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FANT4STIC 4OUR |OT| Fantastic 4/10

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tomtom94

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BobbyRoberts said:
It seems way more plausible to me that instead of it simply being "TRANK FUCKED THE DOG" or "THE STUDIO FUCKED TRANK" (because it's usually never that easy) - looking at the rumors (reddit/collider), the reports (Hollywood Reporter/EW), the tweets (Trank/Landis/Slater), that we have a situation where:

Trank got a lot of faith placed in him and a lot of pressure placed on him.
He was told that setpieces needed to come out because they were too expensive
The resultant scramble to replace content stressed him the fuck out
The resultant stress caused him to act out
The acting out caused a lack of faith in him
The lack of faith and bad behavior meant he essentially had to be replaced
The people who had to replace him before the clock ran out couldn't come up with any ideas that were worth a shit
Those ideas weren't executed well because nobody still there had any faith left in the project
Those bad ideas, poorly executed, dragged down what good ideas were still there.
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Can I quote this for visibility with the disclaimer I think you're still giving Trank a little too much credit (verbally abusing his cast members to the point of tears is still pretty fucked up and doesn't get a pass even if the studio are pricks)
 
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hodayathink

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BobbyRoberts said:
It seems way more plausible to me that instead of it simply being "TRANK FUCKED THE DOG" or "THE STUDIO FUCKED TRANK" (because it's usually never that easy) - looking at the rumors (reddit/collider), the reports (Hollywood Reporter/EW), the tweets (Trank/Landis/Slater), that we have a situation where:

Trank got a lot of faith placed in him and a lot of pressure placed on him.
He was told that setpieces needed to come out because they were too expensive
The resultant scramble to replace content stressed him the fuck out
The resultant stress caused him to act out
The acting out caused a lack of faith in him
The lack of faith and bad behavior meant he essentially had to be replaced
The people who had to replace him before the clock ran out couldn't come up with any ideas that were worth a shit
Those ideas weren't executed well because nobody still there had any faith left in the project
Those bad ideas, poorly executed, dragged down what good ideas were still there.
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This sounds about right. I can't imagine how hard it would have to be to replace multiple action setpieces (which are arguably the most important part of any superhero movie) that close to the start of the movie. Not that I'm going to give him a pass for the rest of it, but I can easily see how you'd flip out over something like that.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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tomtom94 said:
Can I quote this for visibility with the disclaimer I think you're still giving Trank a little too much credit (verbally abusing his cast members to the point of tears is still pretty fucked up and doesn't get a pass even if the studio are pricks)
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Yeah, having some of the shit he apparently pulled summed up by "acting out" might lead some to believe he didn't behave as badly as he's reported to have done. Acting Out sounds like a tantrum or two, maybe some light pouting.
 
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JigglesBunny

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They mean "action-packed" in the way a high school boy says he got action last weekend when he really just jerked off and watched Superbad.
 
cyberheater

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JigglesBunny said:
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They mean "action-packed" in the way a high school boy says he got action last weekend when he really just jerked off and watched Superbad.
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It's a pretty poor summer if that movie is the top action packed movie event.
 
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ViewtifulJC

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I wonder about the life of #MovieOfTheWeek twitter accounts after their moment has passed. Do they get closed down or do they still live out the reminder of their days like the Space Jam geocities website? A forgotten advertisement for a product that came and went years ago.
 
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mreddie

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ViewtifulJC said:
I wonder about the life of #MovieOfTheWeek twitter accounts after their moment has passed. Do they get closed down or do they still live out the reminder of their days like the Space Jam geocities website? A forgotten advertisement for a product that came and went years ago.
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If a movie is a hit like Jurassic, Antman, MI:5, they go on for awhile...

then, there are these.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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silenttype01 said:
Is no one going to post spoilers in the spoiler thread? It feels abandoned with only two posts :(
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I get the sense that a whole lotta people talking about this movie haven't (and won't) actually go watch it. Shit, I haven't, myself. Probably won't, either.

Considering the box-office reciepts, that seems a safe bet.
 
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FlutterPuffs

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Fantastic Four was amazingly bad.

Its worth a watch over how bad it is. Everyone is a walking cliche and the dialogue was just wtf.

I'm going to see it again.
 
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Plasticine

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BobbyRoberts said:
It seems way more plausible to me that instead of it simply being "TRANK FUCKED THE DOG" or "THE STUDIO FUCKED TRANK" (because it's usually never that easy) - looking at the rumors (reddit/collider), the reports (Hollywood Reporter/EW), the tweets (Trank/Landis/Slater), that we have a situation where:

Trank got a lot of faith placed in him and a lot of pressure placed on him.
He was told that setpieces needed to come out because they were too expensive
The resultant scramble to replace content stressed him the fuck out
The resultant stress caused him to act out
The acting out caused a lack of faith in him
The lack of faith and bad behavior meant he essentially had to be replaced
The people who had to replace him before the clock ran out couldn't come up with any ideas that were worth a shit
Those ideas weren't executed well because nobody still there had any faith left in the project
Those bad ideas, poorly executed, dragged down what good ideas were still there.
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I think the execs and producers lost faith in Trank earlier in the process, especially if he wasn't adjusting to that level of corporate oversight on his work. People at Fox, and the producers probably started to suspect Trank couldn't be trusted, so they removed those three big set pieces and wanted something smaller in their place. Trank then proceeded to prove their suspicions right by having a full on meltdown that made Richard Stanley seem well balanced and reasonable in comparison. Things spiraled out of control from there.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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While I don't necessarily trust the whole "three big set pieces" thing, especially since the only two people saying it are part of the same YouTube show and nobody else has really backed that up (plus their definition of "big set piece" might be different than mine), I do think they yanked SOMETHING that Trank was not at all willing to lose, and the way it played out from there in your post sounds really plausible.
 
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Marion Cobretti

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Just saw it. I dunno what all the fuss is about.

Was it good? No. But honestly, this movie is on par with what I'd expect to come out of Fox.

The movie just comes off as very low budget, and incomplete. It obviously needed another 40 minutes at the very least. It's a rushed origin movie with a third act that's hyper speed rushed.

The movie did have some neat ideas at times. But everything was just held back by how low budget everything felt.

All in all, I found it on par if not more interesting than the rest of Fox's output outside of DoFP.

I would totally not mind at this point if Fox did an x-men cross over as a means to salvage this universe and grow the xmen universe.

All in all though, it needs to go back to Marvel, but I think it can only work in the MCU moving forward, as anything but a fantasy take on this property just makes no sense at since the characters are very outdated and boring except Doom).

The most interesting thing this movie had going for it was the horror aspect. I can kinda see how this movie could've been much better, but even then, with what was salvaged, it could've at best been a 6.5. I'd rate the movie like a 4.5 or so. 5 being decent at best.

But I dunno how you could expect anything better considering the direction they went in, and that the guy directing had only done Chronicle.
 
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Sean

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The sad part about all of this is I think Trank truly wanted to make an awesome movie. This was supposed to be his big break as a director. He had a lot of freedom making Chronicle and it was a hugely profitable movie for Fox, so Trank (wrongfully) assumed he'd have the same working relationship with Fox on Fantastic Four.

If the rumors are true it really sounds like Fox butchered this movie just days before filming was scheduled to begin. Removing those three big action setpieces probably fucked with the entire flow of the movie and there was simply no time to rework the script. At that point Trank probably didn't give a fuck anymore, it wasn't the movie he wanted to make. Even if he remained professional and did his best to salvage the film, it wouldn't have made any difference at all.

I'd really like to find out exactly what happened one day and what the original cut was like.
 
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Marion Cobretti

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Seems to me that Trank threw a huge hissy fit when Fox cut his budget and wrecked his movie. Rather than walk away he grudgingly made a shitty movie and had a shitty attitude on set.

I can buy into the idea that he got fucked, but considering the industry he's in, he didn't handle himself well. Shitty situation all around.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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Sean said:
Even if he remained professional and did his best to salvage the film, it wouldn't have made any difference at all.
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I dont' think this is at all true. You'd have to know a) whether that YouTube rumor is true b) what the content of those proposed scenes actually were, and c) whether a director who decided to try and save his own film instead of melting down could have come up with storytelling alternatives to get his characters to the same place in the arc that they'd have been with those scenes intact.

it's not the greatest example, but Rothman cut Bryan Singer's budget by half on the first X-Men, with not much notice, and a really short shooting schedule ahead of him. Fucking dick move, right? Singer, whose biggest film to that point was a well-regarded independent film, could have thrown his hands up, spiraled out and blew up the set so bad the producers had to call in a bunch of friends to try and salvage the film while he pouted on the sidelines. Instead he turned in a definitely compromised, but still workable film that ended up being a genuine success that went on to help kickstart the superhero film renaissance.
 
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Bizazedo

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The Thing is a
killer in this. In one mission alone he kills 43 people. That feels wrong.

Judith Trank hospital was a nice touch.
 
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obin_gam

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I will urge everyone who hasn't seen it yet, to watch the documentary "Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stalney's Island of Dr. Moreau" about the making of and fucking up of the Val Kilmer/Marlon Brando shitfest that was to be.

In 1995, visionary writer/director Richard Stanley ( Hardware, Dust Devil) got the green light for his dream project: An epic adaptation of H.G. Wells’ The Island Of Doctor Moreau starring Marlon Brando and Val Kilmer. But only days into production, an unprecedented storm of natural disasters, monstrous egos and disturbing imagery – along with chaos, insanity and witchcraft – would trigger perhaps the most infamous behind-the-scenes catastrophe in modern movie history. Now director/producer David Gregory ( The Theatre Bizarre, Plague Town) reveals the untold story behind “one of the all-time greatest cinematic train wrecks” (Variety) in this “wonderfully weird and gripping” (Entertainment Weekly) documentary featuring never-before-seen footage, startling new interviews with actors Fairuza Balk, Marco Hofschneider and Rob Morrow, studio executives, crew members and Stanley himself.
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Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y_wLNe15x0

From what one can decipher about FFs troubled production, it basically seems to be a modern version of this. (Both Trank and Stanley acted paranoid on set, wouldnt come to shootings and had "issues" with their houses for example).

It's on US Netflix: http://www.netflix.com/title/80028964
And it is really really good
 
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