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FANT4STIC 4OUR |OT| Fantastic 4/10

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George Oscar Bluth II

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99% of comic film rumours come from fansites spouting bullshit. The only rock solid comic news is usually casting, writers and directors, and that always originates from websites like Variety, THR etc. or straight from Marvel themselves.

Fan sites are only good if you want to find production pics (which also have their fair share of bullshit).
 
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Neoxon

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MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
richiek said:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-fantastic-four-flops-814123?utm_source=twitter



Let's hope this is just false bravado from Fox.
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Kimawolf

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It was an average movie for the most part. I could see it though, the semblance of something better underneath it. I actually liked how the movie began, I thought the characters all fit, even the "rebooted" Doom, had that kinda attitude you'd expect, Sue to me was spot on looks wise, as was Reed, even Michael B pulled off a decent Johnny Storm, again all with a bit more "grit" than the goofy 2004 movie. it felt like it went off the rails when they had a time skip, and a sudden ridiculous plot popped up out of nowhere, you can tell there was a lot cut out and can tell that the vision of the movie was sacrificed for a more "summer blockbuster feel".

A shame because I think that cast would have made a good F4 if they had a better, more competent script and a director who could adapt to studio demands, or with enough clout to not give a damn.
 
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Toa TAK

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BobbyRoberts said:
I get the sense that a whole lotta people talking about this movie haven't (and won't) actually go watch it. Shit, I haven't, myself. Probably won't, either.

Considering the box-office reciepts, that seems a safe bet.
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You should.

It's an experience. Plus, it's short.
 
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xaszatm

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So...as someone who actually wants to see the Fantastic Four (and Doom) in a better light, what comics do you recommend for a person who hasn't read a Fantastic Four comic? I'm actually curious to see this series done by someone who doesn't make a boring bore.

Actually, this is also bugging me, if they wanted to make a Fantastic Four series on a more realistic scale, why not focus on Victor Von Doom? Fox currently has the two most complex super-villains that have motives beyond "I'm evil" and are more than capable of being good. If they want to make a movie not focusing on the powers, why not make a political thriller based on Victor and his kingdom? You could leave out the powers and action until the final act and (if under good actors and direction) leave with a different type of super-hero movie.
 
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echoshifting

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xaszatm said:
So...as someone who actually wants to see the Fantastic Four (and Doom) in a better light, what comics do you recommend for a person who hasn't read a Fantastic Four comic? I'm actually curious to see this series done by someone who doesn't make a boring bore.
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The Waid/Weiringo run and the Hickman runs are my favorites.
 
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IHaveIce

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richiek said:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-fantastic-four-flops-814123?utm_source=twitter



Let's hope this is just false bravado from Fox.
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They have to say this, the movie is only out for some days, not even out in some countries iirc.
xaszatm said:
So...as someone who actually wants to see the Fantastic Four (and Doom) in a better light, what comics do you recommend for a person who hasn't read a Fantastic Four comic? I'm actually curious to see this series done by someone who doesn't make a boring bore.

Actually, this is also bugging me, if they wanted to make a Fantastic Four series on a more realistic scale, why not focus on Victor Von Doom? Fox currently has the two most complex super-villains that have motives beyond "I'm evil" and are more than capable of being good. If they want to make a movie not focusing on the powers, why not make a political thriller based on Victor and his kingdom? You could leave out the powers and action until the final act and (if under good actors and direction) leave with a different type of super-hero movie.
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Absolutely read the Hickmann run
 
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GAMEPROFF

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Karsha

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Just saw it. Yup its bad. The pacing is weird and some of the quotes makes it look like a parody . Im not sure what happened, maybe the studio forced this cut? I don't believe it that any kind of director with some experience would have gone with it. 90 min and they get the powers around 1 hour in,10 mins of chat and the final battle starts ...and it wasn't even that great .
When i first saw the trailers and news for this film I hated the actors, thought they'd ruin it, now I can say that they are the least of the problems which says a lot
 
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Broken Joystick

At least you can talk. Who are you?
Glass Rebel said:
Feige going into negotiations like

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Regardless of the quality of movies, I'd love to one day read or hear insight into how this stuff actually works between Marvel and Sony and Fox etc. Whether Feige is just sitting in his lounge waiting for a phone call to discuss the property, or whether he or whoever on Marvel's side watches how well the film does critically and commercially, and decides to start some sort of a dialogue asap.
 
cyberheater

cyberheater

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I hope Fox tries another reboot with non-teenage actors and a better plot.
 
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Toa TAK

Banned
googleplex said:
The casting was fine, it was the story and director that were the main problem.
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What I really want to know is who wrote that piece of shit surgically attached "third act" or finale. Even if everything else before it was awful (which is was), what took me out was the horrendous dialogue. Reed Richards becomes a different character almost with the shit that's spewing out of his mouth that sounds ripped straight from a 1960s comic ("He's going to create a black hole that'll devour the planet! *omg* [something to that effect]) all said with a straight face. And the ever popular among my co-workers: "There is no *Victor*, there is only... Doom."

Like, holy hell, if the tone and concept for the movie wasn't to be the "grounded" version, it would be kinda endearing but after the entire movie has characters talk *like* human beings this swerve was worse than the craptacular action that proceeded it.
 
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Sean

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BobbyRoberts said:
I dont' think this is at all true. You'd have to know a) whether that YouTube rumor is true b) what the content of those proposed scenes actually were, and c) whether a director who decided to try and save his own film instead of melting down could have come up with storytelling alternatives to get his characters to the same place in the arc that they'd have been with those scenes intact.

it's not the greatest example, but Rothman cut Bryan Singer's budget by half on the first X-Men, with not much notice, and a really short shooting schedule ahead of him. Fucking dick move, right? Singer, whose biggest film to that point was a well-regarded independent film, could have thrown his hands up, spiraled out and blew up the set so bad the producers had to call in a bunch of friends to try and salvage the film while he pouted on the sidelines. Instead he turned in a definitely compromised, but still workable film that ended up being a genuine success that went on to help kickstart the superhero film renaissance.
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Right now there's no reason to disbelieve that rumor. Both the director and the screenwriter are claiming this isn't the film they made and the movie definitely had significant reshoots (which are very easy to spot cause of Kate Mara's blonde wig). I mean, I guess the specifics of that rumor (three big action scenes cut) could be total BS, but it's clear to me the movie got butchered from the (studio mandated) reshoots.

Trank's behavior certainly didn't help but realistically there's not much he could've done to save the movie under these circumstances IMO. Maybe it could've gotten a better RT score and opened $10 million higher but that doesn't change much. Singer was able to pull it off on the first X-Men back in 2000 but now there's dozens of comic book movies and the standards are much higher.
 
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Syriel

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Toa TAK said:
What I really want to know is who wrote that piece of shit surgically attached "third act" or finale. Even if everything else before it was awful (which is was), what took me out was the horrendous dialogue. Reed Richards becomes a different character almost with the shit that's spewing out of his mouth that sounds ripped straight from a 1960s comic ("He's going to create a black hole that'll devour the planet! *omg* [something to that effect]) all said with a straight face. And the ever popular among my co-workers: "There is no *Victor*, there is only... Doom."

Like, holy hell, if the tone and concept for the movie wasn't to be the "grounded" version, it would be kinda endearing but after the entire movie has characters talk *like* human beings this swerve was worse than the craptacular action that proceeded it.
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I also liked the fact that Reed Richards didn't seem to know the difference between a black hole and a wormhole. Especially since the latter is what Doom actually created in the movie.
 
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Toa TAK

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Syriel said:
I also liked the fact that Reed Richards didn't seem to know the difference between a black hole and a wormhole. Especially since the latter is what Doom actually created in the movie.
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Nothing makes sense in this movie. I dunno why I can't stop thinking about it.

EDIT: Also, DOOM is one overpowered motherfucker. Like, there's no way he should've lost in that movie whatsoever, his powers were WAY MORE than enough to kill the Four.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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Sean said:
Right now there's no reason to disbelieve that rumor.
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Not much of a reason to believe it 100%, either. Or at least the specifics of it, which so far as I can tell Campea & Schnepp didn't expound on. It's not like they're trusted scoopers or whatever - they're YouTube hosts. Again - I think it's pretty plausible/probable that the executives pulled some shit out of the movie before it started filming. (and we know stuff got pulled out AFTER filming, being as there's stuff in the trailer that isn't in the movie itself) Three "big" setpieces though? I think it's just as probable that the YouTube hosts (or the guys feeding them their info) might be exaggerating as to how "big" some of those setpieces were.

Trank's behavior certainly didn't help but realistically there's not much he could've done to save the movie under these circumstances IMO
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But you and I don't really know what the circumstances are, though. And even if we did, you'd have to argue that the circumstances were such that the behavior he indulged in as reported by THR is understandable and forgivable. It isn't, and it wasn't. I didn't bring up the Singer example so much to prove that you can still make a successful film under studio meddling, (there are much better examples of that than X-Men) but more to show that Singer somehow managed not to implode and take the entire project down with him. And it's not like Singer is recognized as being the most responsible filmmaker in Hollywood, either.

I'm not looking to absolve the studio for losing faith in the guy they hired before he started shooting, and I'm not looking to absolve the director for acting badly when the studio started fucking with him. I'm just trying to poke at the narratives on either side suggesting either party was helpless to the other's decisions, so they had to act the way they did, and the movie had to suffer the consequences the way it did.
 
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Garlador

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Toa TAK said:
Nothing makes sense in this movie. I dunno why I can't stop thinking about it.

EDIT: Also, DOOM is one overpowered motherfucker. Like, there's no way he should've lost in that movie whatsoever, his powers were WAY MORE than enough to kill the Four.
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"Friendship" is the greatest superpower of all.
 
Certinty

Certinty

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Thoroughly enjoyed it overall to be honest. Maybe it's because I had very low expectations but as an origin story it was entertaining.

Last 20 or so minutes of the movie did more or less suck though. Overall though it was a pretty good movie but a poor Fantastic 4 movie since there's barely any scenes of them actually fighting together.
 
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Sblargh

Banned
Didn't watch the movie, probably never will given the reviews and opinions around. Just so sad that they botched it again.

Fantastic Four 1 has one of the best origin stories that can be easily adapted to movies *right there*.

It starts with 4 people breaking and entering a military base so they can steal a rocket and go to space so the communists won't get there first . After that, they crash into an island, discover (with a measure of horror) that they have mutated and the experience bonds them as a family. There, supervillaingenious Reed Richards make them vow to use their powers for good (which was actually very well retconned with the reasoning that they are monsters now, if they don't appear heroic, they'll probably be feared and hated).

There you go all movie-makers of the future. From the pages of the one comic book you should read before trying to make a fantastic four movie. Your first act.

Don't ditch the "they land in an isolated island" part. That's very important so they can mutate and have fear and discover their powers without no safety net than each other and so they can talk about how to appear in public.

(PS: if that's already the first arc of this movie, then I don't know what those hollywood yahoos are doing wrong)
 
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