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FANT4STIC 4OUR |OT| Fantastic 4/10

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Nah man, if they really want to make it a superpowered family, they don't need to timeskip.

At this point, they won't be doing much of anything. Throw it out in a firesale and let Marvel take the rights to Doom so they can finally do justice to the character. It's clear that Fox will never do anything of value with the property.

I hope they don't get it.

It's okay. These feelings are hard to process. Give it time.
 

Toa TAK

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You also believe Otto is the superior Spider-Man.
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There is no part of what you just said that isn't true.

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I mean, it's on the tin.
At this point, they won't be doing much of anything. Throw it out in a firesale and let Marvel take the rights to Doom so they can finally do justice to the character. It's clear that Fox will never do anything of value with the property.
I hope they don't get it.
 

TipsyArchmage

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Well I saw it and I thought it was a below average superhero movie. But not really the flaming pile of garbage that the internet said it was. It definitely had a lot of issues but at least I wasn't actively bored by it

which is more than I could say about the first avengers movie or man of steel.
 

Lothars

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I hope they don't get it.
I don't think there's a way they don't get it back now with how bad this movie did and how bad it is.

Well I saw it and I thought it was a below average superhero movie. But not really the flaming pile of garbage that the internet said it was. It definitely had a lot of issues but at least I wasn't actively bored by it

which is more than I could say about the first avengers movie or man of steel.
I agree with you about Man of Steel but you were seriously bored with the first Avengers? Wow insanity.
 
Just watched it... It basically is a lobotomized version of some movie that could have been very decent. But it is not a Fantastic Four movie.

If we want to play the blame-game, I can understand people blaming Trank for not getting F4. But it is Fox's fuck-up for not recognizing that Trank's version would never get them what they actually wanted.
 

Toa TAK

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Dysun

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X1 was trash, as was X3 and Wolverine Origins...xmen has been a smedium good franchise with DoFP , The Wolverine and First CLass, but for the popularity of the property ...they have under performed.

X1 was the farthest thing from trash. Perspective please, this was the beginning of a new wave of super hero movies. To say it's trash and elevate The Wolverine right after boggles the mind
 

EGM1966

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Brad Bird could make a great Fantastic Four...

But I respectfully disagree.

See, the thing that makes The Iron Giant as a character work just like Superman is that they tie in enough similarities to the core traits of what Superman is and represents and then applies them to the Iron Giant. A being from another planet, blessed/cursed with extraordinary destructive power, who rather than destroy life, selflessly puts the needs of others before his own, even at the cost of his own life. ... ... Well, it worked until Man of Steel, at least.

But the same thing that makes The Incredibles work is what would make the Fantastic Four work. Sure, the plot and setting and characters are different, but the thing that makes the Incredibles work is that they aren't just a superhero team; they're a FAMILY. They've got dysfunction, distrust, egos, immaturity, conflict, and differences, but they still ultimately love one another and stick by each other because they're a family, through thick and thin. That's not just the heroics... it's the other stuff, the personal stuff. Dealing with middle-age, parenthood, paying the bills, clinging to glory days, balancing time with friends and with family, trust in your spouse, dealing a violation of that trust, etc., etc.

The Incredibles isn't a story about superheroes; it's a story about a family... that also happens to have powers. That's the Fantastic Four. They aren't just heroes, they aren't just scientists. They're brothers and sisters and fathers and daughters and husbands and wives and uncles and mothers... Heck, even Doctor Doom in the comics is the godfather of one of their children. They're a family, first and foremost, and that is the part of them that the Incredibles tapped into so strongly and applied so well.
The problem though is, so far anyway, the films have been terrible at creating a family dynamic (something The Incredibles did with ease and style).

You don't believe they're a family because the tone and script just doesn't convey it well enough. The bickering and interaction feels forced, the behavior unearned.

I agree it should be possible to do, but it's a challenge and the increasing need (it would seem) that superhero films have action and that the characters behave like superheroes would seem to weigh against it.

Mind you it's not just F4 (the issues are just glaring in F4 though) look at the last Captain America film, it was proceeding wonderfully until the tedious big action finale that simply didn't work vs the tone of the rest of the film, including the previous tight, personal action sequences. It was clearly created by committee because a superhero film needs a huge action climax with enormous explosions.

Avengers films already feel cliche and locked in with their cookie cutter big finale with vaguely robotic hordes and a ticking clock to be beat.

Honestly despite their popularity in execution super hero films feel like they're painting themselves into a corner. They need to trust having an ending like Iron Giant, or a small scale personal ending like The Dark Knight if they want to remain fresh and interesting and not devolve into cookie cutter action finales that all feel like the same sequence with different costumes on the participants.
 

Toa TAK

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Looking back, the 2005 movie had some great scenes. This one in particular is so simple yet so good.

"You think you got problems, take a good look pal."
I should watch these movies again someday. Considering I haven't seen them since they released in theaters.
I agree with him, Avengers made me feel excited just seeing the character talk to one another; but somehow MoS made even the most overly-detailed city destruction and fight scenes seem so boring and tone-deaf.

I really don't think the fight scenes were boring in any way, shape, or form, but if that's how you feel...
 

DonasaurusRex

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X1 was the farthest thing from trash. Perspective please, this was the beginning of a new wave of super hero movies. To say it's trash and elevate The Wolverine right after boggles the mind

how the hell is smedium good elevation?

Blade, Unbreakable, Spiderman, Batman Begins, Battle Royale were all better than X1 which is smack dab in the middle of those films
 

Dysun

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how the hell is smedium good elevation?

Blade, Unbreakable, Spiderman, Batman Begins, Battle Royale were all better than X1 which is smack dab in the middle of those films

You're elevating it in the same post you call X1 trash. By measuring it to its contemporaries as youre doing now The Wolverine is trash, it brought nothing new to the table and was quickly forgotten. Before X-Men 1 the big and flashy super hero movies had completely bombed out with Batman & Robin. We live in a glorious time in part due to the success (and quality) of X-Men 1 and Spider-Man 1
 

WillyFive

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I really don't think the fight scenes were boring in any way, shape, or form, but if that's how you feel...

I thought they would have been interesting on paper; but the CG animations really made it seem like a videogame cutscene rather than something that fit with the live action stuff sandwiching it. Not only that, you add the really poor plot introduced beforehand and the total lack of interesting characters involved; I was wondering why the fight scene was taking so long to get finished instead. Especially because after that fight scene there's a whole bunch more following it, including one where Superman fights robot claws coming out of a giant spider; it felt like they were just padding it with more fights in the hopes Joe Public will find it more interesting.
 

Sanjuro

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You know, I enjoyed Fantastic Four for longer stretches than I did Man of Steel.

The latter is the better film obviously. Incredibly marred and probably the most interesting to discuss. Hence, why it's brought up more.
 
Just watched it... It basically is a lobotomized version of some movie that could have been very decent. But it is not a Fantastic Four movie.

If we want to play the blame-game, I can understand people blaming Trank for not getting F4. But it is Fox's fuck-up for not recognizing that Trank's version would never get them what they actually wanted.

By most indications, Fox doesn't "get" the F4 either and never actually wanted to make a faithful adaptation. That's part of the problem.
 

DonasaurusRex

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You're elevating it in the same post you call X1 trash. By measuring it to its contemporaries as youre doing now The Wolverine is trash, it brought nothing new to the table and was quickly forgotten. Before X-Men 1 the big and flashy super hero movies had completely bombed out with Batman & Robin. We live in a glorious time in part due to the success (and quality) of X-Men 1 and Spider-Man 1

calling something smedium good is not elevating , it's a different type of trash, just like wearing a smedium shirt isn't wearing a small shirt but it still don't fit, bottom line its derision.

X1 was a lukewarm film with a lukewarm reception, the hit was definitely X2 that turned heads with the xmen. Spiderman is the film that really set things in motion just look at the B.O for the films not like one is heavily influenced by years of inflation or 3d ticket sales to boost the numbers.

Which film do you really think was the reason other comicbook films got the greenlight? Maybe xmen got FF4 made....so theres that and DD ...score.
 
calling something smedium good is not elevating , it's a different type of trash, just like wearing a smedium shirt isn't wearing a small shirt but it still don't fit, bottom line its derision.

X1 was a lukewarm film with a lukewarm reception, the hit was definitely X2 that turned heads with the xmen. Spiderman is the film that really set things in motion just look at the B.O for the films not like one is heavily influenced by years of inflation or 3d ticket sales to boost the numbers.

Which film do you really think was the reason other comicbook films got the greenlight? Maybe xmen got FF4 made....so theres that and DD ...score.

nolan told hugh jackman that X1 was one of his inspirations for batman begins....

you may not like it but it kind of did set a sort of blueprint for a more grounded take on the genre (even if blade came out earlier)
 

Shaanyboi

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X1 was trash, as was X3 and Wolverine Origins...xmen has been a smedium good franchise with DoFP , The Wolverine and First CLass, but for the popularity of the property ...they have under performed.

X1 was far from trash. Low-budget, lacking in specatacle, sure. But for the first time, we had a superhero movie that was a step beyond just being a comic book movie. That had some social relevance, that had a conflict beyond megalomania and campy highjinks. Even Blade just a year earlier easily fell into that trap of "well, it's still a silly comic book movie".
 
Even Blade just a year earlier easily fell into that trap of "well, it's still a silly comic book movie".

Most people didn't even know that Blade was based on a comic, even with the Marvel name popping up in the credits. Blade never fell into that trap. It was first and foremost a Wesley Snipes vehicle. It being a comic movie was secondary to its appeal. Back then, people were showing up to watch Wesley Snipes fuck a bunch of people up. That he was a character from a comic book didn't really factor.

And yeah: X-Men absolutely inspired people at other film studios to try this superhero thing out again. It didn't blow the doors off, and it wasn't super-well made, but it was good enough, and the money was solid enough, that people saw a way to make these adaptations viable in a way they weren't before that film. Plus I'd imagine the behind-the-scenes story of Rothman fucking the film over was well known in the industry, and it still performing like it did gave other studio execs confidence that they could rake in money so long as they didn't hamstring their guy like Rothman did his.
 
Give give Disney all of Marvel rights please, for the sake of the fans!

Fox have never made an incredible super hero movie, i would say X-Men is there best and its not mindblowing, just good.

Fantastic 4 i think should not have any movies or tv series after this, it hasnt worked in any mediums, just let it live in comic book form only

Incredible superhero movies made by Marvel : Capt 2 and arguably Avengers for the novelty; maybe IM1 if it wasn't for the awful third act.

Incredible superhero films made by Fox : X2 and DOFP; maybe First Class.
 
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