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Doctor Who Series 2011 |OT| Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff

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This review posted/written by another gaffer sums it up perfectly for me:

http://xandermarkham.blogspot.com/2011/10/in-another-reality-doctor-who-review.html

I hate how people in this thread are basically turning it into a RTD vs Moffat who is worse war. If thats the discussion you guys are having then what hope does Dr Who have. It doesnt matter that RTD was bad. Moffat is the current showrunner and he is writing some pretty weak stuff. I dont care if RTD was worse, he probably was... so what its Moffat who will continue to fluff up the show.

I feel like people are simply arguing the episodes flaws away by discussing flaws from RTD's era. By that logic the next writer could be bad but as long as he isnt making the mistakes Moffat made its going to be ok for people here?
 
Clegg said:
I agree with some of the criticisms in that blog but a lot of it seems to be a great big whinge at Moffat for not not following the direction the writer wanted it to.

I think its more that Moffat didnt follow the direction he hyped up. Building an episode up to go in a certain direction and then totally changing the flow is a pretty weird move. To me it seems like he just could reciprocate with the story he hyped up so had to change direction. The review explains it better than I can, but the whole alternative universe thing and marriage to River was extremely disjointed and didnt serve any purpose. Why did he marry River? Why was the episode called what it was called?

Questions about the Doctors survival in the finale have been answered but theres still people complaining about the lack of answers.

I think its more how weak the answers where and how he essentially answered the question in 5 minuites at the end yet threw together a convoluted storyline which hit the reset button on itself after 50 minuites just to fill up the time.


On a sidenote: I really hate how some posters deflect the critism thrown at the episode with a "But RTD was pretty crappy aswell". Thats just not good enough.
 
Clegg said:
I agree with some of the criticisms in that blog but a lot of it seems to be a great big whinge at Moffat for not not following the direction the writer wanted it to.
I too agree with the blog, infact i feel he hits alot of the problems head on. Rory might aswell not be there 50% of the time. And say what you will about RTD but SM hasnt impressed me either. The doctors wife is probably the strongest episode this season. The silents dont feel like the big bads anymore just goons.
 

Clegg

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I think everyone in this thread is getting too hung up on the plot and we're just arguing in circles now.

I was thoroughly entertained by the entire season and I thought the finale was great. Usually I'm not one to argue the finer part of plot details but I just dont see the criticisms that some of you guys have.

I thought the finale made sense in the context of this seasons logic but I can see why others found it slightly nonsensical and didnt enjoy it as a result....

Except Kuwabara. Apparently the extremely right wing Moffat is ruining the show with his aggrandizement of Churchill and his gun toting mass murdering sexual dominatrix depiction of women.
 
bobs99 ... said:
I hate how people in this thread are basically turning it into a RTD vs Moffat who is worse war. If thats the discussion you guys are having then what hope does Dr Who have. It doesnt matter that RTD was bad. Moffat is the current showrunner and he is writing some pretty weak stuff. I dont care if RTD was worse, he probably was... so what its Moffat who will continue to fluff up the show.

I feel like people are simply arguing the episodes flaws away by discussing flaws from RTD's era. By that logic the next writer could be bad but as long as he isnt making the mistakes Moffat made its going to be ok for people here?

It's easy to judge RTD because his run is complete. He's done. We can look back at what he did as a whole and say "here were the strong points" and "here were the weak points." It's harder to do that with Moffat, because we're in the middle of his run and we don't have the complete story yet. And since Moffat is clearly going for a long several season arc with his run, saying Moffat is a terrible writer is unfair to him. However, you are right in that comparing RTD to Moffat is also unfair, because like I said, RTD we have complete works to deal with while Moffat could easily flush himself down the shitter if he gets himself too tied up in intricate plot points.

Series 5 was I think the best series of the new Doctor Who so far. It's easy to forget the awesomeness of his previous episode when currently gestating the new, slightly inferior ones. But if your favorite pizza place burns your pizza one time, are you going to write them off completely? No. Of course, if you haven't liked Moffat from the beginning, I can't help you.

When you boil it down to its simplest form, Series 6 was basically River Song's story. All the questions surrounding River were explained. And I think that's partly why this season wasn't as great overall as series 5, because in series 5 when River showed up, she was a mysterious side character helping the Doctor instead of the focus of the story. Every season-arc-focused episode this series featured River and finding something out about River, basically. And it was awkward because Amy/Rory kind of ended up taking a backseat in all those episodes because the focus was the Doctor/River relationship. Would it have been better if Moffat had made River a companion for a series and explained it all then? Maybe, but we'll never know now. Instead, he chose to answer the questions about River across series 6, in addition to intertwining it with stuff about the Doctor's death and "Silence will fall." He quite possibly tried to fit too much into one season, and maybe he'll learn to scale it back a bit for next season.

Now that the "mystery" behind River is done with, I'm hoping Moffat next series will return her to an intriguing side character that maybe shows up once or twice, but isn't the focus. She's a much better character that way.

StalkerUKCG said:
The silents dont feel like the big bads anymore just goons.

I disagree. I think the Silents are still the most terrifying new villain of Who. I think one of the points of this episode was that they looked like they were goons, but actually were in control the whole time, as shown by their willingness to kill Madame Kavorian.
 
KuwabaraTheMan said:
Churchill was a war criminal who slaughtered millions of innocent lives. In the old days of the show, the Doctor would have tried to depose Churchill, rather than being friends with him. Moffat has turned the Doctor into an establishment character.
Bollocks would he. The Third Doctor boasted of his friendship with Mao, and the classic Doctor frequently mentioned relationships with figures such as Napoleon and Genghis Khan.

Whatever your political views (I'm a leftie, and you're making me feel uncomfortable) there's no disguising that you're pulling things out of your arse to try and justify your hating of the episode.
 

Arment

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I was worried about the 1 hour finale but it was fantastic.

As a newer Doctor Who fan (just finished the whole new series about 4 months ago) I'd say this one definitely my favorite season besides the first. I enjoy Moffat's style of writing. The payoff man, the payoff.
 

Trokil

Banned
I think I know what the problem is.

Moffat is changing the Doctor away from this badass action hero, he was as the 10th incarnation. Of course he was cool like hell, jumping from Space Ships into buildings stopping the Master. Giving action speeches; how he is going to kick everybody’s butt or saving everybody.

The 10th Doctor was an Action hero and people liked that. He was saving Earth and the Universe on a daily basis and he became the ultimate hero.

The 11th Doctor is not an action hero anymore. He’s more a strange thing. Funny, clumsy, sometimes pretty weird, but also more sensible about the world, his companions and his actions. Could you imagine the 10th Doctor giving the speech to Alfie aka Stormy?

He started to understand, that his actions have consequences. He created the silence, because people were getting so afraid of him, his actions were so heroic and that he became more than just a Timelord, he became some kind of a God and people started to praise him.

In the beginning he still was the Action hero. But there were also a lot of very goofy scenes; remember the kitchen scene with young Amy. He was also getting more and more vulnerable. His enemies became scarier, more personal. The Angels showed up again, the Silence was introduced. No more Dalek armies anymore exterminating everyone the whole time. Even the Cyberman were different.

The Doctor also started to think, to reflect, and to change until it cumulated all in the God complex. The God complex was always about him. He wanted to be praised; he liked himself in this role of this God like hero, who can turn entire armies around or save the whole universe. It’s about Hubris, the Doctors Hubris and he started to understand that. The 10th Doctor was never able to do that. Remember how each of them faced their possible death?

Moffat was right, this is a game changer. The doctor will not be flying around in the Tardis anymore, saving the world like he used to. The stories were getting more and more personal. It’s about him and his companions. The enemies are more elusive. In this aspect the Silence is pretty much perfect.

Unfortunately for a lot of people the 11th Doctor is not compatible with the 10th Doctor. They still want this action hero, blazing in. But Moffat stopped that. And a lot of people are getting angrier about that, because they liked this action movie Doctor.
 

etiolate

Banned
Clegg said:
I think you have now descended into a parody of yourself.

uh he was always a troll

Come on people, you should know better!


As for my thoughts:

It had to be unraveled somehow. The fixed point happened. The "previously" did give it away though. I still don't buy the romance between River and The Doctor. It's supposed to be based on something that happens but I've yet to see it happen and both act like its happened.

I thought the time twisted reality was awesome. Rory and Amy doing their thing was good.

I'd also like to see solo Doctor being badass. We had it skipped through here in a montage, but now the ending sets it up again.
 

cory.

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Clegg

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I actually like the Doctor/River relationship. Its an intriguing concept that could work really well and has in certain episodes. There was just too much of it this season.

I really hope we see more Doctor/Amy interaction next season. She is the best companion in DW since the re-boot and has such a simple and touching relationship with the Doctor. He was a magic man that fell from the sky to fix the crack in her wall and ended up becoming her best friend.

I hope to see some more oh that next season.
 

Arment

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Clegg said:
I actually like the Doctor/River relationship. Its an intriguing concept that could work really well and has in certain episodes. There was just too much of it this season.

I really hope we see more Doctor/Amy interaction next season. She is the best companion in DW since the re-boot and has such a simple and touching relationship with the Doctor. He was a magic man that fell from the sky to fix the crack in her wall and ended up becoming her best friend.

I hope to see some more oh that next season.

And her step-son. *son-in-law.
 

gabbo

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Incendiary said:
I disagree. I think the Silents are still the most terrifying new villain of Who. I think one of the points of this episode was that they looked like they were goons, but actually were in control the whole time, as shown by their willingness to kill Madame Kavorian.
..And then Amy gunned down these menacing, extremely powerful beings in a matter of seconds.

I've seen worse Who, but I didn't find the 'revelation' to be very satisfying. Seeing Matt Smith as he bound around his own head was visually humourous. The alt universe was really visually interesting too. I really thought the Doctor would have concocted a better scheme than using a robo-clone of himself to cheat death and float around the universe under the radar because of it. If Moffatt takes the same route with his name as he did here, it'll be John Smith.

This half of the season in terms of River's arc felt like it had too much to say, but no idea how to properly say it. The 2nd half didn't live up to the promise of the first. If perhaps the 'alt' universe had been the effect of his death on time, and he had to put things right by not dying, it would have been more satisfying (They can even keep the marriage/'Amy and Rory remember it all' aspects as part of his cheating death). Fixed point in time my ass, this is Doctor Who. In the past 6 years that rule has been bent and twisted and resurfaced and then painted whenever convenient. I guess I also secretly hoped it would somehow be used to explain why he's immortal now on screen and not just because it's been said off screen.

Hopefully series 7 will not use such cheap cop outs for answers in whatever story arcs they come up with.
 
Trokil said:
I think I know what the problem is.

Moffat is changing the Doctor away from this badass action hero, he was as the 10th incarnation. Of course he was cool like hell, jumping from Space Ships into buildings stopping the Master. Giving action speeches; how he is going to kick everybody’s butt or saving everybody.

The 10th Doctor was an Action hero and people liked that. He was saving Earth and the Universe on a daily basis and he became the ultimate hero.

The 11th Doctor is not an action hero anymore. He’s more a strange thing. Funny, clumsy, sometimes pretty weird, but also more sensible about the world, his companions and his actions. Could you imagine the 10th Doctor giving the speech to Alfie aka Stormy?

He started to understand, that his actions have consequences. He created the silence, because people were getting so afraid of him, his actions were so heroic and that he became more than just a Timelord, he became some kind of a God and people started to praise him.

In the beginning he still was the Action hero. But there were also a lot of very goofy scenes; remember the kitchen scene with young Amy. He was also getting more and more vulnerable. His enemies became scarier, more personal. The Angels showed up again, the Silence was introduced. No more Dalek armies anymore exterminating everyone the whole time. Even the Cyberman were different.

The Doctor also started to think, to reflect, and to change until it cumulated all in the God complex. The God complex was always about him. He wanted to be praised; he liked himself in this role of this God like hero, who can turn entire armies around or save the whole universe. It’s about Hubris, the Doctors Hubris and he started to understand that. The 10th Doctor was never able to do that. Remember how each of them faced their possible death?

Moffat was right, this is a game changer. The doctor will not be flying around in the Tardis anymore, saving the world like he used to. The stories were getting more and more personal. It’s about him and his companions. The enemies are more elusive. In this aspect the Silence is pretty much perfect.

Unfortunately for a lot of people the 11th Doctor is not compatible with the 10th Doctor. They still want this action hero, blazing in. But Moffat stopped that. And a lot of people are getting angrier about that, because they liked this action movie Doctor.

I think your pretty spot on with most of your post but your last paragraph was totally off the mark. What do you base that off? I think most people praise the more personal stories.

I think the real problem is, despite not being an action hero, Moffat tries to create complex situations for the Dr and then totally hits the reset button instead of following through. The Dr has to deal with his death? The Dr somehow has to save himself or even more interestingly may have to accept death? Oh nah dont worry we have time travelling shape shifting robots to deal with that. :)
 

Clegg

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Arment said:
And her step-son.
Son in law. But the point still stands. They make a great duo and it would be a shame if we don't get to see more interaction.

DW would become a whole lot freakier if the Doctor was Amy's stepson because that would mean that he is/ will eventually sleep with his step-sister.
 

Arment

Member
Clegg said:
Son in law. But the point still stands. They make a great duo and it would be a shame if we don't get to see more interaction.

DW would become a whole lot freakier if the Doctor was Amy's stepson because that would mean that he is/ will eventually sleep with his step-sister.

Yeah, woops. That would be creepy.
 

Effect

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The Silence came off to me as glass cannons. Extremely powerful and terrifying but not invincible. Far from it. Their ultimate defense is that they can make people forget they even exist if they look away. That right their should show just how vulnerable they are that they even have a defense like that. However that is beatable if you are aware of them and can react while being aware of them as Amy and River were and did during those events they took them out.

I need to watch the episode again but I enjoyed the season finale having just finished it.
 

gabbo

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Incendiary said:
So did River in Day of the Moon, but that doesn't make them any less terrifying.
We'll have to agree to disagree, as I don't see them as terrifying to anyone but red shirts in this arc. Unless they have a lot left unsaid about them, they're slightly more terrifying than Daleks at this point.
 

Trokil

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bobs99 ... said:
I think your pretty spot on with most of your post but your last paragraph was totally off the mark. What do you base that off? I think most people praise the more personal stories.

I may be missing a lot of posts and personal reviews, but I got the impression, that a lot of people hated episodes like Closing Time, Night Terrors or the Girl who waited.

I think the real problem is, despite not being an action hero, Moffat tries to create complex situations for the Dr and then totally hits the reset button instead of following through. The Dr has to deal with his death? The Dr somehow has to save himself or even more interestingly may have to accept death? Oh nah dont worry we have time travelling shape shifting robots to deal with that. :)

But, you make it sound like he always knew, that he will use the robot to save his life. But that's not true. In Closing time, when he entered the Tardis, he was ready to die. He was not running anymore and he had no plan to stop the whole thing. He would not have given that speech to Alfie, when he was not ready to go or would not have visited his old friends.

Maybe because they showed the robot at the beginning of the episode, it was clear for a lot of people, that he was going to use this solution. But in the episode itself it was more of a last minute idea of the Doctor to save his life. It was never his big masterplan all along.
 

Trokil

Banned
Effect said:
The Silence came off to me as glass cannons. Extremely powerful and terrifying but not invincible.

But isn't that also true for the Angels? But they still are scary as hell.

gabbo said:
We'll have to agree to disagree, as I don't see them as terrifying to anyone but red shirts in this arc. Unless they have a lot left unsaid about them, they're slightly more terrifying than Daleks at this point.

No. The Daleks are just there. You always know what you are about to face. But the Doctor holding his spear telling Churchill that they are not that dangerous, as long as there are only a few of them, just to suddenly see all these markings on his throwing arm, that was awesome.
 

ultron87

Member
Damnit. We really did not need another 'this crazy alternate universe happened!' finale followed by 'let's resolve the actual problem!'

Overall reaction? Meh.
 
Really underwhelmed by the finale. There weren't any interesting twists. The question was dumb and I still don't get what this "war" is that the woman was talking about in demon's run. The Silence completely lacked a motivation for their actions. Also, we still don't know why the hell the TARDIS blew up. Is this arc ongoing? I agree that comparisons to RTD are pretty useless for a lot of reasons, but before Matt Smith's run (and even a little into it) I always felt like I was getting answers. Now I feel like I'm scratching my head a lot more often.
 

gabbo

Member
Clegg said:
DW would become a whole lot freakier if the Doctor was Amy's stepson because that would mean that he is/ will eventually sleep with his step-sister.
Who is his step-sister?
 

gabbo

Member
Trokil said:
But isn't that also true for the Angels? But they still are scary as hell.



No. The Daleks are just there. You always know what you are about to face. But the Doctor holding his spear telling Churchill that they are not that dangerous, as long as there are only a few of them, just to suddenly see all these markings on his throwing arm, that was awesome.
Yes that scene was awesome. However, it ended with heavily armed men and Amy coming and stopping them relatively easily.
 
The season arc revolved around the army/religion of the silence wanting to kill the doctor to prevent something terrible. They're stopped by the doctor because they believe he died at a certain fixed point in time, which makes total sense, isn't hard to understand, and is a satisfying end to the season (obviously terrible though because they made sense, clearly River's hope receiver should have fixed everything with the power of love).

What I don't get is how/when/why the Silents and the Silence were working together.


KuwabaraTheMan said:
Churchill was a war criminal who slaughtered millions of innocent lives. In the old days of the show, the Doctor would have tried to depose Churchill, rather than being friends with him. Moffat has turned the Doctor into an establishment character.

Oh gee, oh boy. This is exactly how Churchill is perceived in England of course, how fucking stupid would it be if the man who led the battle against the Nazis was a war hero.
 

marrec

Banned
I'll probably buck the trend and say I enjoyed 90% of the episode, the only thing I didn't enjoy was the solution to the problem. Personally, I LOVE the question... but then I'm all for talking heads in boxes that still manage to overact.

Everything surrounding the 3 minutes it took to explain the reason the Doctor doesn't die was grade A.

gabbo said:
Yes that scene was awesome. However, it ended with heavily armed men and Amy coming and stopping them relatively easily.

We've already seen that groups of humans can kill them easily as shown by the start of this season, they've never been hard to stop... the only reason they made it so far into the facility was because of the Patches.
 

tuffy

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It's cleverly done, I thought. Having the Doctor "killed" at a fixed point in time, and keeping his survival a secret, removes all the name dropping that's plagued previous seasons. He won't go around claiming to be "the oncoming storm" and whatnot, in order to keep that secret. It's pushing the Doctor's character away from being the force of nature that's it's been portrayed as in the past, and toward being someone more anonymous who happens to stumble into trouble.

I like it.
 
bobs99 ... said:
As much as I was expecting it to be a Ganger im so frustrated that it ended up being that robot thing. Thats as cheap as a ganger and technically the Dr still didnt die so why the hell did time fix itself?
Apparently the fixed point wasn't that the Doctor died, it was that the "Doctor" "died".
DoctorWho said:
He needed to fake his own death because he was getting to big.
My problem with this is, considering time travel is involved, he'd have to remain out of sight from here on out for it to be effective. Which clearly isn't going to happen.
 

Inanna

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Incendiary said:
When you boil it down to its simplest form, Series 6 was basically River Song's story. All the questions surrounding River were explained. And I think that's partly why this season wasn't as great overall as series 5, because in series 5 when River showed up, she was a mysterious side character helping the Doctor instead of the focus of the story. Every season-arc-focused episode this series featured River and finding something out about River, basically. And it was awkward because Amy/Rory kind of ended up taking a backseat in all those episodes because the focus was the Doctor/River relationship. Would it have been better if Moffat had made River a companion for a series and explained it all then? Maybe, but we'll never know now. Instead, he chose to answer the questions about River across series 6, in addition to intertwining it with stuff about the Doctor's death and "Silence will fall." He quite possibly tried to fit too much into one season, and maybe he'll learn to scale it back a bit for next season.
No, its not that people are hating on this series because it's about some mysterious woman. I don't mind if the episodes don't focus on the Doctor solely like always. For me, it was the background stories, the execution and the lack of consistent character development that I had a problem with.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Apparently the fixed point wasn't that the Doctor died, it was that the "Doctor" "died".

My problem with this is, considering time travel is involved, he'd have to remain out of sight from here on out for it to be effective. Which clearly isn't going to happen.
Seeing as next season is mostly stand alone episodes, I think he can keep a relatively low profile have some adventures.
 

celebi23

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brucewaynegretzky said:
Really underwhelmed by the finale. There weren't any interesting twists. The question was dumb and I still don't get what this "war" is that the woman was talking about in demon's run. The Silence completely lacked a motivation for their actions. Also, we still don't know why the hell the TARDIS blew up. Is this arc ongoing? I agree that comparisons to RTD are pretty useless for a lot of reasons, but before Matt Smith's run (and even a little into it) I always felt like I was getting answers. Now I feel like I'm scratching my head a lot more often.
Sums up my feeling perfectly. So many unanswered questions. Who the hell took control of the TARDIS. If River Song really is the child of the TARDIS, couldn't she had stopped it from exploding? Wouldn't she have that type of knowledge/control over the TARDIS? So many conflicting plot points/plot holes. Like changing "The Pandorica will open and silence will fall" -> Silents being those creatures -> Silents/Silence (can't keep track of which one it was in this case) being a religious organization and the silence will fall when the Doctor dies. It's like Moffat couldn't make up his mind.
 

gabbo

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marrec said:
I'll probably buck the trend and say I enjoyed 90% of the episode, the only thing I didn't enjoy was the solution to the problem. Personally, I LOVE the question... but then I'm all for talking heads in boxes that still manage to overact.

Everything surrounding the 3 minutes it took to explain the reason the Doctor doesn't die was grade A.



We've already seen that groups of humans can kill them easily as shown by the start of this season, they've never been hard to stop... the only reason they made it so far into the facility was because of the Patches.
I'm probably in a close boat at around 75-80%, but I'd stretch it out over the entire River arc this season, especially the second half. The implications that he has to keep his head down, lay low for a while is intriguing though.

I still think the Silents are interesting as villains, just not always properly utilized.
 

andylsun

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Hmm. Didn't like the episode as much as I hoped. I thought the teseelactor was a bit of a cop out (and spoiled during the 'previously' section), but having a universe that doesn't know about the doctor next season could be fun.

River jumping from Flesh and Stone to Amy's garden was very cool.

Confidential is well worth watching for River's Story, an attempt to show her timeline.

Edit: And the musical number at the end.
 
lunarworks said:
Seeing as next season is mostly stand alone episodes, I think he can keep a relatively low profile have some adventures.
For a season, sure. But given time traveling is being done by so many groups other than the Doctor, if at any point for the rest of his life it slips out that he's an older Doctor it's like all his under-the-radar time would go to waste. The Silence should then never be under the illusion he'd actually die at that fixed point.
 
I've pretty much never not agreed with Kuwabara. Moffat is awful. Jane Espenson level awful. Matt Smith's Doctor is wasted on this material.
 

marrec

Banned
shadyspace said:
I've pretty much never not agreed with Kuwabara. Moffat is awful. Jane Espenson level awful. Matt Smith's Doctor is wasted on this material.

Man, both in the same post?

We can still be mates, but I just have to remember you have horrible taste. <.<
 

SpeedingUptoStop

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tuffy said:
It's cleverly done, I thought. Having the Doctor "killed" at a fixed point in time, and keeping his survival a secret, removes all the name dropping that's plagued previous seasons. He won't go around claiming to be "the oncoming storm" and whatnot, in order to keep that secret. It's pushing the Doctor's character away from being the force of nature that's it's been portrayed as in the past, and toward being someone more anonymous who happens to stumble into trouble.

I like it.
Hm, this is compelling yea. I was a little underwhelmed it was just the Tesselector but this has me coming around to it. A wild finale, very well zany & totally bananas in a way that Moffat hasn't quite done yet.

Little disappointed we didn't get more answers to what the end of last season was about, but the end of this season seems to indicate pretty definitively Moffat is playing the long game with all of these questions. Was hoping this finale would point more towards who would be companion next season too, but I guess the Christmas special might indicate more clearly (still banking on River & her nights away being the companion). Overall, this threw my expectations sideways a bit, but I think it'll come out more impressive on rewatch.
 
Green Scar said:
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"Durrrr, gee Fred? Howdya think the Tessa-le-mec-tra-na thingymajig makes the regeneration sparkly things? That one sure goes right over my head!"

"Barney, you moron, it's a shape-shifting robot from the future! How am I supposta know that!? It probably uses some fancy alien doo-dad to make the effect or whatever!"

"Gee Fred, thanks, kinda straight-forward once you think about it! Huh huh!"

"You're a fucking idiot, Barney."

Let's elope.
 
Just finished watching. And while I loved it-I was slightly bummed that they still haven't addressed the TARDIS exploding-but at this point I guess I just have to assume it's never going to be addressed again, and ot was just the work of The Silence messing with River's head. Overall though I loved it.

Tessalecta as the way out wasn't all that clever but the way it was revealed was. "Look into my eye."
 
MDavis360 said:
Just finished watching. And while I loved it-I was slightly bummed that they still haven't addressed the TARDIS exploding-but at this point I guess I just have to assume it's never going to be addressed again, and ot was just the work of The Silence messing with River's head. Overall though I loved it.

Tessalecta as the way out wasn't all that clever but the way it was revealed was. "Look into my eye."

My feelings as well. Great finale, but not as great as The Big Bang was last season.

I wish the Doctor kept the Stetson though.
 

Quick

Banned
Just finished watching it. I wish it was longer, but it gave us answers. But in true Moffat fashion, we get more questions. Overall, I loved this episode.

It's going to be a long fucking wait for Fall 2012.
 

isny

napkin dispenser
And for those who don't think River won't be used heavily in the next season, keep dreaming. Moff seemed to pretty much say there is still a lot we have yet to see in regards to River. (Things like her getting her Sonic Screwdriver, Marrying/Hearing the Doctors name, etc.)

Alex even seemed to want to say more during Confidential about future episodes but seemed to hold it in, so I'm sure they have her for the long haul. Hopefully she still stays MILFalicious for awhile longer, otherwise it will just be awkward. (Unless 12 ends up being an older doc)
 
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