Francesco Francavilla's blog. I don't have a link, but looking him up should get you the link.
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Francesco Francavilla's blog. I don't have a link, but looking him up should get you the link.
Yeah, it was the comic book artist Francesco Francavilla.
Except that Moffat says right before that that the Doctor is thousands of years old.
SpacePirate Ridley
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He made this:
Mmm, no Daleks with Hartnell is strange.
I've no idea why there's all that discussion about Armando Iannucci as showrunner. That's patently absurd.
Go watch the BBC adaptation of The Crow Road. That might help.
Dark Bunny Tees have updated for the first time in a while. It looks like the second Smith T-shirt and the mystery two December shirts (which I'm still somewhat curious about, since if it *is* Doc #12, there's not going to be a lot of material to base it on) are delayed until Jan, but they've released:
November Shirt #1 (Kindness Facility, The Girl Who Waited)
Day of the Doctor Shirt #1 (DNA Detector)
Day of the Doctor Shirt #2 (Space-Time Telegraph)
Bonus Tennant shirt (Sanctuary Base 6 spacesuit, The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit)
Because it spoils his chance to be the thirteenth formal Doctor, of course! He should get back in front of the camera!
What's that, Mr. Tony Blair? Davros turns you on? Why, you little stuffed horndog, you.
What's that, Mr. Tony Blair? Davros turns you on? Why, you little stuffed horndog, you.
Go watch the BBC adaptation of The Crow Road. That might help.
Dark Bunny Tees have updated for the first time in a while. It looks like the second Smith T-shirt and the mystery two December shirts (which I'm still somewhat curious about, since if it *is* Doc #12, there's not going to be a lot of material to base it on) are delayed until Jan, but they've released:
November Shirt #1 (Kindness Facility, The Girl Who Waited)
Day of the Doctor Shirt #1 (DNA Detector)
Day of the Doctor Shirt #2 (Space-Time Telegraph)
Bonus Tennant shirt (Sanctuary Base 6 spacesuit, The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit)
Awww Yes.
As much as I'm looking forward to Capaldi though I think I'm going to be disappointed when he isn't just Malcolm Tucker with a time machine.
Also, this thread is starting to look like a redacted document, probably best to stay out until Christmas. How come we don't have a Christmas/Offseason thread yet?
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Whithouse is the best choice by far, but it'll be Gatiss.
killer_clank
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I think this is correct - he's done Sherlock so has the experience, and I suspect the BBC will want a safe pair of hands.
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Too many cooks?
I mean, Gatiss and Moffat sharing Sherlock works because it was a pitch that they came in with together and developed themselves. Unless this proposed system of multiple showrunners is made up of people with similar creative impulses who applied jointly for the job, I don't see any way that having multiple creatives running the show won't be an appalling mess.
It'd be an insult to any creative showrunner to force him into a joint partnership on Who. Gatiss would take over the show in a heartbeat, but he'd probably turn it down if he was forced to share it with someone.
Cooperation should never be seen as an insult, imho, and both RTD and Moffat would have benefitted from one more person to simply point out potential flaws in direction the show was going.
I mean a Gatiss+Gaiman combo or a Gatiss+Whithouse combo would do wonders. It is not as if the showrunners do not already need to communicate with tons of people and even share work in case of others writing scripts...
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They had plenty of people pointing out practical flaws, but they are the creatives running the show. It is right and proper that they get final say, and it'd be insulting to take that away from their successors.
I don't see any way that this doesn't demean both Gatiss and the other partner. Gatiss has been writing for the show for years, and he has plenty of relevant experience. Why on Earth would anyone make him share the top job?
It goes without saying that there'd be one hell of a creative mismatch, too. Gatiss's Who and Gaiman's Who would have very, very little in common.
Regarding the Gaiman discussion on the possibility of him being a showrunner, from April this year (Gaiman reblogged the interview excerpt from lessonsforchildren, then added that last sentence and the (No I wouldn’t.) to the title):
http://neil-gaiman.tumblr.com/post/48886024919/neil-gaiman-would-be-showrunner-for-doctor-who-if
"Neil Gaiman Would Be Showrunner for Doctor Who, if Asked!" (No I wouldn’t.)
I interviewed Neil Gaiman for Triple J Magazine recently, and asked him about Doctor Who. My editors said the Who stuff wasn’t relevant to the interview, but I think it’s VERY relevant for Doctor Who fans. So here it is!
Paul: …But what about television, which you write for?
Neil: Well… it’s harder. And sometimes, you fail. Sometimes, I overwrite, and sometimes I underwrite. I’m also now aware that while I might describe something, the set designer may have other ideas. I mean, there’s a sequence in my upcoming Doctor Who episode where I wrote… a bunch of stuff, and then got a message from them saying, we can’t actually even find the location we’re looking for, but we can give you this instead.
Paul: It wasn’t a quarry, was it?
Neil: No! Though I did get to use a quarry in The Doctor’s Wife! Which made me so happy. I got a quarry, and I got running down corridors. I felt like, look! A proper Doctor Who episode! The new one? No corridor running. No quarry. But, there’s lots of strange locations, and I got to rewrite the sequence to take into account the new location. With TV, if it works, it’s like a game of ping pong. And occasionally, you do get really sad. And the hardest thing with Who is writing a script - a great one, with lots of funny moments, great lines - and they’ll give you back a forty three minute cut. And now, your job - because everything is brutally trimmed down and some scenes don’t even exist anymore - is to work out the dialogue that gives it a throughline. It’s like a kind of mad chess game, really.
Paul: If something, god forbid, made Moffat leave as showrunner, would you step up?
Neil: Well… the tragedy is that ten years ago, before Russel T. Davies brought it back, I was trying to get all the people at the BBC circa 2001, just to say, what are you doing with this show? Can I bring it back? And I never actually got a call returned. I sort of got bounced around, and it died, then Russell did it. And I love that he did, because he did it better than I ever could! I… these days, I don’t have the mad drive that I had ten years ago. I like hanging around with my wife! I like having this peculiar lifestyle! I have watched Steven Moffat for five years now, helming Who and Sherlock, but there was a point where he’d go off on family holidays and spend the whole time indoors, working. I was the same on Sandman! Every month, artists, writers, inkers, readers, all riding on my back. My family would be on the beach and I’d have the curtains drawn. I’ve done that! Now, I love coming in and writing one episode once in a while. And people I know think I’m mad for even doing it, because the amount an episode costs me… I lose a ridiculous amount of money for the time it takes! But I don’t care, I love it! I get to write Doctor Who! But if Steven showed up and asked me, I’d say yes. Because it’s an addiction for me.
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I know it’s not very clear at the end, but I’m actually saying I would say yes to writing an episode once in a while, if Steven Moffat asked me to, not yes to becoming showrunner. (Which I’d say no to.)
http://neil-gaiman.tumblr.com/post/48886024919/neil-gaiman-would-be-showrunner-for-doctor-who-if
"Neil Gaiman Would Be Showrunner for Doctor Who, if Asked!" (No I wouldn’t.)
I interviewed Neil Gaiman for Triple J Magazine recently, and asked him about Doctor Who. My editors said the Who stuff wasn’t relevant to the interview, but I think it’s VERY relevant for Doctor Who fans. So here it is!
Paul: …But what about television, which you write for?
Neil: Well… it’s harder. And sometimes, you fail. Sometimes, I overwrite, and sometimes I underwrite. I’m also now aware that while I might describe something, the set designer may have other ideas. I mean, there’s a sequence in my upcoming Doctor Who episode where I wrote… a bunch of stuff, and then got a message from them saying, we can’t actually even find the location we’re looking for, but we can give you this instead.
Paul: It wasn’t a quarry, was it?
Neil: No! Though I did get to use a quarry in The Doctor’s Wife! Which made me so happy. I got a quarry, and I got running down corridors. I felt like, look! A proper Doctor Who episode! The new one? No corridor running. No quarry. But, there’s lots of strange locations, and I got to rewrite the sequence to take into account the new location. With TV, if it works, it’s like a game of ping pong. And occasionally, you do get really sad. And the hardest thing with Who is writing a script - a great one, with lots of funny moments, great lines - and they’ll give you back a forty three minute cut. And now, your job - because everything is brutally trimmed down and some scenes don’t even exist anymore - is to work out the dialogue that gives it a throughline. It’s like a kind of mad chess game, really.
Paul: If something, god forbid, made Moffat leave as showrunner, would you step up?
Neil: Well… the tragedy is that ten years ago, before Russel T. Davies brought it back, I was trying to get all the people at the BBC circa 2001, just to say, what are you doing with this show? Can I bring it back? And I never actually got a call returned. I sort of got bounced around, and it died, then Russell did it. And I love that he did, because he did it better than I ever could! I… these days, I don’t have the mad drive that I had ten years ago. I like hanging around with my wife! I like having this peculiar lifestyle! I have watched Steven Moffat for five years now, helming Who and Sherlock, but there was a point where he’d go off on family holidays and spend the whole time indoors, working. I was the same on Sandman! Every month, artists, writers, inkers, readers, all riding on my back. My family would be on the beach and I’d have the curtains drawn. I’ve done that! Now, I love coming in and writing one episode once in a while. And people I know think I’m mad for even doing it, because the amount an episode costs me… I lose a ridiculous amount of money for the time it takes! But I don’t care, I love it! I get to write Doctor Who! But if Steven showed up and asked me, I’d say yes. Because it’s an addiction for me.
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I know it’s not very clear at the end, but I’m actually saying I would say yes to writing an episode once in a while, if Steven Moffat asked me to, not yes to becoming showrunner. (Which I’d say no to.)
Sir_Crocodile
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Yeah, Gaiman would give up a lot of freedom and money being showrunner. Dude's gotta be a candidate for best living writer at the moment. I'm happy just to get a who story from him every now and then. 
JzeroT1437
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Yeah, Gaiman would give up a lot of freedom and money being showrunner. Dude's gotta be a candidate for best living writer at the moment. I'm happy just to get a who story from him every now and then.
He's writing Sandman again (only for a 6 book miniseries). My nerd heart almost died when they announced it earlier this year.
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Yeah I heard something about that, can't wait for the collected editions. And since it's a prequel, we might even see lucifer show up...
Hey guys, sorry if I'm super late with this, but I just found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcxUaXF2T4k
It's the intro that was exclusive to the cinema screenings of Day of the Doctor, with Strax, Smith, Tennant and Hurt (in a way). Nothing too special, about on par with the other smaller promotional videos Smith has done in character.
He's really done a lot of those, hasn't he? I don't think Tennant ever did as many as Smith did, outside of the occasional Red Nose Day short and the Proms stuff. Smith broke out the bowtie for every award show or similar promo stuff. It'll be interesting to see how that continues with the next Doctor.
It's the intro that was exclusive to the cinema screenings of Day of the Doctor, with Strax, Smith, Tennant and Hurt (in a way). Nothing too special, about on par with the other smaller promotional videos Smith has done in character.
He's really done a lot of those, hasn't he? I don't think Tennant ever did as many as Smith did, outside of the occasional Red Nose Day short and the Proms stuff. Smith broke out the bowtie for every award show or similar promo stuff. It'll be interesting to see how that continues with the next Doctor.
Sir_Crocodile
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I suspect that's more down to the tastes of rtd and moffat, so I'd expect capaldi to do a similar amount (unless he ends up scaring the kiddies...).
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It is mostly down to that, I'd guess. RTD had a thing about never having him appear in-character in anything that couldn't fit absolutely as canon, so I think Music of the Spheres is as far as he would go. Like, the concept of the Doctor acknowledging there is a concert dedicated to him in something broadcast on screen was a bit meta for him, even Music of the Spheres acted like it was just him cropping up at the proms in general, not a Doctor Who prom.
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I don't know how much Gaiman had control over this but it also had the "random tattered victorian stylings" on those characters that made me roll my eyes so hard they almost fell out of my head
infiniteloop
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Season 3 is my least favorite of the new Who Seasons, but listening to the Official soundtrack today, the music is really good.
acheron_xl
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Whaaaaa? Season 3 has Utopia and Blink so that automatically vaults it above seasons 1, 2, 6 and 7.
And if the only music that was in season 3 was Martha's Thene, it would still be excellent.
infiniteloop
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It's has Human Nature and Blink, but it also has the ridiculous finale and the majority of the first 7 eps are terrible to average (with Gridlock being above average). I would also include Runaway Bride in Season 3, which is a stinker.
I loved season 3, Martha, and her theme.
The best way to do it (if it's not a total joint partnership like on Game of Thrones, for instance) would be to alternate showrunners so one takes the lead for series 9, the other one takes it for series 10, etc. The showrunner who's not the lead could co-produce the existing shows while working ahead on the next series.
That way neither of them get burnt out, they still have time to do other projects, and hopefully the episodes come out in a more timely manner.
TetraxShards
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It's for Doctor Who: Prisoners of Time, IDW Publishing's 50th anniversary story. The Doctors are matched up with who they encounter in each of their issues (there were 12, one for each Doctor plus a team-up finale).
Sir_Crocodile
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Totally disagree. S3 had:
Smith and Jones
The Shakespeare Code
Gridlock
Human Nature
The Family of Blood
Blink
Utopia
S5 is the weakest nuwho season for me, with the only standouts being:
The Eleventh Hour
Vincent and the Doctor
Hot Coldman
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Series 3 is a B- series for almost all of it, elevating to insane heights for that "Human Nature" > "Utopia" run and then plummeting straight back down to Earth for the final two.
And once again, Gridlock is the most boring episode of New Who.
Also once again, Series 5 is the standout, with only two outright awful episodes and the majority being fucking fantastic.
And once again, Gridlock is the most boring episode of New Who.
Also once again, Series 5 is the standout, with only two outright awful episodes and the majority being fucking fantastic.
Sir_Crocodile
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lol, talk about diametrically opposed
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Absolutely. Martha's Theme, Martha Trimphant, All The Strange, Strange, Creatures, This is Gallifrey, and Martha's Quest are all on heavy rotation.
And Series 3 could've challenged for top-tier if it finished stronger. Fuck, Last of the Time Lords burns.
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2/10
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yep, that's about what I'd give it
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What! I think S5 is far and away the strongest year New Who has had, with nine good-to-great episodes (Beast Below is just ok; Victory of the Daleks and Silurian two-parter are the only bad ones).
S3 is one of the better seasons too imo. Blink, Human Nature/Family of Blood, and 42 are great and I've always had a soft spot for Smith and Jones for some reason.
Don't really get what the big debate about Gridlock is, though, it's not any good or bad; it's okay bordering on forgettable.
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I love Gridlock, if only for the background information we got on Gallifrey.
But to say its better than The Doctors Wife?
Madness!
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He's both right and entirely wrong. Very impressive.
I love Gridlock to pieces, but you won't catch me claiming that it's anything close to a representative sample of RTD's Who.
Sir_Crocodile
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I like RTD more then Moffat as a showrunner myself but...that's crazytalk
Well for me:
1. The Eleventh Hour
-Fantastic episode. Could have had more work done on the villian (seriously, how can you give a baddie such a cool name as "Prisoner Zero" and not come up with a better design and make it recurring).
2. The Beast Below
-Boring episode, only bright spot is matt smith's performance at the end.
3. Victory of the Daleks
-Boring episode that revealed rather silly looking daleks.
4. The Time of Angels
5. Flesh and Stone
-These aren't too bad, but they dramatically reduced the "aura" of terror that the angels had. A bad story to drop them in for me.
6. The Vampires of Venice
-I can barely even remember this one - either bland or rubbish, though not offensively so
7. Amy's Choice
- Ok. Would not particularly choose to watch again though, the main draw was as a harbinger of things to come
8. The Hungry Earth
9. Cold Blood
-Retread of Doctor Who and the Sillurians but not as good.
10. Vincent and the Doctor
-Brilliant. Could have done with a more interesting alien, but that wasn't the point of the ep.
11. The Lodger
-didn't like corden
12. The Pandorica Opens
13. The Big Bang
-asspull ending in the worst traditions of rtd. resolving via timeywimey does not a good finale make. Astronaut/moon would have made a wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better finale then this did.
But yeah, not looking to enter any great debates on this since a lot of it's subjective, but this is why I think 3>5 basically.
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The Vampires of Venice is THE episode to watch if you want to see how Matt's performance has changed since series 5. I saw it the other day, and I was genuinely astonished how different he is- far more contained and sober, with remarkable bits of anger too.
Really, The Lodger was the episode where Matt's Doctor properly developed into the one that we have today. That was the transition from generic Doctor to tailor-made, Matt Smith-specific Doctor.
Really, The Lodger was the episode where Matt's Doctor properly developed into the one that we have today. That was the transition from generic Doctor to tailor-made, Matt Smith-specific Doctor.
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Lol we still don't have Series 6 on UK Netflix. Must be to do with DVD sales.
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I always thought the question/answer scene in Vampires made it cool.
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