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European Parliament Elections 2014 |OT| The Undemocratic EU is Actually Elected
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Why would racism even come into this? Romanians are white and the women are mighty fine - just need to make sure to have limits on the number who can come across at once. Imagine disney world without queue lines, that's our benefit and housing system at the moment. 8% jump in house prices this year due to over population, it's nuts.
How many Romanians are now in UK? (a reliable source would be nice)
anonymous_abc
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26 million.
And_Gignac
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Europe getting enchanted by "extremist" parties is quite the interesting development.
Fear not, Borghezio to the rescue:
In other news, we now have a German Nazi MEP going around with "GAS" written on his jumper.
I remember this guy and this poster from the Berlin state elections. Such a disgusting thing. The answer from "die Partei" was ruthless though, having a poster with Haider's (former austrian far-right leader) crashed car with "Gas gegeben".
CyclopsRock
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Sorry to hear that, Arksy
LOL Italy confirmed to be the country that voted better than all other big ones.
WHERE IS OUR BERLUSCONI NOW?
WHERE IS OUR BERLUSCONI NOW?
I'm sorry guys, but actually after 20 years of terrible elections outcomes, even if PD is not my party and I never voted it except this time, I'm literally crying of joy for how we fucking needed this kind of change.
Palette Swap
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To be faiir, mentioning Romanians as the main reason for the current state of the housing market is a pretty xenophobic shortcut, yeah.
I'm not saying they don't weigh in at some point, they probably do but that's an nth order explanation and there are a shitload of other things to discuss before Romanians. Hell, if you want to complain about foreigners and their impact on the housing market, you should look further east for actual investors.
No idea if you are a racist or not, but you (presumably) voted for racists. So make of that as you will.
I don't think that matters that much. In the grand scheme they're both Volksparteien and their programm are very similiar. The CSU is the only part of the CDU that have an own personality (and I dont know If I like it at all).
Its more important to look on the smaller parties. Especialy AfD and NPD.
CyclopsRock
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Some did. There's at least one Scottish UKIP MEP.
If Scotland doesn't vote Yes, might as well just stop calling it Scotland and properly integrate it into North Britain. However, I would expect a greater turnout for September and the apathetic lack of vote won't be counted one way or the other.
It's sad to see anti-European parties gain so much ground. It again shows the effects of a prolonged poor crisis management (god damn these austerity politics) with high unemployment rates, but also that the Union may not be tackling the right issues or at the very least doing a terrible job of informing the public about it. Both national parties and the union itself shares the blame here.
This said, there is still a big majority of mandates who will do actual work for the coming period. We can still overcome these issues although it will take better politics than has been shown so far. I love Europe.
This said, there is still a big majority of mandates who will do actual work for the coming period. We can still overcome these issues although it will take better politics than has been shown so far. I love Europe.
I'm genuinely curious how many of those are English. Anyway it was 10%, more proof if needed that Scotland is fundamentally different from England.
CyclopsRock
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Well UKIP only got 27% in total so it's not like night and day. Furthermore, as I've said before, the divergence in politics between Scotland and England really only started in the mid to late 80s. Seems a bit premature to jettison our relationship based on the blink of an eye in our combined history.
Not that there aren't other reasons. IMO federalising the whole UK would be great, delegating as much power down as possible.
QuicheFontaine
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Eh? I thought the results weren't in yet? And according to this, UKIP may well get a Scot MEP.
Edit: Bah, beaten.
As a positive side note against the brown shirt invasion, Sweden has seen an incredible rise of support for our (leftist) Feminist party from January, climbing from ~2 to 5.4%. People are also starting to mobilise against an increase of racist violence and anti-democratic speech, with many showing up to counter demonstrations against these parties. Probably SD will keep (at least for now) gaining some votes by this "negative" exposure as they always do, but with more common people being motivated to stand up against this I think we will see an overall improvement of public discussion about these issues. Hopefully things will get better, and the same thing seen in the rest of Europe the coming years.
That relationship is itself but a fraction of both our histories. And again, neither side wins from it. Scots don't need the UK and are richer without it, and the English have grown complacent and lack perspective within it.
Why bother Federalising when there is nothing the Federal tier can do that isn't already done at higher levels (EU/NATO)?
Sonik
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LOL Italy confirmed to be the country that voted better than all other big ones.
WHERE IS OUR BERLUSCONI NOW?
I'm sorry guys, but actually after 20 years of terrible elections outcomes, even if PD is not my party and I never voted it except this time, I'm literally crying of joy for how we fucking needed this kind of change.
Not to be a buzzkill but afaik, and correct me if I'm wrong, you voted for a Hollande like "socialist" and an apolitical party that is only about style. The only party in Europe that can bring change imo is European Left/Syriza, everyone else will continue to steer Europe towards austerity and the far right.
Socialists and conservatives in EU are like Democrats and Republicans in the US: Same shit different assholes
I really wonder what horrible things the EU has ever done to some of you that there are rationales like "Well if I was against the EU, I simply had to vote for these xenophobic people." Those are really weird priorities.
It's especially rich coming from countries with the least democratic systems of all in Europe (i.e., FPTP in the UK and in France, with the House of Lords being the icing on the cake in the UK).
And, y'know, if you want to create a much more democratic and less corporate-driven EU (because the institution itself won't go away that's not undemocratic, that's just Realpolitik), don't fucking vote for parties that won't engage in a democratic process.
It's especially rich coming from countries with the least democratic systems of all in Europe (i.e., FPTP in the UK and in France, with the House of Lords being the icing on the cake in the UK).
And, y'know, if you want to create a much more democratic and less corporate-driven EU (because the institution itself won't go away that's not undemocratic, that's just Realpolitik), don't fucking vote for parties that won't engage in a democratic process.
michaelius
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How is anyone seriously beliving that EU can do anything after Russia-Ukrainian conflict ?
Funky Papa
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Spain has also moved towards the left. Actually, the right has taken a massive pounding and there's a very real chance the party currently at the government (voted by many just to spite the past administration) may not be in working condition in time for the next national elections.
I can actually see the PP and the PSOE trying to engage in a "unity" pact just to remain in power and delay the inevitable, despite the fact that both parties and their respective constituencies hate each other.
The biggest ultraconservative party took 1.56% of the votes and the largest genuinely fascist one sits at 0.13%. They are irrelevant.
Starwolf_UK
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So looking at the UK results and comparing where my views lie, I was pretty much in joint agreement with Lib Dems, Labour and Green. In terms of MEPs those are down 1 in total, so could have been worse for me.
My vote (for one of those previously mentioned 3) would not make any difference to the outcome in my region. As expected low turnout was still the winner but honesty the communication has been terrible, UKIP and conservatives were the only people to ballot me. In the nearby area people also go Don't vote for UKIP and don't vote for Labour (several of each, all of which had no explanation of who to vote for)
Oh and to crack a joke "I'm not racist but...I voted for UKIP".
My vote (for one of those previously mentioned 3) would not make any difference to the outcome in my region. As expected low turnout was still the winner but honesty the communication has been terrible, UKIP and conservatives were the only people to ballot me. In the nearby area people also go Don't vote for UKIP and don't vote for Labour (several of each, all of which had no explanation of who to vote for)
Oh and to crack a joke "I'm not racist but...I voted for UKIP".
The stole "my" jobS and my benefits and tell me wot 2 do, Thou Daily Mail said it was so. Am I doing it wrong?
Higgins113
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Not British but good to see UKIP doing well
How is anyone seriously beliving that EU can do anything after Russia-Ukrainian conflict ?
Because it already does the kind of thing I'm talking about? What the fuck did *you* think I was referring to?
Did my duty yesterday and put in a vote. The guys I voted for are not doing that badly so no regrets.
As for the general result, well it's not like I care I'll be leaving the EU soon anyway.
If I ever come back it would be good if the EU could avoid tearing itself apart, then again if it does I'm not coming back anyway.
As for the general result, well it's not like I care I'll be leaving the EU soon anyway.
If I ever come back it would be good if the EU could avoid tearing itself apart, then again if it does I'm not coming back anyway.
You're right to a certain extent.
I would have voted our own Syriza, if I had known before that Democrats would have had such a landslide.
Problem was that we're dealing with our own UKIP-like, Grillo's M5S, that at last year elections got 25%, becoming the most voted "stand alone" party in Italy (they're not the major party in parliament just because PD run in a coalition).
Mine, and I assume lots of other Tsipras votes, was a vote to thwart M5S success.
It should also be mentioned that during the last year PD underwent lots of renovations and almost the entire management was replaced by new and younger people.
While I mostly don't agree with Renzi (and at the primary for PD secretary I voted the far-left candidate), current PD could or could not be the "same shit different assholes".
(I re-read your post and I guess the first "you" meant a you as Italian people, not "you" me..
Oh well, my post should still be a coherent answer though.)
ComputerMKII
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anonymous_abc
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I do blame the parties. Hence, I nearly didn't vote.
How about the fact that you think immigration can be compared to the queues to Disney Land? How about the fact that you equate housing problems directly to immigration?
This study from last year, for example, concluded that the net effect of immigration has been positive for the british economy, even after the crash in 2008. And that's just one study. The same results have been found here in Sweden and practically all other EU countries.
The idea that immigration costs hard working europeans a lot of tax money just isn't supported by empirical evidence. It never has been.
So that's why people might think you and other populist voters are "racists" and "bigots". Because there's no legit basis for your stance, just good old fashioned xenophobia.
Nikodemos
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For as long as the European Central Bank will remain in Frankfurt, and for as long as the Bundesverfassungsgericht in Karlsruhe will be able to veto anti-austerity measures and legislation adopted at EU-level, things will quite likely not change.
No, not you too
Job opportunity in Phoenix (not sure if it's better as far as politics goes...), so I'm at least out for 2 years.
There's still special representatives for french people living in foreign countries.
And seriously if the situation is as bad as having the racist blonde shit and her
Turnout is better than in the last 10 years but still shit.
Then again last election people voted Green en masse (which lead to the creation of EELV) because there was a show by Yann Arthus Bertrand that told them the world was ending (best audience for France 3 or close enough).
People are dumb and can't know consequences from their own shit here looking at the last 5 years.
Sonik
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You're right to a certain extent.
I would have voted our own Syriza, if I had known before that Democrats would have had such a landslide.
Problem was that we're dealing with our own UKIP-like, Grillo's M5S, that at last year elections got 25%, becoming the most voted "stand alone" party in Italy (they're not the major party in parliament just because PD run in a coalition).
Mine, and I assume lots of other Tsipras votes, was a vote to thwart M5S success.
It should also be mentioned that during the last year PD underwent lots of renovations and almost the entire management was replaced by new and younger people.
While I mostly don't agree with Renzi (and at the primary for PD secretary I voted the far-left candidate), current PD could or could not be the "same shit different assholes".
(I re-read your post and I guess the first "you" meant a you as Italian people, not "you" me..
Oh well, my post should still be a coherent answer though.)
Interesting, thanks for the info. Is Grillo's party nationalist? To me he seems like an opportunist that has no actual ideology and his party seems like a new kind that combines (a)politics with marketing.
Coming from a working class, northern family in the UK with parents who voted for UKIP I can tell you there is a complete apathy with the existing parties. They're voting partly because they're fed up with the lack of control on immigration, but it's not the primary issue.
Working class people in my city don't see what governments have done for them. Wages have been undercut, and blue-collar workers have lost out on jobs.
Working class people in my city don't see what governments have done for them. Wages have been undercut, and blue-collar workers have lost out on jobs.
travisbickle
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People want to vote the UK out of the EU?
I didn't think the public could make Britain less relevant as a political force after voting a PR man and his towel-folding sidekick in to power to run the country!
They proved me wrong, within 20 years Britain will be known as that floating rock off the coast from France, used to be alright till they drained it of diversity.
I didn't think the public could make Britain less relevant as a political force after voting a PR man and his towel-folding sidekick in to power to run the country!
They proved me wrong, within 20 years Britain will be known as that floating rock off the coast from France, used to be alright till they drained it of diversity.
Actually it'll be known as that floating rock off the cost of that country that used to be part of the developed world...
Funky Papa
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If the matter is not wanting to remain in the EU (why not push for reforms instead?) I'm sure there are some palatable alternatives to the UKIP.
Looking at other countries, there are gazillions of smaller parties with similar ends but without the acrid stench of the UKIP. And they are getting votes.
Looking at other countries, there are gazillions of smaller parties with similar ends but without the acrid stench of the UKIP. And they are getting votes.
michaelius
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Why am I not suprised that people who made riots when they had minimum salary cut down to 800 euro after years of living on someone else money is voting far left blaming Germans for not giving them more cash.
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