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European Parliament Elections 2014 |OT| The Undemocratic EU is Actually Elected

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anonymous_abc

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preliminary results based on projections





It could be a tight race between EPP and S&D


#### UK results NOT COMPLETE




#### German results Preliminary





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Funky Papa

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ICKE said:
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But UKIP is totally not racist, according to some little eng... gaffers.
 
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WayneMorse

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The National Front is literally the Nazi party with a different name and they are winning the French EU elections. Burn that country to the ground.
 
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Copons

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ICKE said:
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Well shit, if that finger is pointed to some web developer with a monthly wage higher than 5K £, I'm totally one of those 26 millions. :D


EDIT: I was kidding. At least until you enforce quarantine on my cat to cross your border. :(
 
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ICKE

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Funky Papa said:
But UKIP is totally not racist, according to some little eng... gaffers.
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It is to be expected when their representatives have made appearances in Alex Jones' show (Infowars). Tells you how far over the edge the discussion is going.

I do believe public education has completely failed our population when most citizens don't know how the legislative process in the EU works or what function parliament, commission etc serve.
 
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Funky Papa

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Spain

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Both conservatives and "socialists" got a brutal beatdown and smaller parties exploded all over the place. Well, deserved, although seeing the current duopoly still getting over 50% of the votes makes me salty as fuck.

Edit: For reference, "la izquierda" and Podemos are hard left, UPYD and C's are centrist with some random leftist/rightist streaks, and CEU, EPDD and LPD are a potpurri of separatist parties.
 
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Funky Papa

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The far right got Jack and Shit in Spain*. Thank God for small miracles.



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Unless you consider the PP a far right party, which would be fine by me.
 
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persongr

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Greece (at 38.55%)

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In English:

Syriza (left-wing , opposition): 26.40%
New Democracy (Conservative, government/coalition): 23.24%
Golden Dawn (nationalist, opposition): 9.36%
Elia/PaSoK (socialist, government/coalition) : 8.10%
Potami (left-wing, not in the parliament, new party): 6.53%
KKE (communist, opposition): 6.01%
ANEL (right-wing, opposition): 3.39%
 
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patapuf

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Funky Papa said:
The EU can't really force itself into the populace; that's the work of the national governments, and they sure as fuck HATE to promote the EU.

Having a voting base largely oblivious to the workings of the EU means that local parties can can claim every success in Brussels (read: subsidies) as as their own, yet use the mean, bigoted eurocrats as scapegoats whenever shit goes sideways (see: austerity).

It's a crying shame that people are barely engaging and it shows how uncultured and pigheaded is the average European citizen, but rest assured that the biggest parties have a vested interest in keeping it that way. I am 34 years old and I have yet to see a single campaign from any Spanish administration explaining with clear words what's the purpose of the European Parliament and why it's important to vote.
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Obviously, the individual national parliaments won't want to give up sovereignity to higher entities. That's a problem that's very difficult to solve

WWII was the initial motivator for european integration. The increased challenges of globalisation were the big reason for it's expansion and reform. People have become increasingly sceptical of the benefits of globalisation and thus of the EU.

Without a big cause to rally people toghether, it will be a big challenge to convince Europeans to give up a bit of their national pride. It doesn't help, that the instution was handicapped an big mistakes were made since it's inception.
 
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dalin80

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I'm struggling to have much sympathy for many of the 'regular' parties that are losing out to the more 'extreme' groups. We have seen this coming for years as public anger grew ever more obvious and they didn't do anywhere near enough to address it.
 
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ICKE

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Golden Dawn (nationalist, opposition): 9.36%
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Regardless of the other results, now we have actual Nazi's in the parliament and that is no exaggeration. Nazi politicians representing the European populace.
 
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avaya

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dalin80 said:
I'm struggling to have much sympathy for many of the 'regular' parties that are losing out to the more 'extreme' groups. We have seen this coming for years as public anger grew ever more obvious and they didn't do anywhere near enough to address it.
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well, better to wait it out till the old racists die out, after all the old codgers are the only one's voting in this thing.
 
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Tiamant

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You know something's rotten in Europe when Spain is the example to follow.

ERC won in Catalonia, still don't know how to feel about it...
 
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EmiPrime

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cartesian said:
That's kind of a good point, actually - I'd never thought of it that way. If only thirty-odd percent of the public are actually engaged enough to vote in EU elections, how can they be trusted to make an informed and rational decision on membership of the EU?

The public think they're entitled to make the big decisions, but they have a terrible track record when it comes to actually doing the required homework. Heck, almost half the country don't even bother turning up for general elections.

Democracy has to come to them, they won't go to it.

I still remember the AV referendum. Years of whinging about a crooked political system and the first sniff of even the most tepid reform is shot down in flames because people believe that expensive vote counting machines will mean less money for flak jackets for soldiers.
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Yeah it's too important to let the public decide.

I'm still bitter about the AV referendum and the misinformation from the tories and labour and their media allies and activists because they love their cushy safe seats and a two party system.
 
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kess

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Wow, Front National won after Le Pen peres comments about Ebola? An actual NDP representative from Germany? Go home Europe, you're drunk.
 
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anonymous_abc

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leatherhat said:
Wanting to protect the English worker from the effects of cheap labor = racist.

That word loses more meaning everyday it seems.
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Why don't you define what a racist is, and then we will see how who stacks up to that.

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Wow, Front National won after Le Pen peres comments about Ebola? An actual NDP representative from Germany? Go home Europe, you're drunk.
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Not really in the same league...
 
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Funky Papa

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dalin80 said:
I'm struggling to have much sympathy for many of the 'regular' parties that are losing out to the more 'extreme' groups. We have seen this coming for years as public anger grew ever more obvious and they didn't do anywhere near enough to address it.
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The situation is really striking. Whereas massive amounts of voters in countries such as France, Greece and the UK are throwing their weight behind actual far right scum, the Spanish map has blossomed with countless parties merely asking for reform and better governance.

It makes me believe that there may be a fighting chance for this country once the old folks finally kick the bucket.

leatherhat said:
Wanting to protect the English worker from the effects of cheap labor = racist.

That word loses more meaning everyday it seems.
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Nevermind Farage chanting Nazi songs back in school and countless UKIP officers being caught spitting all kinds of xenophobic and racist venom.
 
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anonymous_abc

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EmiPrime said:
Yeah it's too important to let the public decide.

I'm still bitter about the AV referendum and the misinformation from the tories and labour and their media allies and activists because they love their cushy safe seats and a two party system.
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AV is shit and only a small step into the right direction. FPTP though, lol... -.-
 
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Kayo-kun

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The right wings in Sweden got 9.8% of the votes. Many of the votes came from my region. What a fucking shame. When you talk to people here, apparently nobody votes for them, but somehow 1/10 of the country voted for them.

This right wing wave throughout Europe is scary and it feels like we are going back in time turning more conservative and stupid instead of the other way.
 
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Sonik

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EmiPrime said:
Yeah it's too important to let the public decide.

I'm still bitter about the AV referendum and the misinformation from the tories and labour and their media allies and activists because they love their cushy safe seats and a two party system.
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WTH. Are you guys seriously arguing against democracy?
 
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G.O.O.

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France defense force here

"Only" 1/10th of us voted for the FN, and that's mainly because other parties didn't do shit to make people interested in the EU. Same goes for national TV - we should have had a le pen/schulz debate, but le pen didn't want to face schulz so schulz got cancelled.

It sucks for us more than for Europe since that means we'll send 24 MPs that will do little more than sit on their asses and collect their check.
 
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Funky Papa

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Tiamant said:
You know something's rotten in Europe when Spain is the example to follow.

ERC won in Catalonia, still don't know how to feel about it...
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By now, they are as institutionalized as CiU.

I say let them be. Allow Catalonian voters to discover in what a shit show they got themselves into.
 
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Palette Swap

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dalin80 said:
I'm struggling to have much sympathy for many of the 'regular' parties that are losing out to the more 'extreme' groups. We have seen this coming for years as public anger grew ever more obvious and they didn't do anywhere near enough to address it.
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Hating the far-right's progression doesn't mean you're sympathetic to these big governing parties. If anything, European Elections are your best bet to make the voices of smaller parties heard (see Spain).

Doczu said:
Choosing over your own kin is xenophobic - ok.
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Well yeah. Saying millions of European workers are after British jobs is utterly xenophobic as it uses foreigners as a scapegoat. If it isn't xenophobic, I don't know what is.
 
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