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FANT4STIC 4OUR |OT| Fantastic 4/10

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You really have to wonder how much this hurts the Marvel brand. I know quite a few of my casual movie watcher friends who were gonna see this because "it's a super hero movie made by Marvel". One of my friends was asking me how this ties in with the Infinity Gauntlet and the Avengers and I was like "wut".

I know quite a few people who saw the Amazing Spider Man 2 and thought it was watchable but said that this was irredeemable garbage. Some of them are kinda getting fed of super heroes movies as well.

Anecdotal evidence as well but you have to wonder the scope of the problems this movie is going to create. It goes beyond just demolishing the FF4 ip.

If nothing else, the ASM movies at least have reasonably likable actors behind their main characters, and some levity to the action. F4 was just boring, nonsensical, and awful. I didn't like or care about any of the characters, none of the action was impressive, and none of the plot made any sense at all. It was one of the worst movies I've seen in a long time.
 
I just read Ultimate Fantastic Four #1 again, how close does the movie first part follow the comics? does the movie show Reed Richard to have pretty bad childhood, being bullied and his dad didn't even like him, probably like Ben Grimm more and there are comic panel you can kinda see that Reed probably resent or jealous for Grimm in some way.

If nothing else, the ASM movies at least have reasonably likable actors behind their main characters, and some levity to the action. F4 was just boring, nonsensical, and awful. I didn't like or care about any of the characters, none of the action was impressive, and none of the plot made any sense at all. It was one of the worst movies I've seen in a long time.

ASM action scenes are amazing, ASM2 is probably the definitive live action spider-man costume and action scene ever.
 

bistromathics

facing a bright new dawn
I will urge everyone who hasn't seen it yet, to watch the documentary "Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stalney's Island of Dr. Moreau" about the making of and fucking up of the Val Kilmer/Marlon Brando shitfest that was to be.


Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y_wLNe15x0

From what one can decipher about FFs troubled production, it basically seems to be a modern version of this. (Both Trank and Stanley acted paranoid on set, wouldnt come to shootings and had "issues" with their houses for example).

It's on US Netflix: http://www.netflix.com/title/80028964
And it is really really good

Just watched this - awesome recommendation, thanks. The number of different events people kept saying were "the beginning of the end" was hilarious. I'd like to think Val Kilmer is a much cooler guy now, but maybe not :\
 
There's a lot you can learn from a bad movie. It's fun to dissect it and seeing where it went wrong. I work in the production business anyway so its practically studying. :D

Oh I know, I'm an aspiring director who's taken countless courses and still is, but usually, I won't see a bad film twice in theaters.

I'll wait until it's on DVD and get it at Redbox!
 
On one hand, I can see where they were going with this. The whole sequence from the point that the quartet gets back after the visit to the planet, up to when Reed escapes, is like something out of a Cronenberg film (as HITB mentioned). That whole sense of body horror and these innocent people reacting in agony at their situation would have been quite harrowing if it was part of a different concept or set up better.

However, nothing else works. There is no "family" to it because everyone's completely dysfunctional. It's like they didn't understand the concept of the franchise at all and just wanted to go adult and upmarket for no discernible reason.

Case in point - Doom's one-sided infatuation with Sue. In the comics, every time a male superhero tries to romance or seduce Sue, she only lets it get to a certain point (letting Namor give her a kiss, for instance) just to watch Reed squirm because she does love him. In this, they're both such non-entities that Reed is ignorant of Doom's attraction, and Sue is so high-strung and intellectual that she won't give him the time of day.

The last act is complete garbage, and I'm willing to bet that they reshot a lot of footage to reframe it as a more family-friendly concept.
 

Sanjuro

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The Red Letter Media thing shares my sentiments again. For those harping, it's a must see. There is value mixed up in this mess.
 
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Just edit in "movie" in place of "machine," and make "Uncle Doom" into "Uncle Fiege" and we are done here.
 
A friend and I posted our review up on our Youtube channel.

We concluded that, having just watched the 2005 version, it was definitely worse but ultimately sort of close; the real issue we had was that it feels like half of the movie is outright missing. Definitely bad, but maybe not super deserving of being put in the same league as bad superhero movies like Catwoman or Batman and Robin.
 
I wonder if we're looking at an Alien 3 situation where the director's cuts (if its ever released) is heralded as an unsung classic...

That's an interesting comparison. Fincher got fucked with really hard by the people in charge at Fox at the time, but he managed to not shit his pants so hard that industry trades had to report on it. And when he essentially disowned his own movie (his first) he made sure not to tell anyone in the press about it until much, much later.
 
That's an interesting comparison. Fincher got fucked with really hard by the people in charge at Fox at the time, but he managed to not shit his pants so hard that industry trades had to report on it. And when he essentially disowned his own movie (his first) he made sure not to tell anyone in the press about it until much, much later.

Remember that Alien 3 came out long before the internet. I wonder if Alien 3 was being released now if it wouldn't play out just like Fant4stic with gossip rumors of a director break down (in the BTS Doc you clearly see Fincher is at wits end in many scenes), the rabid fanbase denouncing the film as a cheap cash-in that doesn't respect the franchise, and Fincher eventually venting his frustrations on twitter or somewhere else online...
 
Remember that Alien 3 came out long before the internet..

Yeah, but even though there wasn't an internet presence like the one we're used to now, there was still a very attentive fandom. It wasn't online, it was in shit like Starlog and Cinefantastique, and guaranteed there were not-nice articles about the making of that movie in there. But even with Fincher lashing out on set during that filming, it never got as bad as it apparently did with Trank while making this film, and the pressure Fincher was under (on his first film, even) was way harsher than what Trank was likely feeling on this one, considering what he was following up.
 
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After (20 minutes, on my iPhone, using the Facetune app)
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Of course it looks ridiculously awful, but I did this on my phone in 20 minutes out of boredom just to give a rough idea of how his design could have been. You're telling me Trank and the crew didn't see that without the green cracks and a green cape, his design looks infinitely better?
 
That doesn't look infinitely better, though. Or better, period.

Like I said, the point is really truly not to say my shitty 20 minute iPhone mockup looks good whatsoever, a kindergarten art project looks more competent.

It's my way of saying that without the green cracks and brown cloak, Doom actually looks like... Doom.
 
Asked on the previous page
I'm curious, was this always a F4 movie or was it a retooled script or something?

"Four teens visit an alternate dimension. An accident occurs, leaving one behind, while the others are horribly mutated but gain unique powers in the process
They're weaponized by the military, but must band together when the stranded traveller returns as a powerful threat"


Except for the nature of the powers, nothing about that says "Fantastic Four". Substitute other abilities, change the names, and it would be unrecognizable as anything related to F4.

So that's why I was wondering if that's what they did, "oh we have this interesting script, let's change up the names and powers, and this could be the Fantastic Four movie" or was it written from the start to be F4
 
Agree with them. Film had promise and needed to go full grimdark darkest timeline to work.

Now they almost did and you can see the few horror/thefly/scanners moments in there but it gets resolved too cleanly.

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Well, I guess if you're going grounded for a property like F4 you might as well go for broke.
 

Donos

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If you google "dr. doom concept drawing" there are so many concepts that look miles better than hobo/android doom of this movie. I get it that you sometimes want to change things up but that went just wrong.
Want to know what movie concepts of Dr. Doom marvel has in their drawers. They really nailed a lot of costumes.
 
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