, today would be considered broken and not fun because of their insane difficulty, awful framerate in terms of performance, or asset flips in terms of innovation. And in many cases with awful or no audio. Plus also many games weren't released in many regions or had a delay of many months or years. And many weren't localized to the many languages games that now use to get localized to.
Back then we were ok with that because it was the only thing we had.
This is a big myth. Most main genres were invented in the 70s or the 8 bits, so most of the ones who really were new things were made there.
Since then, they kept iterating, expanding or combining with others, creating different new genres and subgenres, specially when adding online, new input methods, 3D visuals or VR.
Nowadays there are more creative games than ever, but most of them get ignored by most people because humans prefer to have more of familiar stuff they know they like and normally rejects the new, different things. Often get even insulted as non-games or similar.
And well, the narrative of 'the industry is creatively stagnant', 'the creativity is gone', etc. has been repeated every generation since we had printed magazines. Here in Spain there were magazines saying that the years that games like the original Tetris or Street Fighter 1 were released.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Or maybe even one game from Naughty Dog this gen. Got spoiled with three last gen.
David B
An Idiot
Yes. The PS5 controller is absolutely the worst of all the PS controllers. PS1 PS2 PS3 fit my hands good, easy to use, liked the V shaped edges for hands. PS4 excellent R2 L2, great feeling of hands on it. PS5 just feels too big, doesn't feel great, feels medium like a 3rd party junk controller. The dualsense edge is great though. But overall the PS5 is the worst from Sony in terms of games as it has no where near as many great games as PS1 PS2 PS3 PS4 had. It just went boom, no games. Sure some like Spiderman and Spiderman 2, God of War Ragnarok. That's about it for me. So it just isn't a great console at all for me. It's the first bust for Sony.
Xbox 360 slim
Member
PS3 is the GOAT
Gexxy1
Member
Yes true. PC handhelds and the Switch aren't competing with PlayStation the same way the Xbox, Sega's consoles, and even N64 were. Even the Switch was competing more with the PS4 than the PS5. And didn't Sony just admit that they don't see Switch/Nintendo as a competitor?
Cool so we're using authority fallacy now
Lol. Says who? Using critic scores as a reason is bunk. Standards were higher back then compared to now. Also, I admitted it earlier, but those gens weren't sunshine and roses either. They had issues sure. They did not, however, have the issues (by and large) that I mentioned for the current gen. Which are much bigger problems than the list you gave. Which I also noticed you glided over.
(also yes, the early 70s- 80s did kind of suck gaming wise. Many broken games. I think once we got to the SNES/PS1 is when the quality took a massive leap)
It's not. The rest of this contains nothing of substance.
What a few magazines said once many years ago is irrelevant. Creativity is dead in non-Indie developed games. At a minimum it's dead in AAA games.
I don't know how anyone can disagree with this. Creativity is dead because it incurs more risk. It's a reflection on the high game development costs today. I mentioned that earlier. Costs are so ridiculously inflated that it makes companies less likely to take risks because it only takes one bad game to put them under. In 1997 the most expensive video game ever made was FFVII, which cost $45 million to make. Converted to inflation that is $90 million today. How low/high is that relative to modern big name titles today?
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Xbox 360 slim
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Weird incluson of RE, game has been on windows since 1996. And Xbox since 360.
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