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[mclem]

Eh, that was alright. The first half of it was incoherent in a bad way, and the whole "history mashing together thing" was a bit cheap. Overall not one of the better finales, and if the question is "What is the Doctors name" I'm going to be pissed

I'm amused that people have seen the episode and are *still* wondering what the Question is!

 

[xandaca]

Why, because I didn't love the episode? There wasn't even a narrative. It was just a bunch of crap thrown at the wall.

I want to love it, but it just makes me sad seeing what Moffat is doing to this show that I love.

Could not agree more with this, although since I love a lot of what Moffat has done previously, I'm hoping this is just a self-indulgent blip of epic proportions. 'Wedding Of River Song' was the culmination of a poorly-defined, overcomplicated season arc, ending up with questions either being ignored or having the laziest possible route taken to a possible answer. The Silents (monsters) were reduced from possible harbingers of The Doctor's doom to mundanely shooting soldiers with energy beams; the marriage in the title had no impact on anything; the story revolved around a bit of revisionism that neither made sense nor was justified in any way (River suddenly having full control over her astronaut suit's weapons) and, for all the amusing imagery, it was spectacle as empty and devoid of meaning as anything RTD dreamt up at his most indulgent, while it turns out that the question at the centre of the season arc could have been resolved in a few minutes at the end of any single episode. Here's my more detailed dissection of everything which I thought went wrong.

 

[Clegg]

while the Doctor runs off making googly eyes at a crazed murderer. It was, in a word, cheap. Amidst all this, we got more of Moffat sticking his right wing views down our throat with the Doctor palling around with Churchill. Genuinely a disgusting bit of television with no narrative structure or purpose.

This was the worst episode of Doctor Who since Flight through Eternity.

A crazed murderer who is in fact not a murderer at all.

Right Wing views? Its Winston Churchill.....One of the most respected men in British History.

Worst DW episode in years? Not when we had crap 10x worse in the RTD era.

 

[celebi23]

Dammit, too much stuff crammed in one episode. Moved too fast. Figured it would've been

Spoiler

the Teselecta that helped Doctor escape his own death.

Kinda brilliant though

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that the entire universe now thinks that he's dead

. Eh, kinda torn about this episode. Sucks about Confidential being canceled Really do enjoy the behind-the-scenes stuff

 

[bengraven]

Why, because I didn't love the episode? There wasn't even a narrative. It was just a bunch of crap thrown at the wall.

I want to love it, but it just makes me sad seeing what Moffat is doing to this show that I love.

Yeah, but there comes a time when you just move on instead of popping up after every episode as a very vocal minority, bitter and angry.

Don't get me wrong as everyone is entitled to their freedom of speech and expression, but spreading bitterness isn't going to win you friends.

Wait...we can ignore people??

WIN

Yep, go to Public Profile and there's a link that says "add to ignore list". Then again, I wasn't meaning that I was going to put Kuwabara on my list as I only put people who personally insult me or my family on the list, just that I was going to ignore his posts in Doctor Who threads by simply not looking at them.

 

[jufonuk]

I liked it.

 

[mclem]

The BBC is being cagey which means there will be something weird about scheduling next year. When they made the announcement everything from the phrasing of the Press Release to Moffat's weird, standoffish attitude on Twitter that neither debunked nor confirmed exactly how this stuff would go down, strikes me as weird.

I suspect it's because the 50th anniversary is coming up and at the moment plans for that are forming, and whatever they do in the next series or so will be in preparation for that.

 

[celebi23]

Oooh, new Doctor Who adventure game coming out on Halloween

 

[King of the Potato People]

I’m still wondering how it all ties into the opening…

When exactly did Amy get kidnapped?
Why is there a photograph of Amy in the Silent Orphanage? A silent must be fond of family pictures I suppose.
Why did Melody regenerate in New York, is this to do with her breaking out of her spacesuit?
Why did the Silents specifically choose a spacesuit? Well except for the cool visual image.

This series was just asking for deleted scenes to be featured on the DVD. I’m not too impressed that Kovarian/the Silence fooled themselves twice into believing lovesick River would be a good assassin for the Doctor, even under control of the suit. Perhaps they’ll be a little less, well a lot less dumb next series if they’re going to continue being Steven’s big bad.

 

[Furret]

I think you have now descended into a parody of yourself.

I've always maintained he's a troll.

But this right wing war criminal stuff with Churchill and claiming last week's Cyberman plot was the best of the series is just off the deep end.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Yeah, but there comes a time when you just move on instead of popping up after every episode as a very vocal minority, bitter and angry.

Don't get me wrong as everyone is entitled to their freedom of speech and expression, but spreading bitterness isn't going to win you friends.

Well, I don't really mean to come across like that. I just generally post my immediate emotional reaction to an episode, which was in this case, quite negative.

It goes both ways, though. Last week I was raving about the episode which I thought was quite wonderful, and I loved several episodes earlier in the year. I'm in it for the good and the bad, and that means I'll post my opinions on both.

A crazed murderer who is in fact not a murderer at all.

Right Wing views? Its Winston Churchill.....One of the most respected men in British History.

Worst DW episode in years? Not when we had crap 10x worse in the RTD era.

She's still a gun toting murderer. Remember that disgusting scene from Day of the Moon where the Doctor was rubbing up against her while she went on a killing spree?

Churchill was a war criminal who slaughtered millions of innocent lives. In the old days of the show, the Doctor would have tried to depose Churchill, rather than being friends with him. Moffat has turned the Doctor into an establishment character.

 

[mclem]

Having Meredith Vierra was a nice touch though, and was that Ian McKellen as Dickens?

Simon Callow. As in The Unquiet Dead.

edit: The shout out to the Brig was also nice, but he should have called for both Brig and Sarah Jane and found out they both passed, which would have put more fuel on the fire for him to decide to go die. The whole scene of him accepting his death though after calling for the Brig is kind of meaningless however when we find out he cheated death anyways.

Lis Sladen died while they were putting together a series of Sarah Jane Adventures, and that series is still going out - one would assume she's still alive in-universe.

 

[Clegg]

Churchill was in the show for less than 5 mins. I don't know what there is to complain about.

 

[somedevil]

Isn't that the same situation for any other show (esp. in GAF threads)? Are you trying to say that you're bored of critique? lol.

Critiquing is fine but this thread is basically reminds me of fringe. This thread basically exists in two parallel universes with one Moffat is good and one where RTD is and it creates a mess. My problem is that I can predict what certain posters will say and then in turn repeats itself after every moffat written episode killing good disussion into basically the same back and forth.

 

[Lazlo Woodbine]

Could not agree more with this, although since I love a lot of what Moffat has done previously, I'm hoping this is just a self-indulgent blip of epic proportions. 'Wedding Of River Song' was the culmination of a poorly-defined, overcomplicated season arc, ending up with questions either being ignored or having the laziest possible route taken to a possible answer. The Silents (monsters) were reduced from possible harbingers of The Doctor's doom to mundanely shooting soldiers with energy beams; the marriage in the title had no impact on anything; the story revolved around a bit of revisionism that neither made sense nor was justified in any way (River suddenly having full control over her astronaut suit's weapons) and, for all the amusing imagery, it was spectacle as empty and devoid of meaning as anything RTD dreamt up at his most indulgent, while it turns out that the question at the centre of the season arc could have been resolved in a few minutes at the end of any single episode. Here's my more detailed dissection of everything which I thought went wrong.

Well articulated review, agreed on all points.

 

[Shahadan]

Well I think the tardis explosion in the last finale was caused by the Silence monsters intiming actions to River to land at this date and mess up the controls to blow up the tardis without her remembering.
They must have been present in the tardis since we heard their voice.

Anyway good finale, it's just a shame "the question" was so obvious since its first mention (well this whole River arc was, too). It's annoying when a supposed super clever character is dumber than the average viewer.

 

[Furret]

Churchill was a war criminal who slaughtered millions of innocent lives. In the old days of the show, the Doctor would have tried to depose Churchill, rather than being friends with him. Moffat has turned the Doctor into an establishment character.

Now you must have known this was crazy talk as you were typing it. Both in terms of your bizarre description of Churchill (what are you talking about? Dresden or something? It was total war and defeat would've meant the end of modern Western democracy and the genocide of several peoples - not a time for punch pulling) and your nutso implications of what old Who would've done.

 

[bengraven]

Doc

Tor

Who.





Anyone else wonder about the

Spoiler

"The Fall of the Eleventh"?

Assuming that's a hint at his next regeneration? I hope next season isn't Smith's last.

 

[Clegg]

Well, I don't really mean to come across like that. I just generally post my immediate emotional reaction to an episode, which was in this case, quite negative.


She's still a gun toting murderer. Remember that disgusting scene from Day of the Moon where the Doctor was rubbing up against her while she went on a killing spree?

Churchill was a war criminal who slaughtered millions of innocent lives. In the old days of the show, the Doctor would have tried to depose Churchill, rather than being friends with him. Moffat has turned the Doctor into an establishment character.

Goes on a killing spree......against a group of aliens hell bent on killing the man she loves, who had kidnapped her Mother and had the human race enslaved since the Stone Age? Did you forget all these tiny details.

Yes Churchill did deplorable things but if he hadnt then we wouldn't be here typing this stuff. He is one of the most respected men in History for a reason.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

For me Moffat episode have been a much more mixed bag than what RTD was putting out, say what you like but pretty much 90% of the stuff under RTD was good and i wish i could say the same about Moff.

Looking back to finals in the RTD era things like Cybermen vs Daleks, The Master's Year and Davros they seemed to not only have a greater build up but carry much more weight, rose got stranded in the other world, Donna could never see the doctor again ect.

Both of the Moffat finals have been essentially The Doctor pulls a deus ex out his arse in the last 5 mins nothing is properly explained and he along with amy and her ridiculous partner swagger off into time and space like nothing happened.

River song since her introduction has been a carrot on a stick scenario with us finding out useless information on a semi regular basis and in the end the "carrot" was the most predictable carrot in existence for once id like the carrot to actually be a cleverly disguised Mars bar.

The season episodes have been pretty filler based with the VERY rare exception which again i cant say i felt was handeled incredibly well. Cybermen underground shall we panic? Ohh no its okay love will save us.

I personally think moffat serves much better when writing a 2parter than an overarching season. The Pandorica was actually not to bad but other things came into play then, matt smiths acting for example.

This dosnt hold a candle to
This
orThis

Not to mention it seems the special effects have taken a major hit due to budget cuts, hopefully with DW:C getting axed they can throw some more money at the mill to produce to higher quality CGI.

As i was saying, with a few exceptions the last 2 seasons have left me with a bad taste in my mouth in most regards. While i understand the desire for monster of the week type episodes tying other things into that isnt the worst thing in the world. Perhaps subtle nods or even overt pauses on objects that should of been there

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A bleed effect caused by time being locked at 5:02

I also think the series desperately needs some fresh blood, i can cope with matt smith for maybe 2 more seasons, but the ponds/williams and river really need to take a Martha esq backseat. A bigger part from some of the old who villians would be equally as nice.

For instance i know people have flashbacks off RTD bi-weekly dalek escapades but since the reintroduction in" Victory to the Daleks" we have only seen glimpses of them. Same with Sontarans and Cybermen.

Overall this season didnt end too badly but next season i expect some confrontation with a big bad resulting in some kind of lasting consequence other than them saving the universe from an explosion again. I really didnt like how the end of this season layed out on the table what seem to be the plans for next season in 2 lines of dialog.

 

[bengraven]

Wait, what? The CGI on this episode was fucking amazing: A-budget film quality at times.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Wait, what? The CGI on this episode was fucking amazing: A-budget film quality at times.

And sometimes it was pretty dodgy, see: pterodactyls, that bit with the skulls. You take the good with the bad when it comes to this show's effects.

 

[forgeforsaken]

I think you're misremembering a bit. I've been catching up on some episodes I missed and watching The Next Doctor for instance drove home how much better a lot of the production is now.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Looking back to finals in the RTD era things like Cybermen vs Daleks, The Master's Year and Davros they seemed to not only have a greater build up but carry much more weight, rose got stranded in the other world, Donna could never see the doctor again ect.

Both of the Moffat finals have been essentially The Doctor pulls a deus ex out his arse in the last 5 mins nothing is properly explained and he along with amy and her ridiculous partner swagger off into time and space like nothing happened.

Exactly. There are no consequences for actions under Moffat. Everyone always gets to live happily ever after and everybody always lives (even the guy who was decapitated). Nothing bad ever happens to anyone anymore.

River song since her introduction has been a carrot on a stick scenario with us finding out useless information on a semi regular basis and in the end the "carrot" was the most predictable carrot in existence for once id like the carrot to actually be a cleverly disguised Mars bar.

Yes, the fact that there was no actual surprised about River (everyone predicted every last element of that), and the fact that she's simply a non-existent character who exists for Moffat to fulfill his sexual fantasies about dominatrix women sour me on much of the last two years.

 

[DieH@rd]

Wait, what? The CGI on this episode was fucking amazing: A-budget film quality at times.

The last Christmas Special was the visually best Dr.Who episode ever IMO.

 

[Clegg]

Sorry Stalker but Matt Smith is a fine actor and was brilliant in that Stonehenge scene.
Youre criticising Moffat for his Deus Ex Machina but also praise RTD for most of his output. The man responsible for Jesus Doctor.

Also RTD is responsible for ruining his own endings. Rose stranded in another universe? Not any more she isnt. I dont think its fair to say that RTDs endings have been any better than Moffats.

 

[isny]

I personally think moffat serves much better when writing a 2parter than an overarching season. The Pandorica was actually not to bad but other things came into play then, matt smiths acting for example.

This dosnt hold a candle to
This
orThis

That entire clip from VOTD really includes everything I loved about the RTD era.

They really need to just do a full season with McGann for the anniversary year and let Matt/Moff take a year off. Just don't let Moff/Jane Espenson near it and we'll be good.

 

[JonathanEx]

And the resolution of this story intends to undo I'm-The-Doctor-Bitch syndrome with him being quiet and the universe thinking he's dead, and although River said the interference was people across the galaxy coming, they didn't actually seemingly get there to do shit.

 

[Clegg]

Exactly. There are no consequences for actions under Moffat.



Yes, the fact that there was no actual surprised about River (everyone predicted every last element of that), and the fact that she's simply a non-existent character who exists for Moffat to fulfill his sexual fantasies about dominatrix women sour me on much of the last two years.

What the Fuck? Do you even think about what you're typing?

Actually, I'm relieved now because I know for a fact that youre trolling.

 

[Furret]

And the resolution of this story intends to undo I'm-The-Doctor-Bitch syndrome with him being quiet and the universe thinking he's dead, and although River said the interference was people across the galaxy coming, they didn't actually seemingly get there to do shit.

I suspect that might be a major plot point in the future - that the signal attracted the wrong sort of attention.

 

[onlyindreams]

Churchill was a war criminal who slaughtered millions of innocent lives. In the old days of the show, the Doctor would have tried to depose Churchill, rather than being friends with him. Moffat has turned the Doctor into an establishment character.

I can't stop laughing at this.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Sorry Stalker but Matt Smith is a fine actor and was brilliant in that Stonehenge scene.
Your criticising Moffat for his Deus Ex Machina but also praise RTD for most of his output. The man responsible for Jesus Doctor.

Dont get me wrong, im not saying smith is a bad actor not at all but i feel he isnt fitting role aswell as other people have. He comes off as trying to force the role at times and force the (for lack of a better word) epicness. At times when tension should be built and the season climax happens i feel it fizzles out without conclusion.

Im also not putting RTD on any kind of pedestal, his episodes had there flaws. But with RTD most of the time the finale endings where explained, planned you seen the doctors thought process behind it to some degree, with Moff and Smith its effectively, Bam! haha fooled you the viewer is left feeling "lulwut?" and then its neatly wrapped up and your sent off with a pretty bow and the viewer is left dumbstruck by the whole mess.

Sorry i have to disagree about the Stonehenge scene, the first time i watched it it was almost painful its feels forced, awkward and so out of place.

Also RTD is responsible for ruining his own endings. Rose stranded in another universe? Not any more she isnt. I dont think its fair to say that RTDs endings have been any better than Moffats.

I do, bar the ending to journeys end which was the closure of a "era" and a wrap up giving everyone a happy ending for the sake of the fans. RTD's finales actually had an impact on the future of the next season.

If Moffat did the same and wrapped it all up at the end of smiths run and everyone was happy i wouldnt have the problem i do, but from what we can base it on he isnt doing that, the seasons end everyone is happy then next season something tragic happens at the start.

Theres no need to keep forcing the no consequence happy ending on us

 

[xandaca]

Exactly. There are no consequences for actions under Moffat. Everyone always gets to live happily ever after and everybody always lives (even the guy who was decapitated). Nothing bad ever happens to anyone anymore.

Yes, the fact that there was no actual surprised about River (everyone predicted every last element of that), and the fact that she's simply a non-existent character who exists for Moffat to fulfill his sexual fantasies about dominatrix women sour me on much of the last two years.

Agree on the first point, but the second is just... odd. River's smarmy and annoying, but what exactly does she have in common with a dominatrix?

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

[/B]

What the Fuck? Do you even think about what you're typing?

Actually, I'm relieved now because I know for a fact that youre trolling.

...River Song has basically existed as little more than Moffat living out his dreams. Like almost all of Moffat's female characters, she has very little in the way of actual development. She just makes 'sexy' poses, wields a gun, and says 'spoilers' in lieu of actual character development. She's probably the flattest character in the history of the show.

I don't see how calling a spade a spade is suddenly 'trolling'. River Song is a Mary Sue. She's even the long lost daughter of two main characters in the show and also their greatest friend who was never mentioned prior to showing up. It's pretty blatant.

Agree on the first point, but the second is just... odd. River's smarmy and annoying, but what exactly does she have in common with a dominatrix?

There have been several references to it, starting from the handcuffs gag back in Forest of the Dead.

 

[Zomba13]

[/B]

What the Fuck? Do you even think about what you're typing?

Actually, I'm relieved now because I know for a fact that youre trolling.

Well the season is over now so he is going out with a bang with the trolling.

I mean he's either trolling or has the biggest hard on for RTD ever and anyone not him deserves his hate (even when they pull the same stuff as he does).

 

[Clegg]

Dont get me wrong, im not saying smith is a bad actor not at all but i feel he isnt fitting role aswell as other people have. He comes off as trying to force the role at times and force the (for lack of a better word) epicness. At times when tension should be built and the season climax happens i feel it fizzles out without conclusion.

Im also not putting RTD on any kind of pedestal, his episodes had there flaws. But with RTD most of the time the finale endings where explained, planned you seen the doctors thought process behind it to some degree, with Moff and Smith its effectively, Bam! haha fooled you the viewer is left feeling "lulwut?" and then its neatly wrapped up and your sent off with a pretty bow and the viewer is left dumbstruck by the whole mess.

Sorry i have to disagree about the Stonehenge scene, the first time i watched it it was almost painful its feels forced, awkward and so out of place.

I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. RTD's endings for S1 and 2 were good, but 3, 4 and the specials were absolutely godawful and I felt insulting to the audience.

I hated Jesus Doctor, Doctor Donna and Rose Tylers sex-toy Doctor.

 

[Bossun]

So many question left unanswered...
Who are The Silence? What was their purpose?
Lot of stuff explained with an easy way out.
The Tesselecta ? seriously?

We didn't learn ANYTHING in this episode.

And I don't know why, maybe because it was only in one episode, it lacked epicness.
There was nothing, no epic, no sense of urgency, useless Amy and Rory..etc, no heart wrenching moments.
That's a thought I can apply to all the season though.

Truly the weakest finale so far. Far from the first 4 seasons.

 

[Hot Coldman]

NEW TOPIC- boy, Kovarian sure is a bitch. Let's talk about that. She needs to show up again next series, she's too brilliantly malicious to ignore.

 

[Incendiary]

I like Moffat and Matt Smith's run in Doctor Who. I love Eleven's quirks, and the standalone episodes are made bearable by his personality. I watch the show to be entertained, and by golly I get entertained. Yes, I am one of those people that was amused by Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All.

But here's the thing that I think separates RTD from Moffat. For RTD, a season-long arc means throwing a buzzword in every episode. Then when we get to the finale, everyone goes "Ohhh, that's what Bad Wolf means." Or "Ohhhhh, that's who Mr. Saxon is." Sometimes he throws in something that was set up by a previous episode, like a fob watch. But the thing is, when you get to the finale, you haven't made up crazy theories as to what Mr. Saxon is, or why Bad Wolf shows up all over the place. Yeah, you want to know, but you aren't disappointed by the reveal being simple because you haven't overthought it in your head.

Moffat, on the other hand, when he puts together season-long arcs, he drops hints in every episode. He makes it a mystery, and people start trying to solve it. And people watching the show want to fancy themselves as clever, so they want some complicated solution they came up with to be right, but they also want Moffat's solution to be cleverer than they are because he's writing the show, so they expect the solution to be a "holy shit, how awesome!" moment every time. But because Moffat's made people invest in this mystery and think about it, people start analyzing screen caps to death, talking about Rubik's cubes and him switching jackets etc. etc. Moffat's presentation leads to people overthinking, so when the solution is simple people are disappointed.

EDIT: Oh, and another thing. Because of Moffat's style, everyone expects answers every episode. Moffat's gotten himself into a Lost debacle, where he's put so many questions/mysteries out there, any time an episode airs and every question the show posits wasn't answered, everyone complained about it. Moffat's clearly got a long-term plan going here for the Eleventh Doctor. Personally, I'm waiting for the Eleventh Doctor to be gone before I start nitpicking what Moffat has and hasn't answered.

 

[Dizzy]

I thought that was kind of weak to be honest. Seemed a bit half-assed, the fact that it wasn't the usual 2-part finale adds to that. It's a shame because the season as a whole felt pretty good.


I think the doctor's death was a major cop out. "the doctor needs to die or time will fall apart!!.....oh wait no, a robot can die instead lol" :-\ that made no sense.

I mean they went to the effort to prove to us that it wouldn't be the fleshy-clone, and then they come up with an even lazier solution for the story.

 

[Clegg]

I like Moffat and Matt Smith's run in Doctor Who. I love Eleven's quirks, and the standalone episodes are made bearable by his personality. I watch the show to be entertained, and by golly I get entertained. Yes, I am one of those people that was amused by Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All.

But here's the thing that I think separates RTD from Moffat. For RTD, a season-long arc means throwing a buzzword in every episode. Then when we get to the finale, everyone goes "Ohhh, that's what Bad Wolf means." Or "Ohhhhh, that's who Mr. Saxon is." Sometimes he throws in something that was set up by a previous episode, like a fob watch. But the thing is, when you get to the finale, you haven't made up crazy theories as to what Mr. Saxon is, or why Bad Wolf shows up all over the place. Yeah, you want to know, but you aren't disappointed by the reveal being simple because you haven't overthought it in your head.

Moffat, on the other hand, when he puts together season-long arcs, he drops hints in every episode. He makes it a mystery, and people start trying to solve it. And people watching the show want to fancy themselves as clever, so they want some complicated solution they came up with to be right, but they also want Moffat's solution to be cleverer than they are because he's writing the show, so they expect the solution to be a "holy shit, how awesome!" moment every time. But because Moffat's made people invest in this mystery and think about it, people start analyzing screen caps to death, talking about Rubik's cubes and him switching jackets etc. etc. Moffat's presentation leads to people overthinking, so when the solution is simple people are disappointed.

I agree with all of this. Except I think Moffat lost his way a bit this season.

I think he had a plan for this season but overcomplicated things in regards to River.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I think the doctor's death was a major cop out. "the doctor needs to die or time will fall apart!!.....oh wait no, a robot can die instead lol" :-\ that made no sense.

I mean they went to the effort to prove to us that it wouldn't be the fleshy-clone, and then they come up with an even lazier solution for the story.

Not to mention the fact that if it was a robot, why did it start to regenerate before being shot again?

Also, they shot down the idea of it being a duplicate back in The Impossible Astronaut, and then the 'brilliant' conclusion to the arc is that it turns out to be a duplicate after all? There aren't enough facepalms in the universe.

 

[xandaca]

Moffat, on the other hand, when he puts together season-long arcs, he drops hints in every episode. He makes it a mystery, and people start trying to solve it. And people watching the show want to fancy themselves as clever, so they want some complicated solution they came up with to be right, but they also want Moffat's solution to be cleverer than they are because he's writing the show, so they expect the solution to be a "holy shit, how awesome!" moment every time. But because Moffat's made people invest in this mystery and think about it, people start analyzing screen caps to death, talking about Rubik's cubes and him switching jackets etc. etc. Moffat's presentation leads to people overthinking, so when the solution is simple people are disappointed.

EDIT: Oh, and another thing. Because of Moffat's style, everyone expects answers every episode. Moffat's gotten himself into a Lost debacle, where he's put so many questions/mysteries out there, any time an episode airs and every question the show posits wasn't answered, everyone complained about it. Moffat's clearly got a long-term plan going here for the Eleventh Doctor. Personally, I'm waiting for the Eleventh Doctor to be gone before I start nitpicking what Moffat has and hasn't answered.

I'm all for ambition, but if Moffat can't come up with a good solution to the questions he poses, he shouldn't be asking them in the first place. It would be better if he stuck to RTD levels of simplicity (which, in build-up terms, I frankly preferred to this season's utterly overwrought timey-wimeyness) if he can't do anything satisfying by going more complex.

 

[bengraven]

Well the Doctor was technically in the body.

Hell, if anything, the Time Agents might have been in on the lie and set the date as the Doctor's true death.

 

[isny]

So lets change the topic. Why did Arthur (Rory) have a Mrs. Willman's Baking Company hat on during Confidential? Was he in Calgary recently? Did I miss a screening in Canada at some point? >.>

 

[Hot Coldman]

"Durrrr, gee Fred? Howdya think the Tessa-le-mec-tra-na thingymajig makes the regeneration sparkly things? That one sure goes right over my head!"

"Barney, you moron, it's a shape-shifting robot from the future! How am I supposta know that!? It probably uses some fancy alien doo-dad to make the effect or whatever!"

"Gee Fred, thanks, kinda straight-forward once you think about it! Huh huh!"

"You're a fucking idiot, Barney."

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Where making assumptions now on things that shouldn't need them. Robot regenerating ect.
The problem lies with moffat for me, overconvoluted story arcs that inspire people to come up with wild and crazy theory's because Occam's razor cant always hold true, and in the end it does. Thats one of the most disappointing things from the SM era, the show almost telegraphs the answer to the riddle the moment the riddle emerges.

People where linking "river" and "pond" the moment the companions name was announced then mid second season, 2 years after amys introduction they spring the whole daughter situation on us and where meant to be impressed with that level of story telling?

Things like Rorys character development really need to be observed more, one episode he is a everyday unlikely hero an ex roman warrior, the last centurion. Next week he goes back to being an idiot and getting bossed around like a dogs boddy.

 

[Clegg]

I'm all for ambition, but if Moffat can't come up with a good solution to the questions he poses, he shouldn't be asking them in the first place. It would be better if he stuck to RTD levels of simplicity (which, in build-up terms, I frankly preferred to this season's utterly overwrought timey-wimeyness) if he can't do anything satisfying by going more complex.

That would be a step backwards as RTDs endings were bloody awful bar S1 and S2.

He then proceeded to ruin the S2 ending later on anyway.

I agree that he was great at building up to the season finale. However when he got to that final episode he made a mess of things.

Utopia/Sound of Drums were great but then we got Last of the Time Lords after.

Journeys End was awful too and retroactively ruined the ending of Doomsday.

Then there was "The End of Time" which had some very good ideas but was all over the place quality wise.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Things like Rorys character development really need to be observed more, one episode he is a everyday unlikely hero an ex roman warrior, the last centurion. Next week he goes back to being an idiot and getting bossed around like a dogs boddy.

This has been the biggest issue with Moffat's era. The characters are completely inconsistent. Amy is especially bad. She's essentially a different character each week depending on what the story requires her to be, and the only real character she has is making weird motions with her eyes.

Rory is better, but he keeps changing. This season he's really been all over the place, as the writers can't seem to get on the same page with who he is, which has really put a damper on his character. Combined with the fact that he doesn't really react to his daughter getting kidnapped (neither does Amy, but she was already not a character) has really soured my view on him.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

After finding out what the question really was...my reaction: