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FANT4STIC 4OUR |OT| Fantastic 4/10

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Garlador

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There are territories the movie hasn't opened at, and there's still home video to consider.

Fox isn't going to show their hand until all the cards are on the table. Sure, it's most likely going to continue being an unmitigated disaster, but until every last feasible means of recouping their losses is exhausted, they have to show confidence in it and claim they "believe in the franchise" and plan for sequels we all know are never coming.
 
Since Fox is not basing these movies to source material. They need to fully embrace it
Fantastic 4: psychologically damaged astronauts. Like Event Horizon. Takes places in space
Xmen Morlocks: is like island of dr moreau in sewers.
Wolverine: is like Rambo
 

Zoned

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There are territories the movie hasn't opened at, and there's still home video to consider.

Fox isn't going to show their hand until all the cards are on the table. Sure, it's most likely going to continue being an unmitigated disaster, but until every last feasible means of recouping their losses is exhausted, they have to show confidence in it and claim they "believe in the franchise" and plan for sequels we all know are never coming.

If the rating was 50-60% then there wouldn't be any problem, but 9% along with online article talking shit about the movie (thanks to the director too) has created a dire situation for the film. I feel like this is the last time we are gonna see F4. The franchise itself is bottom of the barrel at this point.
 

Nairume

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There are territories the movie hasn't opened at, and there's still home video to consider.

Fox isn't going to show their hand until all the cards are on the table. Sure, it's most likely going to continue being an unmitigated disaster, but until every last feasible means of recouping their losses is exhausted, they have to show confidence in it and claim they "believe in the franchise" and plan for sequels we all know are never coming.
That's true, but I don't think it's that unreasonable to go ahead and just write it off at this point.

It could turn things around, but it almost certainly won't.
 

Garlador

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That's true, but I don't think it's that unreasonable to go ahead and just write it off at this point.

It could turn things around, but it almost certainly won't.
Nobody genuinely believes that. But they're still a business, and it makes business sense to recoup as much of their losses as they can. Oh, it's still going to lose tons of money, but at this point it's damage control and cutting their loses where they can.

If the rating was 50-60% then there wouldn't be any problem, but 9% along with online article talking shit about the movie (thanks to the director too) has created a dire situation for the film. I feel like this is the last time we are gonna see F4. The franchise itself is bottom of the barrel at this point.
It is... I mean, it's currently the lowest rated superhero movie of all time. And that is a VERY low bar.

But I think that creates great opportunity for Marvel. I can already imagine the comic con footage of the Avengers approaching Doctor Doom, for instance, or of the Guardians of the Galaxy bumping into the Silver Surfer and Galactus.

The Fantastic Four themselves would need rehabilitation, but their universe is still ripe for the MCU.
 

Neoxon

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If the rating was 50-60% then there wouldn't be any problem, but 9% along with online article talking shit about the movie (thanks to the director too) has created a dire situation for the film. I feel like this is the last time we are gonna see F4. The franchise itself is bottom of the barrel at this point.
I still think Marvel can save the F4, but they'll have to wait a few years.
 
I still think Marvel can save the F4, but they'll have to wait a few years.

A potential Phase 4 movie puts them in 2020 or beyond. They could always seed associate characters into earlier movies, but the Four themselves probably wouldn't make an introduction until after Infinity War anyway.
 
A potential Phase 4 movie puts them in 2020 or beyond. They could always seed associate characters into earlier movies, but the Four themselves probably wouldn't make an introduction until after Infinity War anyway.

This is what I'm hoping for. I mean how perfect would Phase 4 with the Fantastic 4 be?
 

RangerX

Banned
I just came back from it. Its not 9% level, its miles better than thrash like Green Lantern. Still, the film is exceedingly boring. Fuck all actually happens until the end apart from one sequence. Anyone who was worried about Doom be warned, its much much worse than you can possibly imagine.He looks truly awful,his motivations are strange and he basically shares name only with the comic incarnation. I like all the main actors just fine though. I was surprised to like Teller as Reed. The thing should have been used much more though.
 
I just came back from it. Its not 9% level, its miles better than thrash like Green Lantern. Still, the film is exceedingly boring. Fuck all actually happens until the end apart from one sequence. Anyone who was worried about Doom be warned, its much much worse than you can possibly imagine.He looks truly awful,his motivations are strange and he basically shares name only with the comic incarnation. I like all the main actors just fine though. I was surprised to like Teller as Reed. The thing should have been used much more though.
Doom was basically a powered ELF dude..it's horrible. Green Lantern sucked, but more happens in that shitshow. Certainly more than 15 minutes of "action" fourstick did, and you know I'm being generous. Certainly will be just as forgettable..
 
Ryan Reynolds was a better Green Lantern than anyone in this movie that was casted.
And that's saying something..
Ryan Reynolds isn't good at anything.
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You're just a big meanie..lol.
 
A potential Phase 4 movie puts them in 2020 or beyond. They could always seed associate characters into earlier movies, but the Four themselves probably wouldn't make an introduction until after Infinity War anyway.

The trick is going to be explaining their absence in Infinity War without going into another origin story. Two year ISS mission, I guess, or they get their powers as an indirect result of something Thanos does.
 

Patryn

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Only now realized this thing is apparently not great. What went wrong exactly?

Start with a director who was seemingly uninterested in making a Fantastic Four film to the point of telling his cast that reading the comics would do more harm than good, and instead wanted to make something closer to a spiritual sequel to his only major film, Chronicle.

Add in a studio that supposedly took issue with the director's desire to make it more a sci-fi horror film as opposed to a comic book flick, leading to conflict between the two.

Then you have the director supposedly having either a meltdown or a breakdown due to the stress of both the studio interfering and the growing amount of bad press surrounding the flick.

Throw in extensive reshoots by the studio, and you end up with a frankenstein of the film.

Basically, the director's side is that the studio decided to push around a young director, made major changes to the script just before shooting began (the figure going around is that Fox cut 3 major action sequences), and then got scared at the tone of the film and attempted to create something more mainstream.

Fox's side is that Trank delivered early cuts of a film that was so poorly received that they considered scrapping the entire thing. They did what the could to salvage something, and we ended up with the current film.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
 

Tansut

Member
So I saw this yesterday. There is so much wrong with this movie that I genuinely struggle to think of any redeeming quality for it. Like I'm really not exaggerating, there's nothing good. I'm not a big Fantastic Four fan or anything but even I got offended every time they would awkwardly reference it in the most mangled way.

It was like watching a terribad 90's comic book movie that's ashamed of what it's supposed to be about.
 
So I saw this yesterday. There is so much wrong with this movie that I genuinely struggle to think of any redeeming quality for it. Like I'm really not exaggerating, there's nothing good. I'm not a big Fantastic Four fan or anything but even I got offended every time they would awkwardly reference it in the most mangled way.

It was like watching a terribad 90's comic book movie that's ashamed of what it's supposed to be about.

That"s what it made me think of. I was struggling to find the words.
 
There are territories the movie hasn't opened at, and there's still home video to consider.

Fox isn't going to show their hand until all the cards are on the table. Sure, it's most likely going to continue being an unmitigated disaster, but until every last feasible means of recouping their losses is exhausted, they have to show confidence in it and claim they "believe in the franchise" and plan for sequels we all know are never coming.

I was under the impression that even huge movies don't REALLY make that much money on home video sales. This movie is done, no way around it. No other profit channel is going to prop it up
 

G-Fex

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Lots of people would care. Keep these toxic characters away from the Avengers.

Toxic? I thought they got their powers from space dust.


I think there's a good amount of people who need to be in the Avengers. That fans want. Blank Man, The Mask, Steel, maybe that one Spawn guy if Marvel can get him.
 
yeah the whole point is they don't care about their hypocrisy , and magneto of all would know this, before hatching a plan that could be thwarted by a call to the authorities and an evacuation. Oh my God....really, the whole reason he's fighting is they are hypocritical. He's based his whole reasoning on the nature of the person , mutant shouldn't be under the authority of humans, and yet after changing the world leaders to mutants , suddenly they aren't going to be replaced? Since they aren't human but mutant. He can't have both , he's just adding to the mutant population not changing the human one.
Again you missed the point the scenario is win-win for Magneto if he mutates the leaders. If the world leaders are deposed it exposes human hypocrisy at the global level and act as rallying point for all mutants to fight back. If the leaders aren't deposed, mutants now have a very potent political figures in their corner to defend them politically. Of course the audience knows mutation process is flawed when the Senator dies. So all the world leaders will be killed and the mutation act will be seen as an act of Terrorism and will further push humanity into the oppression of Mutants. This is the same reason they just don't call the FBI. Humans catching Magneto in an act of terrorism would be just as bad is he succeeded.
 
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